Puppy deposit question

[Cliftonite]

If you are being treated like this before you buy, just imagine how you will be treated if you contact him after purchase with a query / problem, etc?

The bad vibes are spilling my coffee.

Don't walk away. R U N ! ! !

[AdiT]

I'd walk away and find a different breeder.

I can understand the breeder using their extensive experience to influence your decision of which pup being useful... "If you want a quiet, calm dog I wouldn't have that one" sort of thing.
Thay want you to effectivly agree to having a pup, of their choosing, unseen or loose your money... Sounds like a case of "I know better than you so you'll have what you're given (or I'll make some extra cash) and I'll keep the best for myself."

[SpydieNut]

Mario149 said:

Okay, here's the pertinent part of the email chain, caps are my words to protect privacy etc.

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Hi BREEDER,

Thanks for all the info!

DATE works for us, can we book in to come then please?

Best,

MARIO149

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Hi MARIO149,

I will need a deposit to secure like everyone else did please.

DATE is fine but cannot spend any more time than up to Midday because I have feed AND CLEAN OTHER DOGS ETC.

OTHER UNRELATED STUFF

I will need your address and phone details for the file and to send the deposit receipt out.

Thanks

BREEDER

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Hi BREEDER,

A deposit should not be a problem. This is our first puppy purchase so apologies if this is a obvious question: I understand from your website that the deposit is non-refundable, so presumably the deposit is payable once we have come to see the puppy (and mother) and are happy? e.g. we would bring a cash deposit with us when viewing or arrange a bank transfer shortly after etc at which point you would confirm the puppy is reserved for us?

Thanks,

MARIO149

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Everyone pays the deposit before viewing as secures the pup usually. I do not want to be wasting my time for over 2 hours if you or anyone is not 100%. I do not choose the pups til 7 weeks old because I know them individually etc and the puppy test the Assessors do backs up what I know about each puppy and they do a sheet for each puppy which a copy of goes in the puppy pack. I then send photos of the pups out to the owners. In all my years I have *never* allowed anyone to choose because you just see a cute puppy you do not see who it is in the litter, dominant, submissive etc.

You can bring the cash deposit with you.

BREEDER

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Thoughts? Deposit is payable prior to seeing them from my understanding of it, which I don't like. To me the breeder seems legitimately concerned for puppies' welfare and sending them to a good home. But it also seems that you don't get to choose a specific pup (beyond gender) which to be honest I'm not massively fussed about so long as I can see all the pups together and can see that they're all happy etc. But it still seems weird to me....

just WOW

FFS - run away! sounds like a complete nightmare.

[Jasandjules]

Any breeder who says they do not wish to waste two hours on you is not a breeder to purchase from.

We spend many weekends having people who are only interested in our breed visit us to see if the breed is for them, and they are for the breed. This is when we have no puppies for sale.

[rob0r]

Paying any deposit before viewing is mental. Wow

[mickk]

Mario, is it possible you could pm me the original advert please?

As already said run away I've had Rotts for years you do not want problems with the breeder.

Google one of the many Rottweiler breed clubs and get advice from them.

[Mario149]

Thanks for everyone's input. I've emailed the breeder to politely explain that under those conditions we're unfortunately not interested. Bizarre, I keep thinking it's all some massive misreading of the emails, but given that all you lot have sanity checked them, I guess it can't be really!

[gpo746]

I wonder though how many people have stumped up the dosh as the seller wants ?

[Mario149]

There are 10 in the litter and from what I can gather only maybe a couple or 3 left? So quite a few it would seem.

[medieval]

Jasandjules said:

Any breeder who says they do not wish to waste two hours on you is not a breeder to purchase from.

We spend many weekends having people who are only interested in our breed visit us to see if the breed is for them, and they are for the breed. This is when we have no puppies for sale.

Absolutely this ...any genuine breeder will want you to be totally comfortable with your choice before engaging in discussion over the purchase itself


This is a volume producer by the sound more interests in units sold than the future welfare of the puppies I would suggest

Not one to pursue.....

[rosie11]

Step away from the puppy..........
End of.

[otolith]

Totally unacceptable.

[Mario149]

For your education and edification, starting with my polite "thanks but no thanks"....

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Hi BREEDER,

Thanks for the clarification. Just to confirm that I have understood correctly:

1) the non-refundable deposit is payable before viewing the pups/mum
2) there is no "choosing" as such of a particular puppy, we would just be allocated one boy from the litter

If my understanding of those points is correct, unfortunately we'll have to cancel our visit and look elsewhere. I fully understand that you have the best interests of the pups to look out for, but unfortunately we were hoping to be able to make the final choice of which pup we will have ourselves. We are also not able to commit to paying a non-refundable deposit before even seeing the pups and particularly if we are not exactly certain of which one we would receive.

Thank you for taking the time to speak to me earlier and also for providing so much information in your emails, it was very helpful.

Best regards,

MARIO149

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MARIO149,

In over A LOT OF years now this is always how I and many other reputable breeders do things with our pups and we always choose the pups for the new homes because we know them individually. There are only NUMBER males AND ALL BAR ONE others have reserved before you, the SMALLER NUMBER show potential males are chosen first before the pet males. When I collected my first Rottie she was chosen for me because back then I did not have the experience and as much knowledge to know what I was looking at in the litter. The Assessors will tell you themselves they support breeders like myself choosing the pups for the homes because it cuts down on the amount of Rotties that end up on Welfare and Rescue who are damaged by inexperienced owners and so called trainers who have no clue when it comes to Rotties and some breeds.

You definitely wont find anyone else who does all the health screens like I do and who cares for them like I do etc.

I already said you can bring the cash with you on the first visit for the deposit. They are way too young to choose and we do not choose til they are 7 weeks old when they are PAT tested and evaluated.

Suppose you chose a very dominant puppy, strong willed, high chase and prey drives which I doubt you really know much about, then you started having problems? I have seen this and many other things happen to inexperienced owners especially ones with children who have gone to one off pet home breedings and some breeders that I would never recommend, allowed to choose because the breeder has chosen what they want and don’t care about the others just wants the money, no lifetime support and advice and certainly no help when there are problems etc.

You knew you were the last home when you first contacted me and this litter are lovely, confident and outgoing and no one so far has had any concerns or anything totally happy with them and can’t wait to collect them in early November.

I had two calls yesterday for a male pup and I told them the last male was not available because a couple from London were coming next Monday to see the litter. One of those might well have been a great home!

Regards,

BREEDER

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I actually don't know what to make of this....

[bexVN]

Too defensive and too bullying, back out now. I have a vet nurse friend who is a very very good and thorough breeder and backs up new owners with loads of after care, she does not choose pups for owners, she may advise them if they visit pups and she gets to know the owners etc.

Personally I think the non refundable deposit is too high aswell £150 would seem.fair to me.

There are breeders who do the above but unless you ask them I would not agr to this, they may be great breeders bit I think their attitude is off. Why keep chasing you, if they are so good and popular they need not worry about 'wasting' time with you. My opinion anyway.

[Kateg28]

Did anyone else have problems understanding the breeder's email?

As Bex said, too defensive. I don't actually have a big problem with the breeder choosing the pub but I would expect it to be in consultation with the prospective owner. A good breeder's advice would be invaluable but this is bullying let alone the issue of a non refundable deposit.

[Butter Face]

Kateg28 said:

Did anyone else have problems understanding the breeder's email?

It's written by a condescending nutcase, that's the problem.



Also...

'I had two calls yesterday for a male pup and I told them the last male was not available because a couple from London were coming next Monday to see the litter. One of those might well have been a great home!'

Turning away a buyer when she hasn't got a deposit? Moron

I'd have taken the deposit from them on the provisio they would be contacted if the first person changed their mind.

[waterwonder]

Either a bad case of writing one thing and meaning another or a nutcase.

However if in doubt pull out.

I personally would've written this of a few emails ago.

[gpo746]

Well as I understand it he has turned someone away who hadn't yet paid the deposit in favour of err someone else whohadnt paid the deposit. It's just not the breeders lucky day is it

[AdiT]

"...it cuts down on the amount of Rotties that end up on Welfare and Rescue who are damaged by inexperienced owners and so called trainers who have no clue when it comes to Rotties and some breeds...."

Yet, they're happy to take a deposit and assign a puppy to you without meeting you.
Thats not realy acting in the puppies best interest is it.

[mickk]

bexVN said:

Personally I think the non refundable deposit is too high aswell £150 would seem.fair to me.

I can't understand the reasoning behind these charges even if it was ten pounds it would be too much. Surely as the breeder you'd want the puppy to go to the right home and any costs involved ie your time and such should be a secondary problem.

It's the first time I've heard of these charges, is it common?