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Simpo Two said:
KFC said:
If the cat is causing problems with other peoples cats in their own garden, why not just deal with it? If it was a random dog getting in fights with peoples pets I'd say the same thing - destroy it humanely.
The idea of destroying anything that one deems to be a pest is interesting. I live on a school run...ali_kat said:
You can be jailed and fined up to £5,000 for hunting illegally or up to £20,000 for causing unnecessary suffering to an animal.
KFC keep out of threads about cats please, I respect your work with Dogs and that you dislike cats - everyone has the right to do that
From this warning on - every time you post s
t like this I am going to hit report on the post, because instead of helping you troll constantly giving illegal, nasty, and down right cruel advice
Just because you don't like the post, doesn't make it illegal. You can legally kill cats like this if you want, as long as you do it without causing 'unnecessary suffering'. If someone shoots it with an appropriate caliber gun its not going to suffer, even if some people people don't like the concept of doing it in the first place.KFC keep out of threads about cats please, I respect your work with Dogs and that you dislike cats - everyone has the right to do that
From this warning on - every time you post s
t like this I am going to hit report on the post, because instead of helping you troll constantly giving illegal, nasty, and down right cruel adviceLike it or not there aren't many great solutions to dealing with a truly wild cat, dog or fox like this which don't involve either spending a fortune, or just dumping the problem on someone else.
And again, my dislike of some peoples domestic cats has zero to do with this. In those situations I have absolutely nothing against the cat itself. Its the owners.
No, you cannot.
Feral Cats are the property of the Land Owner of the Land they live on, they must be trapped and disposed of humanely, not just shot.
They have to be checked that they are the feral cat, not a pet or wild cat (both protected).
Now stop trolling cat threads with inhumane advice, you are a very valued member of this forum when it comes to dogs
Feral Cats are the property of the Land Owner of the Land they live on, they must be trapped and disposed of humanely, not just shot.
They have to be checked that they are the feral cat, not a pet or wild cat (both protected).
Now stop trolling cat threads with inhumane advice, you are a very valued member of this forum when it comes to dogs
Edited by ali_kat on Monday 25th May 12:12
popeyewhite said:
Just to remind the OP - you used the word 'terrorised'. Either this is untrue, or you have a different understanding of what the word means. I like cats, but a neighbour's is stalking the birds that feed in my garden and stting in the flowerbeds. This is a 'nuisance'.
Definition of terrorise: "create and maintain a state of extreme fear and distress in (someone); fill with terror."tting in the flowerbeds. This is a 'nuisance'.Ours and neighbours scared to go out .
Cats attacked by "feral" cat
Food stolen
Doves killed
Etc, etc...
This isn't a nuisance. But I could well have a different understanding of the word.
Thanks for the advice though from. Most, of you
ali_kat said:
popeyewhite said:
bexVN said:
I am aware you don't like cats but honestly why post such nonsense. You cannot just go around shooting cats in the UK, something I am sure you are already well aware of!
I think if he's suggesting shooting a feral cat then he's actually not talking nonsense. While shooting a tame cat would, quite rightly, land you in trouble, shooting a feral cat would not as they are classed as vermin.Feral cats may live alone but are usually found in large groups called feral colonies.
If you experience problems with any feral cats, or you are not sure, please contact your local RSPCA shelter, as most pest controllers will not deal with cats.
You can be jailed and fined up to £5,000 for hunting illegally or up to £20,000 for causing unnecessary suffering to an animal.
KFC keep out of threads about cats please, I respect your work with Dogs and that you dislike cats - everyone has the right to do that
From this warning on - every time you post s
t like this I am going to hit report on the post, because instead of helping you troll constantly giving illegal, nasty, and down right cruel adviceOnce again I like cats but feel I must point out that under the Animal Welfare Act (2006) if a cat is it is not owned by anyone, under control of anyone, and living wild, then it is not protected. It may be killed humanely, it may also be carted off by the local RSPCA. However to those who actually are really terrorised by them - as in bins knocked over for food, dirty nappies scattered over the drive, hot summer days when ferals come into the house looking for food, constant yowling all night, fighting, cat crap on the lawn/patio, coming into the house and spraying, the house cat too scared to venture outside so has to use a litter tray etc etc., they are vermin.
I do not like to see any animal suffer, but in this scenario agree with those who have called in the local pest controller to perform a quick 'removal'. In this case, they are vermin.
Feel free to report me as a troll for being cruel and paraphrasing the Animal Welfare Act (2006).
stuartmmcfc said:
popeyewhite said:
Just to remind the OP - you used the word 'terrorised'. Either this is untrue, or you have a different understanding of what the word means. I like cats, but a neighbour's is stalking the birds that feed in my garden and stting in the flowerbeds. This is a 'nuisance'.
Definition of terrorise: "create and maintain a state of extreme fear and distress in (someone); fill with terror."tting in the flowerbeds. This is a 'nuisance'.Ours and neighbours scared to go out .
Cats attacked by "feral" cat
Food stolen
Doves killed
Etc, etc...
This isn't a nuisance. But I could well have a different understanding of the word.
I am horrified with the number of people on here that seem to think that shooting domestic cats is somehow justifiable and amusing.
You might not like cats but the fact is they are likely to be someone's much loved pet, maybe a pensioner's only friend and companion or a child's therapy cat (they are successfully used for autism, DS etc)
How can you tell a pet from a stray/feral cat? After all this cat could just be a bloody minded, unneutered, battle scarred much loved, chipped, Tom from 2 streets over!
Not every cat will keep a collar on - mine can get them off it in 10 mins. The ones that definately will stay on (without elastic) are very unsafe for cats because it's common for them to hang themselves in trees.
Domestic cats are owned in the eyes of the law, not kept. It's a common misconception but they are private property, just as dogs and livestock are.
Domestic cats are also protected animals under the Animal Welfare Act 2006, which oddly enough, doesn't make any provision for the humane despatch of cats, domestic or otherwise, with firearms.
http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=...
BASC advice is to ask around before doing anything, to ensure the cats are not actually somebodys pets. This is because you could be prosecuted for theft/destruction of private property, unless they really are feral. Once you have made thae effort to do that, they suggest trying to scare them away, next step would be trapping, and only if all of the above fail, should you then even consider shooting them.
You might not like cats but the fact is they are likely to be someone's much loved pet, maybe a pensioner's only friend and companion or a child's therapy cat (they are successfully used for autism, DS etc)
How can you tell a pet from a stray/feral cat? After all this cat could just be a bloody minded, unneutered, battle scarred much loved, chipped, Tom from 2 streets over!
Not every cat will keep a collar on - mine can get them off it in 10 mins. The ones that definately will stay on (without elastic) are very unsafe for cats because it's common for them to hang themselves in trees.
Domestic cats are owned in the eyes of the law, not kept. It's a common misconception but they are private property, just as dogs and livestock are.
Domestic cats are also protected animals under the Animal Welfare Act 2006, which oddly enough, doesn't make any provision for the humane despatch of cats, domestic or otherwise, with firearms.
http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=...
The Animal Welfare Act 2006 said:
The Animal Welfare Act 2006 only applies to vertebrate, non-human animals (e.g. mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and fish).
The categories of animals protected by the Act depend on the offence in question.
Protected animals are those that are:
Feral cats are not a separate breed with different traits they are domestic cats living in the wild. The categories of animals protected by the Act depend on the offence in question.
Protected animals are those that are:
- commonly domesticated in the British Islands (e.g. dogs and cats, including feral cats and stray dogs),
BASC advice is to ask around before doing anything, to ensure the cats are not actually somebodys pets. This is because you could be prosecuted for theft/destruction of private property, unless they really are feral. Once you have made thae effort to do that, they suggest trying to scare them away, next step would be trapping, and only if all of the above fail, should you then even consider shooting them.
Edited by ali_kat on Monday 25th May 14:22
KFC said:
ali_kat said:
You can be jailed and fined up to £5,000 for hunting illegally or up to £20,000 for causing unnecessary suffering to an animal.
KFC keep out of threads about cats please, I respect your work with Dogs and that you dislike cats - everyone has the right to do that
From this warning on - every time you post st like this I am going to hit report on the post, because instead of helping you troll constantly giving illegal, nasty, and down right cruel advice
Just because you don't like the post, doesn't make it illegal. You can legally kill cats like this if you want, as long as you do it without causing 'unnecessary suffering'. If someone shoots it with an appropriate caliber gun its not going to suffer, even if some people people don't like the concept of doing it in the first place.KFC keep out of threads about cats please, I respect your work with Dogs and that you dislike cats - everyone has the right to do that
From this warning on - every time you post s
t like this I am going to hit report on the post, because instead of helping you troll constantly giving illegal, nasty, and down right cruel adviceLike it or not there aren't many great solutions to dealing with a truly wild cat, dog or fox like this which don't involve either spending a fortune, or just dumping the problem on someone else.
And again, my dislike of some peoples domestic cats has zero to do with this. In those situations I have absolutely nothing against the cat itself. Its the owners.
king real, you callous little nerd?ali_kat said:
Feral cats are not a separate breed with different traits they are domestic cats living in the wild.
And, as such, are not protected by law and may be despatched humanely. Not really sure where the confusion lies here:The OP states the cat(s) are feral, if he's wrong you can't remove them, if he's right you can. popeyewhite said:
And, as such, are not protected by law and may be despatched humanely. Not really sure where the confusion lies here:The OP states the cat(s) are feral, if he's wrong you can't remove them, if he's right you can.
Suggest you read the law again, I've even highlighted the bit you need in my post above 
ali_kat said:
popeyewhite said:
And, as such, are not protected by law and may be despatched humanely. Not really sure where the confusion lies here:The OP states the cat(s) are feral, if he's wrong you can't remove them, if he's right you can.
Suggest you read the law again, I've even highlighted the bit you need in my post above Animal Welfare Act 2006
You are here:
2006 c. 45 Introductory Section 2
2 “Protected animal”
An animal is a “protected animal” for the purposes of this Act if—
(a)it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Islands,
(b)it is under the control of man whether on a permanent or temporary basis, or
(c)it is not living in a wild state.
Feral cats are not commonly domesticated AFAIK. You want to split hairs?
KFC said:
HewManHeMan said:
Are you for fking real, you callous little nerd?
Rather than just posting unhelpful insults, feel free to post an alternative solution that doesn't involve wasting a load of someone else's money, or shuffling the problem onto someone else.king real, you callous little nerd?bexVN said:
I am fairly certain the cpl would rather be bothered by a feral cat than find out someone decided to shoot the cat. They can always say no if they don't want to help.
So the CPL come and take it away... what do you want them to do with it? Other than burn through £500 of other peoples money, before putting it down anyway.popeyewhite said:
Animal Welfare Act 2006
You are here:
2006 c. 45 Introductory Section 2
2 “Protected animal”
An animal is a “protected animal” for the purposes of this Act if—
(a)it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Islands,
(b)it is under the control of man whether on a permanent or temporary basis, or
(c)it is not living in a wild state.
Feral cats are not commonly domesticated AFAIK. You want to split hairs?
Love the way you've cut the bit out about feral cats & stray dogs I've linked to & quoted You are here:
2006 c. 45 Introductory Section 2
2 “Protected animal”
An animal is a “protected animal” for the purposes of this Act if—
(a)it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Islands,
(b)it is under the control of man whether on a permanent or temporary basis, or
(c)it is not living in a wild state.
Feral cats are not commonly domesticated AFAIK. You want to split hairs?
KFC said:
Rather than just posting unhelpful insults, feel free to post an alternative solution that doesn't involve wasting a load of someone else's money, or shuffling the problem onto someone else.
I agree he shouldn't be posting unhelpful insults, but at least he's not suggesting illegal acts!KFC said:
So the CPL come and take it away... what do you want them to do with it? Other than burn through £500 of other peoples money, before putting it down anyway.
Tell you what, next time you ask for someone to help rescue a stray dog, why don't we all suggest you just shoot it to save anyone the cost of taming & rehoming it?Edited by ali_kat on Monday 25th May 17:11
ali_kat said:
I agree he shouldn't be posting unhelpful insults, but at least he's not suggesting illegal acts!
A feral cat isn't a domestic cat. There is nothing wrong with killing one, from a purely legal point of view. Whether you agree morally is neither here or there... that'll be for the person affected by it to decide.KFC said:
HewManHeMan said:
Are you for fking real, you callous little nerd?
Rather than just posting unhelpful insults, feel free to post an alternative solution that doesn't involve wasting a load of someone else's money, or shuffling the problem onto someone else.king real, you callous little nerd?So we are all aware of that now, and you have made your view clear, and it doesn't need to be repeated.
popeyewhite said:
Animal Welfare Act 2006
You are here:
2006 c. 45 Introductory Section 2
2 “Protected animal”
An animal is a “protected animal” for the purposes of this Act if—
(a)it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Islands,
(b)it is under the control of man whether on a permanent or temporary basis, or
(c)it is not living in a wild state.
Feral cats are not commonly domesticated AFAIK. You want to split hairs?
Same species, just living differently by accident or design.You are here:
2006 c. 45 Introductory Section 2
2 “Protected animal”
An animal is a “protected animal” for the purposes of this Act if—
(a)it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Islands,
(b)it is under the control of man whether on a permanent or temporary basis, or
(c)it is not living in a wild state.
Feral cats are not commonly domesticated AFAIK. You want to split hairs?
Of course - just before you reach for the gun cupboard - you also then have the problem of despatching a cat you deem to be 'feral', only for its owners to come round knocking asking if you have seen their cat that's been missing for a week. 'Oh sorry, I shot Tiddles, hope you don't mind'. You can join KFC going round the missing cat posters on lamposts and tick them off...
KFC said:
A feral cat isn't a domestic cat. There is nothing wrong with killing one, from a purely legal point of view. Whether you agree morally is neither here or there... that'll be for the person affected by it to decide.
When will yiu accept the fact that you are wrong?http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=...
The Animal Welfare Act 2006 said:
The Animal Welfare Act 2006 only applies to vertebrate, non-human animals (e.g. mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and fish).
The categories of animals protected by the Act depend on the offence in question.
Protected animals are those that are:
The categories of animals protected by the Act depend on the offence in question.
Protected animals are those that are:
- commonly domesticated in the British Islands (e.g. dogs and cats, including feral cats and stray dogs),
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