Ferel cat

[KFC]

ali_kat said:

Tell you what, next time you ask for someone to help rescue a stray dog, why don't we all suggest you just shoot it to save anyone the cost of taming & rehoming it?

Edited by ali_kat on Monday 25th May 17:11

Apples and oranges None of the dogs I'm rescuing are causing inconvenience or problems for anyone else. Or if they are I'm putting them into foster care to remove that issue first. Plus I'm spending my own money, I'm not asking to waste anyone else's, either directly or indirectly via asking the CPL to clean it up for me.


I've still not seen a single suitable solution being put forward other than "waaah, waaaah, you can't kill a cat!!!"

I get that it can be upsetting to have to kill problem animals, whether they're cats, dogs or elephants. But back in the real world there aren't enough time, money or resources to deal with these things how you'd like to.

If anyone has a suitable solution to deal with the OP's problem cat, by all means post it.

[bexVN]

KFC said:

bexVN said:

I am fairly certain the cpl would rather be bothered by a feral cat than find out someone decided to shoot the cat. They can always say no if they don't want to help.

So the CPL come and take it away... what do you want them to do with it? Other than burn through £500 of other peoples money, before putting it down anyway.

Feral cats can provide a useful service in the right setting and often these cats are not actually as feral as it would first appear. cpl can assess their potential. With that attitude charities wouldn't exist as technically they are all burning through someone's money and not always with a guaranteed outcome.

[stuartmmcfc]

I think I've already been pointed in the right direction.
I've contacted the CPL and asked their advice of what to do.

[popeyewhite]

ali_kat said:

popeyewhite said:

Animal Welfare Act 2006
You are here:
2006 c. 45 Introductory Section 2

2 “Protected animal”

An animal is a “protected animal” for the purposes of this Act if—
(a)it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Islands,
(b)it is under the control of man whether on a permanent or temporary basis, or
(c)it is not living in a wild state.

Feral cats are not commonly domesticated AFAIK. You want to split hairs?

Love the way you've cut the bit out about feral cats & stray dogs I've linked to & quoted

ali_kat said:

popeyewhite said:

Animal Welfare Act 2006
You are here:
2006 c. 45 Introductory Section 2

2 “Protected animal”

An animal is a “protected animal” for the purposes of this Act if—
(a)it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Islands,
(b)it is under the control of man whether on a permanent or temporary basis, or
(c)it is not living in a wild state.

Feral cats are not commonly domesticated AFAIK. You want to split hairs?

Love the way you've cut the bit out about feral cats & stray dogs I've linked to & quoted

I quoted from the Act - you quoted from an RSPCA adaptation of it. Sloppy and, I'm afraid, not the same thing at all.

[ali_kat]

popeyewhite said:

I quoted from the Act - you quoted from an RSPCA adaptation of it. Sloppy and, I'm afraid, not the same thing at all.

I suppose you'll be telling me that the bit about ownership of animals under 16 is wrong too, because it gives examples for clarification?

Or invertebrate?

Or under the control of man?

Or the causes of unnecessary suffering?

I've not been sloppy in the slightest, I looked for & found, clear rules, that not even the most dense of readers could misconstrue what the Act is to cover.

Unfortunately, it seems you still get one or two that are determined to cause animals pain & suffering, I'm shamed to find them posting here

[bexVN]

stuartmmcfc said:

I think I've already been pointed in the right direction.
I've contacted the CPL and asked their advice of what to do.

[ali_kat]

stuartmmcfc said:

I think I've already been pointed in the right direction.
I've contacted the CPL and asked their advice of what to do.

Might be worth contacting smaller local charities too

[popeyewhite]

ali_kat said:

popeyewhite said:

I quoted from the Act - you quoted from an RSPCA adaptation of it. Sloppy and, I'm afraid, not the same thing at all.

I suppose you'll be telling me that the bit about ownership of animals under 16 is wrong too, because it gives examples for clarification?

Or invertebrate?

Or under the control of man?

Or the causes of unnecessary suffering?

I've not been sloppy in the slightest, I looked for & found, clear rules, that not even the most dense of readers could misconstrue what the Act is to cover.

Unfortunately, it seems you still get one or two that are determined to cause animals pain & suffering, I'm shamed to find them posting here

Is that how you interpreted those posts that disagreed with you? I've seen no posts from anyone "determined to cause animals pain and suffering". It's also not really polite to level baseless accusations like that at people. I appreciate you're an animal lover but others who are slightly more pragmatic than yourself regarding the matter under discussion probably love animals just as much as you.

[ali_kat]

popeyewhite said:

Is that how you interpreted those posts that disagreed with you? I've seen no posts from anyone "determined to cause animals pain and suffering". It's also not really polite to level baseless accusations like that at people. I appreciate you're an animal lover but others who are slightly more pragmatic than yourself regarding the matter under discussion probably love animals just as much as you.

No, it's how I interpret posts advocating the shooting of cats, the hunting of animals, the capture of cats in a garden & releasing them miles away from home & leave poison out to discourage them in gardens - all of which have been suggested in this forum.

Cats, in any way shape or form are not classed as vermin in the UK, not even the Scottish Wild Cats, in fact they are deemed a useful source to keep control of vermin in cities.

Here's my local pest controllers page http://www.searchukpestcontrol.co.uk/feral-cats.ht...

Note from that page - A feral cat is not a different breed of cat, merely a domestic cat which has become "wild" and now fends for itself.

[popeyewhite]

ali_kat said:

No, it's how I interpret posts advocating the shooting of cats, the hunting of animals, the capture of cats in a garden & releasing them miles away from home & leave poison out to discourage them in gardens - all of which have been suggested in this forum.

Cats, in any way shape or form are not classed as vermin in the UK, not even the Scottish Wild Cats, in fact they are deemed a useful source to keep control of vermin in cities.

Here's my local pest controllers page http://www.searchukpestcontrol.co.uk/feral-cats.ht...

Note from that page - A feral cat is not a different breed of cat, merely a domestic cat which has become "wild" and now fends for itself.

Try and be a little less emotional, you might argue more logically and not resort to making things up, quoting some local pest controller and repeating yourself. .

[ali_kat]

popeyewhite said:

Try and be a little less emotional, you might argue more logically and not resort to making things up, quoting some local pest controller and repeating yourself. .

I've not made anything up

The only things I've repeated are to back up what I've said; ie the truth.

You may not like hearing it, but you are wrong in your statements that feral cats are vermin (they aren't, even pest controllers say that) or that it is legal to shoot them (it's not, the Welfare Act says that).

http://www.cats.org.uk/trurodistrict/feral-cats-pa...

Not sure what is wrong with me using a local Pest Control, but how about this from a National Pest Control - Who use the Code of Practice for the Disposal of Feral Cats as stipulated by the BPCA?

http://www.pestsolutions.co.uk/pest-library/wildli...

[popeyewhite]

ali_kat said:

...or that it is legal to shoot them (it's not, the Welfare Act says that).

No it doesn't, stop making things up. Again.

[ali_kat]

popeyewhite said:

No it doesn't, stop making things up. Again.

I haven't made anything up.

I looked for clarification on exactly what the Act means & found it.

I suppose the other clarifications are wrong too?

Oh, I've already asked that & you ignored it... Funny how you do that when I'm right

Bored of proving you & KFC wrong now.

[GWC]

Whilst I do not agree that shooting the cat would be the best solution in this instance, the fact is that feral cats can be controlled by shooting.

http://basc.org.uk/game-and-gamekeeping/quarry-spe...

Mammalian pest species
The following mammals can be controlled by legally-approved methods all year in England, Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland
Brown rat Feral cat Fox Grey squirrel Mice *
Mink Rabbit Stoat Weasel (not Northern Ireland)

Edited by GWC on Monday 25th May 21:13

[ali_kat]

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Which is not what is being advocated by those arguing to shoot the cat

[KFC]

ali_kat said:

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Which is not what is being advocated by those arguing to shoot the cat

From your own link :

Domestic and feral cats are one and the same animal - Felis catus. Feral cats are persistent killers of nesting birds. If it can be shown that they have bred or are living in the wild they may be humanely dispatched. Operatives must make maximum effort to identify any ownership of a cat causing damage before attempting to catch or kill it.


If it doesn't have an owner, then its living in the wild. And can legally be 'humanely dispatched'. You not liking that fact, isn't going to change it

[popeyewhite]

ali_kat said:

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Which is not what is being advocated by those arguing to shoot the cat

Oh, honestly.

[ali_kat]

KFC said:

.... just get someone to shoot it.

[popeyewhite]

And?

What are you insinuating now? That the quote above means the poster wanted the cat to suffer? Or he was going to get a mate to do it?

[ali_kat]

BASC said:

Domestic and feral cats are one and the same animal - Felis catus. Feral cats are persistent killers of nesting birds. If it can be shown that they have bred or are living in the wild they may be humanely dispatched. Operatives must make maximum effort to identify any ownership of a cat causing damage before attempting to catch or kill it.

I'm "insinuating'" that he doesn't give a fk about finding out whether or not the cat is a feral, a stray, or the Tom from 2 streets away, which the OP doesn't actually know himself

stuartmmcfc said:

seems to be living in the orchard

KFC said:

.... just get someone to shoot it.

This could just be a lost pet, suggesting shooting it with no investigation, then saying it's not worth CPLs time/money to find out is morally & legally, wrong.