Followed and screamed at by a Fox!
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toohangry said:
stuff
Your attitude towards me upset me, as you made it personal by stropping at me for giving advice & not Bex.I'm sorry your pissing in the garden didn't work. It does normally. Maybe it needs to be from someone that isn't fully hydrated? I dunno (just brain storming now, not trying to help)
I didn't call you an a
hole. I said I was fed up of them yesterday. I'm sorry if you read it was implied. Trust me, if I'd have called you an ahole, it would have been very obvious. I'm not at all subtle (you may have noticed 
) 
I didn't want an argument, I saw red at your initial posts
but dropped it; then corrected you where you made incorrect statements; tried to help and you accused me of being intolerant, of course I was going to respond, just like I am now! You came on to a nice thread & ranted, you then admit you were wrong to do that. If you didn't want to take it further you should have put the thread on ignore & not come back.
sumo69 said:
Back on topic.
We had our evening walk earlier last night - only saw her for a minute halfway around the walk as she seemed to be focused on more important matters (going through a food bag left out judging by the mess!)
Will update again if anything more significant tonight.
David
Well, at least she's eating We had our evening walk earlier last night - only saw her for a minute halfway around the walk as she seemed to be focused on more important matters (going through a food bag left out judging by the mess!)
Will update again if anything more significant tonight.
David
I wish I'd never replied to you in the first place now - you just don't stop! However I cannot leave this thread with your unfounded accusations un-countered so here is my final reply.
As for 'you vs bex' I have no idea what you mean and I think it's grossly misleading to say that. As a reminder, here's Bex's advice:
The end.
Bye!
ali_kat said:
Your attitude towards me upset me, as you made it personal by stropping at me for giving advice & not Bex.
At no point did I strop, I simply told you in un-minced words that your advice wasn't asked for or relevant to me. Sorry if that upset you. As for 'you vs bex' I have no idea what you mean and I think it's grossly misleading to say that. As a reminder, here's Bex's advice:
bexVN said:
Gravel boards in soil under fencing can help
and here's yours: ali_kat said:
How can you be an animal lover with an attitude like that? Just because it doesn't suit you to have it there, doesn't mean it doesn't have a perfecly natural right to be there!
Just to educate you.
Foxes are not, and never have been, categorised as such by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA).
In fact, Scientific research has shown the fox's reputation as an agricultural pest to be undeserved; they very rarely kill lambs, despite many a tale to the contrary. They will occasionally take hens or domestic ducks from a farmyard, but such losses can be largely avoided by securing the birds safely at night.
In urban areas foxes pose few problems other than being an occasional nuisance; in fact it could be argued that they perform a useful scavenging role by clearing up discarded take-aways at night, as well as keeping mice and rat numbers under control.
As with pet dogs, foxes can carry Toxocara canis, parastic roundworm which can be passed to humans. However infection is extremely rare and only affects around two people per million in the UK each year. All known infections have been transmitted from dogs, and in fact there is no recorded instance of foxes spreading any disease to humans, so basic hygiene precautions should be followed.
Rabies is currently unknown in British foxes (indeed the UK at all).
I'd be very careful with your threats towards them...
•Killing and controlling foxes is restricted under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981
•There is no poisonous substance authorised for use on foxes.
•The Wild Mammals (Protection) Act 1996 makes it an offence to intentionally inflict unnecessary suffering on any wild mammal
Just to educate you.
Foxes are not, and never have been, categorised as such by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA).
In fact, Scientific research has shown the fox's reputation as an agricultural pest to be undeserved; they very rarely kill lambs, despite many a tale to the contrary. They will occasionally take hens or domestic ducks from a farmyard, but such losses can be largely avoided by securing the birds safely at night.
In urban areas foxes pose few problems other than being an occasional nuisance; in fact it could be argued that they perform a useful scavenging role by clearing up discarded take-aways at night, as well as keeping mice and rat numbers under control.
As with pet dogs, foxes can carry Toxocara canis, parastic roundworm which can be passed to humans. However infection is extremely rare and only affects around two people per million in the UK each year. All known infections have been transmitted from dogs, and in fact there is no recorded instance of foxes spreading any disease to humans, so basic hygiene precautions should be followed.
Rabies is currently unknown in British foxes (indeed the UK at all).
I'd be very careful with your threats towards them...
•Killing and controlling foxes is restricted under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981
•There is no poisonous substance authorised for use on foxes.
•The Wild Mammals (Protection) Act 1996 makes it an offence to intentionally inflict unnecessary suffering on any wild mammal
ali_kat said:
You mean the one that's proved you wrong & could help advise you on that?
As I've said in my detailed post above, there are no cases of Foxes passing disease to humans.
Your kids are safe
Stop panicking, you sound like a Daily Mail reader and from other posts of yours I've seen, I doubt very much that you are
Now for the help (I am nice you see )
You have a few options, befriend it, protect the chickens from all predators (it’s not just foxes!) and get rid.
If you feed the Fox some dog wormer every month & leave a bowl of dog food out for it daily, your Dog is less likely to pick anything up from it, and because you are feeding it, and it knows you are a regular source of food, your chickens will be safer as well *
There are fox proof runs out there, but they are expensive! You can however just put a simple electric fence for livestock up around them (that won't hurt you, the kids or the dog!). A fox can bite through chicken wire and netting, weldmesh of 19g or stronger (the lower the number the stronger it is) is best. Spray off all grass and other vegetation for about 6" from the fence line. Any grass that touches the electric fence will short it out. Staple outriggers to the posts supporting the chicken wire and then attach the electric fence cord to them. Do the same to the top of the fence if the run is not fully enclosed.
They can dig their way in (Stoats & Weasels absolutely will & can wreak more havoc than a Fox!), so bury some chicken wire below the surface so that there is some on the inside and most on the outside. Securely attach the wall fencing to the buried wire. Keep the area around the electric fence totally clear of vegetation so it never shorts.
Once a week, pee into a bottle (must be yours as a male), then sprinkle that around the whole garden permiter, just like you were marking territory (you may need a large bottle ), they don't like it & will get the message & go away. Dog pee should do this, but rarely does nowadays. Man pee however, does
*Please note I said safer, not safe... A hungry fox is a desperate one.
Maybe you can see a difference. As I've said in my detailed post above, there are no cases of Foxes passing disease to humans.
Your kids are safe
Stop panicking, you sound like a Daily Mail reader and from other posts of yours I've seen, I doubt very much that you are Now for the help (I am nice you see
)You have a few options, befriend it, protect the chickens from all predators (it’s not just foxes!) and get rid.
If you feed the Fox some dog wormer every month & leave a bowl of dog food out for it daily, your Dog is less likely to pick anything up from it, and because you are feeding it, and it knows you are a regular source of food, your chickens will be safer as well *
There are fox proof runs out there, but they are expensive! You can however just put a simple electric fence for livestock up around them (that won't hurt you, the kids or the dog!). A fox can bite through chicken wire and netting, weldmesh of 19g or stronger (the lower the number the stronger it is) is best. Spray off all grass and other vegetation for about 6" from the fence line. Any grass that touches the electric fence will short it out. Staple outriggers to the posts supporting the chicken wire and then attach the electric fence cord to them. Do the same to the top of the fence if the run is not fully enclosed.
They can dig their way in (Stoats & Weasels absolutely will & can wreak more havoc than a Fox!), so bury some chicken wire below the surface so that there is some on the inside and most on the outside. Securely attach the wall fencing to the buried wire. Keep the area around the electric fence totally clear of vegetation so it never shorts.
Once a week, pee into a bottle (must be yours as a male), then sprinkle that around the whole garden permiter, just like you were marking territory (you may need a large bottle
), they don't like it & will get the message & go away. Dog pee should do this, but rarely does nowadays. Man pee however, does *Please note I said safer, not safe... A hungry fox is a desperate one.
Edited by ali_kat on Wednesday 1st July 16:55
The end.
Bye!
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-...
Aggressive foxy story.
Reads more like a farce though.
Aggressive foxy story.
Reads more like a farce though.
toohangry said:
At no point did I strop, I simply told you in un-minced words that your advice wasn't asked for or relevant to me. Sorry if that upset you.
As for 'you vs bex' I have no idea what you mean and I think it's grossly misleading to say that.
Maybe you can see a difference.
The difference is that both of us gave advice unsolicited. But you were insolent to me for doing so, and didn’t even have the courtesy to acknowledge Bex.
That’s rude, discourteous and bad-manners to both, just because you cannot accept that I disagreed with you and actually know what I’m talking about.
BTW – that quote you did of my advice, the one asking how you could claim to be an animal lover … It wasn’t advice, it was educating you on the facts you’d got wrong.
toohangry said:
However I cannot leave this thread with your unfounded accusations un-countered so here is my final reply.
Unfounded? I’m not the one that is talking bks about something I know nothing about I really hope that is your final words because you really do NOT belong on this thread, so maybe you’ll think twice about making stupid comments on threads from now on then. Because you obviously intensly dislike women proving that you are wrong in what you state
toohangry said:
The end.
Bye!
Now then, will your ego let you keep quiet? Or will it insist on you continuing to be an “insufferable bore” (to quote one of the messages I’ve had) and make a fool of yourself again?Bye!
Bizarre thread. Foxes simply are a nuisance - why are people not allowed to think that?? You obviously don't come from the country. I love animals but even my dog dislikes foxes I'm afraid. It goes crazy if it sees one. I'm sure some people like them and some don't. No right or wrong.
Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
Disastrous said:
Bizarre thread. Foxes simply are a nuisance - why are people not allowed to think that?? You obviously don't come from the country. I love animals but even my dog dislikes foxes I'm afraid. It goes crazy if it sees one. I'm sure some people like them and some don't. No right or wrong.
Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
Bit of a contra indicating post. People have a right to choose....but 'foxes simply are a nuisance'? (if you had written that you find them a nuisance then fair enough). I don't find the foxes round by us a nuisance at all.Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
Disastrous said:
Bizarre thread. Foxes simply are a nuisance - why are people not allowed to think that?? You obviously don't come from the country. I love animals but even my dog dislikes foxes I'm afraid. It goes crazy if it sees one. I'm sure some people like them and some don't. No right or wrong.
Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
I've not boasted, nor offered to help via PM. I merely referee to the fact that I'd been contacted by someone that referred to him that way.Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I've not said otherwise. In fact, I sympathise with his situation & have tried to help him resolve it without bloodshed.
Why is it some people only think that killing something that they find a nuisance is the answer? Isn't that basically what ISIS do? The rest of the world are nuisance infidels, so kill them... (I'm not comparing anyone to terrorist, just following the logic through). It's also why so many of the worlds animals are endangered or now extinct because humans killed off their habitat & then killed them for daring to try to live along side us.
If that makes me a raving hippy tree hugger - so be it.
bexVN said:
Disastrous said:
Bizarre thread. Foxes simply are a nuisance - why are people not allowed to think that?? You obviously don't come from the country. I love animals but even my dog dislikes foxes I'm afraid. It goes crazy if it sees one. I'm sure some people like them and some don't. No right or wrong.
Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
Bit of a contra indicating post. People have a right to choose....but 'foxes simply are a nuisance'? (if you had written that you find them a nuisance then fair enough). I don't find the foxes round by us a nuisance at all.Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
Of course not everyone dislikes them and not everyone likes them but I think it's fair to call them a nuisance in general terms. i just find it a bit poor form (not for you I should add) that someone gets attacked for disliking them. All my neighbours as a child would regularly shoot foxes to protect their animals. It's a perfectly normal part of country living in my eyes.
ali_kat said:
I've not boasted, nor offered to help via PM. I merely referee to the fact that I'd been contacted by someone that referred to him that way.
Why mention it at all? Literally nobody cares.
Also, I wasn't suggesting you had offered to help anyone via PM. I was saying how bizarre it was of whoever PM'd you in support to have done so, if true.
Disastrous said:
bexVN said:
Disastrous said:
Bizarre thread. Foxes simply are a nuisance - why are people not allowed to think that?? You obviously don't come from the country. I love animals but even my dog dislikes foxes I'm afraid. It goes crazy if it sees one. I'm sure some people like them and some don't. No right or wrong.
Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
Bit of a contra indicating post. People have a right to choose....but 'foxes simply are a nuisance'? (if you had written that you find them a nuisance then fair enough). I don't find the foxes round by us a nuisance at all.Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
Of course not everyone dislikes them and not everyone likes them but I think it's fair to call them a nuisance in general terms. i just find it a bit poor form (not for you I should add) that someone gets attacked for disliking them. All my neighbours as a child would regularly shoot foxes to protect their animals. It's a perfectly normal part of country living in my eyes.
.bexVN said:
Disastrous said:
bexVN said:
Disastrous said:
Bizarre thread. Foxes simply are a nuisance - why are people not allowed to think that?? You obviously don't come from the country. I love animals but even my dog dislikes foxes I'm afraid. It goes crazy if it sees one. I'm sure some people like them and some don't. No right or wrong.
Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
Bit of a contra indicating post. People have a right to choose....but 'foxes simply are a nuisance'? (if you had written that you find them a nuisance then fair enough). I don't find the foxes round by us a nuisance at all.Bit odd to boast that you've received support by PM though, and even weirder to offer support by PM if true!
Of course not everyone dislikes them and not everyone likes them but I think it's fair to call them a nuisance in general terms. i just find it a bit poor form (not for you I should add) that someone gets attacked for disliking them. All my neighbours as a child would regularly shoot foxes to protect their animals. It's a perfectly normal part of country living in my eyes.
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Last nights instalment - no sign of her at all until about 200 yards from home when she let off a scream and I turn around to see her sitting on the pavement about 30 yards away. Dogs are quite controlled though tugging away to go towards her but despite that she advances to within 20 yards and gives another scream at which point, my 2 go ballistic as they would like nothing better than a fox chase being sighthounds!!
All parties just then sat and stared at each other for a couple of mins before she stood up and jogged away.
Thats the closest I have seen her and she looks pretty healthy, perhaps a tad thin but not too drastic.
David
All parties just then sat and stared at each other for a couple of mins before she stood up and jogged away.
Thats the closest I have seen her and she looks pretty healthy, perhaps a tad thin but not too drastic.
David
Well, she obvioulsy wants you to take notice of her
Are you doing the same walk at the same time every night? They can form habitual wanderings, so she may just be saying hello, but that would be more of a bark
She's certaily not scared of you now!
Out of curiosity, do you carry (smelly) dog treats with you when you walk?
Good news that she looks healthy
Are you doing the same walk at the same time every night? They can form habitual wanderings, so she may just be saying hello, but that would be more of a bark
She's certaily not scared of you now!
Out of curiosity, do you carry (smelly) dog treats with you when you walk?
Good news that she looks healthy
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