Our cat has just been killed by a dog
Discussion
toohangry said:
Can we just draw a line under this now? It's pretty clear that none of us know the exact law on this. Ali_kat, bless her, is desperately fighting her corner to try and prove that something illegal has happened but it's become very clear that she is just trying to find some facts to fit her opinion and, on the whole, failing. The rest of us are just asking the same questions and I think it's clear now that no-one on here has the knowledge that we're looking for.
To summarise:
It's extremely sad that this incident happened.
It definitely should NOT have happened and the dog should have been leashed.
We are none the wiser whether an actual law has been broken though.
To summarise:
It's extremely sad that this incident happened.
It definitely should NOT have happened and the dog should have been leashed.
We are none the wiser whether an actual law has been broken though.
ali_kat said:
Hold on a cotton picking minute! I’m NOT trying prove that something illegal has happened, just that the Dog owner was in the wrong as the dog wasn’t under control
A dog DOES have to be under control in public. The debate is defining the whole under control bit, after I tried to answer your question.
I never said it was dangerously out of control – that was you putting words in my mouth because of the way that the .Gov.uk law is written. However
I can do that too ali_kat said:
The only point I have is that the dog shouldn't have been in the garden. I haven't said the dog was dangerously out of control (despite what TooHangry tries to imply) just that it wasn't under control - it should have been leashed
ali_kat said:
All I have stated about the case in hand is that the dog should not have been off the lead & in someone else's garden (private property) killing that person's cat.
The dog wasn’t under any kind of control, and we all agree it should have been leashed! (well apart from Andy)A dog DOES have to be under control in public. The debate is defining the whole under control bit, after I tried to answer your question.
I never said it was dangerously out of control – that was you putting words in my mouth because of the way that the .Gov.uk law is written. However
GOV.UK Law said:
A court could also decide that your dog is dangerously out of control if either of the following apply:
- it attacks someone’s animal
- the owner of an animal thinks they could be injured if they tried to stop your dog attacking their animal
ali_kat said:
toohangry said:
Not one single person is disagreeing with your second statement for Christ's sake!
toohangry said:
ali_kat said:
Out of control
Your dog is considered dangerously out of control if it:
Do you think the upsetting scenario in this thread falls into either of those? Your dog is considered dangerously out of control if it:
- injures someone
- makes someone worried that it might injure them
ali_kat said:
toohangry said:
ali_kat said:
Hold on a cotton picking minute! I’m NOT trying prove that something illegal has happened
Yet:ali_kat said:
the dog wasn't under control and entered private property. That's against the law in the whole of the UK.
Very sorry to hear this, especially as the OP is one of the very few PHers that I have actually met. Very sad if you have kids too 
Also, coincidentally, I am also a greyhound owner.
Although lots of greyhounds live with cats haipply, if they see one running across a field and even if it is the one they live with, there is a dam good chance that they will want to chase it. Its built into their DNA.
However, not all will kill it when they catch it. Mine caught a rabbit once when he was on the lead and he just held it in his jaws and dropped it when he was back in our garden. Others will kill what every they have caught.
I would not expect the dog to be destroyed. However, I would politely ask them to muzzel the dog of they want top off lead it. I genuinely don't know if I would contact the police. Maybe the RSPCA?
Greyhounds aren't the brightest of breeds and I have seen some with excellent recall, but if they are at full chat (40mph+) and sights are set, then I'm afraid I don't know any owners who can recall a Greyhound when they are in the zone. The owner will certainly have tried, but the chances are he just wasn't quick enough.
Also, generally speaking greyhounds are lead only dogs. In this case, the owner made a big mistake. We keep ours on a lead unless he is in an enclosed area and even then we muzzel him just in case. Not everyone does and some people don't because if another dog attacks a greyhound, they have absolutely no defense. Pound for Pound, greyhounds are ridiculously strong, but their skin is paper thin and they are naturally fragile, so won't stand up well in any fight.
Haven't read through all 7 pages and I may do later. As a greyhound owner, I'm sure there will be some stuff I disagree with.
Also, coincidentally, I am also a greyhound owner.
Although lots of greyhounds live with cats haipply, if they see one running across a field and even if it is the one they live with, there is a dam good chance that they will want to chase it. Its built into their DNA.
However, not all will kill it when they catch it. Mine caught a rabbit once when he was on the lead and he just held it in his jaws and dropped it when he was back in our garden. Others will kill what every they have caught.
I would not expect the dog to be destroyed. However, I would politely ask them to muzzel the dog of they want top off lead it. I genuinely don't know if I would contact the police. Maybe the RSPCA?
Greyhounds aren't the brightest of breeds and I have seen some with excellent recall, but if they are at full chat (40mph+) and sights are set, then I'm afraid I don't know any owners who can recall a Greyhound when they are in the zone. The owner will certainly have tried, but the chances are he just wasn't quick enough.
Also, generally speaking greyhounds are lead only dogs. In this case, the owner made a big mistake. We keep ours on a lead unless he is in an enclosed area and even then we muzzel him just in case. Not everyone does and some people don't because if another dog attacks a greyhound, they have absolutely no defense. Pound for Pound, greyhounds are ridiculously strong, but their skin is paper thin and they are naturally fragile, so won't stand up well in any fight.
Haven't read through all 7 pages and I may do later. As a greyhound owner, I'm sure there will be some stuff I disagree with.
bakerstreet said:
Very sorry to hear this, especially as the OP is one of the very few PHers that I have actually met. Very sad if you have kids too
Also, coincidentally, I am also a greyhound owner.
Although lots of greyhounds live with cats haipply, if they see one running across a field and even if it is the one they live with, there is a dam good chance that they will want to chase it. Its built into their DNA.
However, not all will kill it when they catch it. Mine caught a rabbit once when he was on the lead and he just held it in his jaws and dropped it when he was back in our garden. Others will kill what every they have caught.
I would not expect the dog to be destroyed. However, I would politely ask them to muzzel the dog of they want top off lead it. I genuinely don't know if I would contact the police. Maybe the RSPCA?
Greyhounds aren't the brightest of breeds and I have seen some with excellent recall, but if they are at full chat (40mph+) and sights are set, then I'm afraid I don't know any owners who can recall a Greyhound when they are in the zone. The owner will certainly have tried, but the chances are he just wasn't quick enough.
Also, generally speaking greyhounds are lead only dogs. In this case, the owner made a big mistake. We keep ours on a lead unless he is in an enclosed area and even then we muzzel him just in case. Not everyone does and some people don't because if another dog attacks a greyhound, they have absolutely no defense. Pound for Pound, greyhounds are ridiculously strong, but their skin is paper thin and they are naturally fragile, so won't stand up well in any fight.
Haven't read through all 7 pages and I may do later. As a greyhound owner, I'm sure there will be some stuff I disagree with.
Edit: Just scanned through a few pages. No anti greyhound stuff
Dog was out of control, should have been on a lead. Hopefully the dog warden will take suitable action against the owner and more importantly, OP maybe looks at getting a new cat? (Not a replacement obviously)
Also, coincidentally, I am also a greyhound owner.
Although lots of greyhounds live with cats haipply, if they see one running across a field and even if it is the one they live with, there is a dam good chance that they will want to chase it. Its built into their DNA.
However, not all will kill it when they catch it. Mine caught a rabbit once when he was on the lead and he just held it in his jaws and dropped it when he was back in our garden. Others will kill what every they have caught.
I would not expect the dog to be destroyed. However, I would politely ask them to muzzel the dog of they want top off lead it. I genuinely don't know if I would contact the police. Maybe the RSPCA?
Greyhounds aren't the brightest of breeds and I have seen some with excellent recall, but if they are at full chat (40mph+) and sights are set, then I'm afraid I don't know any owners who can recall a Greyhound when they are in the zone. The owner will certainly have tried, but the chances are he just wasn't quick enough.
Also, generally speaking greyhounds are lead only dogs. In this case, the owner made a big mistake. We keep ours on a lead unless he is in an enclosed area and even then we muzzel him just in case. Not everyone does and some people don't because if another dog attacks a greyhound, they have absolutely no defense. Pound for Pound, greyhounds are ridiculously strong, but their skin is paper thin and they are naturally fragile, so won't stand up well in any fight.
Haven't read through all 7 pages and I may do later. As a greyhound owner, I'm sure there will be some stuff I disagree with.
Edit: Just scanned through a few pages. No anti greyhound stuff
Dog was out of control, should have been on a lead. Hopefully the dog warden will take suitable action against the owner and more importantly, OP maybe looks at getting a new cat? (Not a replacement obviously) To put things into perspective far more cats are killed by cars than dogs. It's just unfortunate. We lost one to a car and years past lost one to a dog.
Although sad when it happens it is a fact of life, cars and dogs occasionally kill cats, cats kill birds, birds kill insects.
We bury them and we move on.
Although sad when it happens it is a fact of life, cars and dogs occasionally kill cats, cats kill birds, birds kill insects.
We bury them and we move on.
Why does it need putting into perspective?
The OP has had his elderly cat killed by a dog, for them perspective is irrelevant right now.
I know you are to some extent right (though this cats death was completely avoidable) but it doesn't seem right to be so matter of fact on this particular thread.
The OP has had his elderly cat killed by a dog, for them perspective is irrelevant right now.
I know you are to some extent right (though this cats death was completely avoidable) but it doesn't seem right to be so matter of fact on this particular thread.
Gandahar said:
To put things into perspective far more cats are killed by cars than dogs. It's just unfortunate. We lost one to a car and years past lost one to a dog.
Although sad when it happens it is a fact of life, cars and dogs occasionally kill cats, cats kill birds, birds kill insects.
We bury them and we move on.
Cats kill approx 55 million birds a year that is 55,000,000. They are a real threat to our wildlife.Although sad when it happens it is a fact of life, cars and dogs occasionally kill cats, cats kill birds, birds kill insects.
We bury them and we move on.
However if people would just keep their Dogs on a lead it would benefit everyone I reckon that as much as 90% of Dogs off the lead are not under the owners control. I have been teaching my little GSD to sit and watch the Duckling's feed in our Garden the Ducks trust the other Dogs and mingle between them no bother it can be done.I would hate to think one of my Dogs had killed another animal.
To bring closure to this thread, an update from me.
The dog warden visited the owner and insisted that the dog be muzzled in public and on a lead. According to feedback from the warden, the dog owner remained apologetic and close to tears. I reminded her that my little girl was still in tears as Mustard is not asleep on her bed, just to put things back into context, that an out of control dog killed our cat after running onto our garden.
The kids still think she died in her sleep and that will remain so. No plans yet for a new cat but if we do, it will be another from a homing centre or charity.
Steve
The dog warden visited the owner and insisted that the dog be muzzled in public and on a lead. According to feedback from the warden, the dog owner remained apologetic and close to tears. I reminded her that my little girl was still in tears as Mustard is not asleep on her bed, just to put things back into context, that an out of control dog killed our cat after running onto our garden.
The kids still think she died in her sleep and that will remain so. No plans yet for a new cat but if we do, it will be another from a homing centre or charity.
Steve
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