Our cat has just been killed by a dog

[longshot]

Deepest apologies skahigh. Now corrected.

[johnxjsc1985]

there is a simple way to control a dog its called a lead. The amount of people who think they have control over their Dogs but in reality have none is frightening.
Nobody should have to suffer seeing their companion attacked and killed like this I cannot imagine how they feel. I have never had a Cat and never will always had Dogs always will but I do wish people would just keep them on a lead it drives me nuts.

[Mexican cuties]

We have this all the time, ours is on a lead, dog off lead coming over, owner says oh he's fine with over dogs but ours isn't hence on the lead and then unless we can get him out the way it kicks off, have had dogs off lead jumping up to grab our little man in husbands arms, drives me nuts and don't enjoy walking him by myself

[johnxjsc1985]

Mexican cuties said:

We have this all the time, ours is on a lead, dog off lead coming over, owner says oh he's fine with over dogs but ours isn't hence on the lead and then unless we can get him out the way it kicks off, have had dogs off lead jumping up to grab our little man in husbands arms, drives me nuts and don't enjoy walking him by myself

I had the same last night.I had my 10 month GSD pup with me on a lead as always and a huge Berense came across.When he got to about 25 yards I asked the owner to get control of his Dog which he didnt.
The Dog did not come over in a submissive playful manner and my little fella recognised this and barked and the Bernese tried to get at him.Unfortunately for him I am 6ft 2 and 16 stone and I had to kickout and repel him . I wished it could have been the owner.The owner said he wasnt aggressive which just annoyed the hell out of me having just seen his Dog try to get at mine. I reckon 90% of Dogs off thier leads are not under any sort of control.Rant over

[KFC]

andyb28 said:

I am not directly having a go at you, but to play devil's advocate a tad here to prompt a sensible discussion about this.

Was your cat on a lead then?
Why would it be the dogs fault, just because it wasn't on a lead?

Its really quite simple if you're at either extreme.

If your cat goes into someone else's garden and gets attacked by a dog, its unfortunate but its 100% the cat owners fault.

If your dog goes into someone else's garden and attacks their cat, its unfortunate but its 100% the dog owners fault.


If it happens in some random neutral location then its going to be situation dependent on who's fault it was.

[ali_kat]

KFC said:

If it happens in some random neutral location then its going to be situation dependent on who's fault it was.

No, it's the Dog Owners fault under UK Laws for not having their dog under control in a public space.

Well done in resurrecting a painful thread (with incorrect information) that had died BTW.

[KFC]

ali_kat said:

No, it's the Dog Owners fault under UK Laws for not having their dog under control in a public space.

Well done in resurrecting a painful thread (with incorrect information) that had died BTW.

Its a 2 day old post on page 1 still... hardly a dead thread


If your dog was on a lead and a cat ran up to it and got bitten, I'd say your dog was under control in a public space. So it *is* going to depend on circumstances, like I said in my post

[ali_kat]

Do you get a thrill out of trolling the cat threads & posting utter st?

[anonymous-user]

Mexican cuties said:

We have this all the time, ours is on a lead, dog off lead coming over, owner says oh he's fine with over dogs but ours isn't hence on the lead and then unless we can get him out the way it kicks off, have had dogs off lead jumping up to grab our little man in husbands arms, drives me nuts and don't enjoy walking him by myself

I will never understand people who say things like "oh she is as good as gold" when introducing their dog. Yes, that may well be the past experience but it is still a domesticated animal with (deep down) a wild instinct, and whether that instinct is to st all over the floor of your friends house, or chase a rabbit/cat/bird, or bite a baby, it's only luck if it doesn't appear at least once in the dog's life which is why they should be kept under control. To ignore it or forget that, is at your peril.

[toohangry]

ali_kat said:

No, it's the Dog Owners fault under UK Laws for not having their dog under control in a public space.

I don't think that's strictly true - Section 3 of the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991, which deals with having dogs under control in a public place, is fairly specific in its definition:'A ‘dangerously out of control’ dog can be defined as a dog that has injured someone or a dog that a person has grounds for reasonable apprehension that it
may do so. Something as simple as your dog chasing, barking at or jumping up at a person or child could lead to a complaint, so ensure that your dog is under control at all times.'.

Obviously common sense should dictate that you don't walk with a dog (that's likely to go for a cat) in a residential area but whether or not the law per se applies to a cat is not mentioned unless I'm missing a statute somewhere? I'm genuinely interested to know as I'm a relatively new dog owner who always walks his dog on a leash until a park is reached. However, I often see a particular cat at the park so have some concerns.

[ali_kat]

It’s against the law to let a dog be dangerously out of control anywhere, such as:

• in a public place
• in a private place, eg a neighbour’s house or garden
• in the owner’s home

The law applies to all dogs.

Out of control

Your dog is considered dangerously out of control if it:

• injures someone
• makes someone worried that it might injure them

It isn't necessary for dogs to be leashed at all times. However, dogs must be kept on a lead in designated pedestrian zones and on land where livestock is present. Councils have bye-laws to indicate areas where leashing is required, such as in public parks.

Only 1 of the local 3 parks by me allows Dogs to be off lead, the amount of owners that ignore this by-law (and the ones about picking up after their dogs) is disgraceful!

[KFC]

ali_kat said:

Do you get a thrill out of trolling the cat threads & posting utter st?

Where am I trolling? I've said it could be the dog owners fault, it could be the cat owners fault. We don't know, its situation dependent. If it happens in the cat owners garden its quite clearly the dog owners fault!

[toohangry]

You've paraphrased my post there:

ali_kat said:

Out of control

Your dog is considered dangerously out of control if it:

• injures someone
• makes someone worried that it might injure them

Do you think the upsetting scenario in this thread falls into either of those?

[ali_kat]

toohangry said:

You've paraphrased my post there:

ali_kat said:

Out of control

Your dog is considered dangerously out of control if it:

• injures someone
• makes someone worried that it might injure them

Do you think the upsetting scenario in this thread falls into either of those?

No, I copied & pasted it from Gov.UK, as applied to your post above, I left out the bit relevant to this attack AS IT IS REALLY fkING OBVIOUS THAT AN OFF LEAD DOG SHOULD NOT BE IN SOMEONE ELSES GARDEN KILLING A CAT

But here, let me quote the rest of it for you.

A court could also decide that your dog is dangerously out of control if either of the following apply:
it attacks someone’s animal
the owner of an animal thinks they could be injured if they tried to stop your dog attacking their animal

[ali_kat]

KFC said:

Where am I trolling? I've said it could be the dog owners fault, it could be the cat owners fault. We don't know, its situation dependent. If it happens in the cat owners garden its quite clearly the dog owners fault!

You are trolling because there is NO question as to who is a fault here, so why bump it other than to bring this st up again?

You're great when it comes to dogs, but at times as bad as the dhead that asked that stupid question when it comes to cats & cat owners feelings. Learn som tact.

[toohangry]

ali_kat said:

toohangry said:

You've paraphrased my post there:

ali_kat said:

Out of control

Your dog is considered dangerously out of control if it:

• injures someone
• makes someone worried that it might injure them

Do you think the upsetting scenario in this thread falls into either of those?

No, I copied & pasted it from Gov.UK, as applied to your post above, I left out the bit relevant to this attack AS IT IS REALLY fkING OBVIOUS THAT AN OFF LEAD DOG SHOULD NOT BE IN SOMEONE ELSES GARDEN KILLING A CAT

But here, let me quote the rest of it for you.

A court could also decide that your dog is dangerously out of control if either of the following apply:
it attacks someone’s animal
the owner of an animal thinks they could be injured if they tried to stop your dog attacking their animal

I'll bow out now I think, it seems you're incapable of discussing points of law without shouting and swearing, neither of which give you any credibility.

As stated, I'm a new, considerate and caring dog owner who's interested in discussing the laws regarding this sad subject to a) try and prevent it happening again and b) just out of curiousity. You are speaking to me, and others, as if you somehow have ownership of this topic in its entirety and think shouting and swearing will get your point across. Good day.

[ali_kat]

As a new, considerate and caring dog owner wanting to prevent this from happening, may I suggest that you continue to keep your dog on a lead when walking it to/from the park; and in the park unless is has been designated a 'lead free zone' by your local Council's by laws; as per my post above in response to you that you chose to be sarcastic over.

By 'lead free zone' I mean any such appropriate wording that the Government/Local Council/Other authoritive body deem appropriate to use for a desginated area or public place where dogs do not have to be ‘under control’ (for clarity - a dog is considered ‘under control’ if it is on a lead held by someone able to control the dog. For example, a large dog would not be under control if its lead was held by a child who would be unable to restrain the dog if it strained against the lead.)

You wonder why I'm shouting & swearing at you - this is not the first time you've chosen to respond to me in that way and yest I STILL tried to answer you helpfully; I really should have known better.

Edited because I remember you've twisted my words before...

Edited by ali_kat on Monday 27th July 16:25

[james7]

ali_kat said:

By 'lead free zone' I mean any such appropriate wording that the Government/Local Council/Other authoritive body deem appropriate to use for a desginated area or public place where dogs do not have to be ‘under control’ (for clarity - a dog is considered ‘under control’ if it is on a lead held by someone able to control the dog. For example, a large dog would not be under control if its lead was held by a child who would be unable to restrain the dog if it strained against the lead.)

Can you show me proof of this please?

[toohangry]

Wow, you're a pretty paranoid/angry person! There's been no sarcasm in my posts, just normal talk about the subject matter.

My question was 'Obviously common sense should dictate that you don't walk with a dog (that's likely to go for a cat) in a residential area but whether or not the law per se applies to a cat is not mentioned unless I'm missing a statute somewhere?'.

No twisting of words, no sarcasm, no shouting and swearing...

[ali_kat]

james7 said:

ali_kat said:

By 'lead free zone' I mean any such appropriate wording that the Government/Local Council/Other authoritive body deem appropriate to use for a desginated area or public place where dogs do not have to be ‘under control’ (for clarity - a dog is considered ‘under control’ if it is on a lead held by someone able to control the dog. For example, a large dog would not be under control if its lead was held by a child who would be unable to restrain the dog if it strained against the lead.)

Can you show me proof of this please?

Sure

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/controlling-your-dog-in...