Breaking a stranger's car window if there's a dog inside
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Acidrop said:
Let's just take all the bleeding heart sentimental bs out of it. I love dogs the same as anyone else and I would never leave a dog in a locked car. I would never even let a dog in my car in the first place as the wife is not even allowed to eat in my car.
I'm looking at this purely from a legal standpoint. You have no right to criminally damage someone else's car no matter what. Yes it might be morally right to do so, but people who say there won't be any consequences?? I'm sure the police would view that differently.
Are you still sticking to your original viewpoint on this one? You would leave a dog to die in a strangers car rather than smash a window? If you saw someone else smash the window do you think they should be shot?I'm looking at this purely from a legal standpoint. You have no right to criminally damage someone else's car no matter what. Yes it might be morally right to do so, but people who say there won't be any consequences?? I'm sure the police would view that differently.
Acidrop said:
I'm looking at this purely from a legal standpoint.
Don't lie. We're not as stupid as you seem to think.Acidrop said:
Am I the only one that thinks anyone doing this should be shot?
is what you started your original post with, before starting this follow-up withAcidrop said:
Let's just take all the bleeding heart sentimental bs out of it.
So to say "purely from a legal standpoint" is crap, and you know it is.But let's humour you, shall we?
Acidrop said:
You have no right to criminally damage someone else's car no matter what.
Wrong.http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/48/sectio...
If an animal was suffering, that would almost certainly be a lawful excuse against any charge of criminal damage, so a valid defence.
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Friday 17th June 09:27
Acidrop said:
I'm looking at this purely from a legal standpoint. You have no right to criminally damage someone else's car no matter what. Yes it might be morally right to do so, but people who say there won't be any consequences?? I'm sure the police would view that differently.
Why would they? I've watched the police do it.TooMany2cvs said:
Acidrop said:
I'm looking at this purely from a legal standpoint.
Don't lie. We're not as stupid as you seem to think.TooMany2cvs said:
Acidrop said:
Am I the only one that thinks anyone doing this should be shot?
is what you started your original post with, before starting this follow-up withAcidrop said:
Let's just take all the bleeding heart sentimental bs out of it.
So to say "purely from a legal standpoint" is crap, and you know it is.But let's humour you, shall we?
Acidrop said:
You have no right to criminally damage someone else's car no matter what.
Wrong.http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/48/sectio...
If an animal was suffering, that would almost certainly be a lawful excuse against any charge of criminal damage, so a valid defence.
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Friday 17th June 09:27
The police on the other hand does have the power PACE (s.17) to force entry to "save lives or prevent serious damage to property"
Acidrop said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Acidrop said:
I'm looking at this purely from a legal standpoint.
Don't lie. We're not as stupid as you seem to think.Acidrop said:
I stand by my opening post.
Yes, I'm sure you do. And there appears to be a strong consensus view on that opening post, and on you for making and standing by it.Acidrop said:
If someone smashed my car windows in I would batter them as they have no business doing so.
Well, at least you've come down a notch, from arbitrary cold-blooded murder to mere assault, ABH or GBH.Acidrop said:
You have no right to criminally damage someone else's car no matter what.
TooMany2cvs said:
Wrong.
thttp://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/48/section/5
If an animal was suffering, that would almost certainly be a lawful excuse against any charge of criminal damage, so a valid defence.
Sorry, but I can't see where it says you're allowed to criminally damage someone else's car if there was a dog left inside.thttp://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/48/section/5
If an animal was suffering, that would almost certainly be a lawful excuse against any charge of criminal damage, so a valid defence.
Acidrop said:
Meaning what exactly? I stand by my opening post. If someone smashed my car windows in I would batter them as they have no business doing so.
Well that's fair because....Acidrop said:
At the same time I wouldn't leave a dog in my car as I've stated, so get off your high horse.
If you wouldn't leave a dog in the car, someone smashing your window would then be for no reason, in which case you'd batter them, which is expected. Your logic is odd.Acidrop said:
Meaning what exactly? I stand by my opening post. If someone smashed my car windows in I would batter them as they have no business doing so. At the same time I wouldn't leave a dog in my car as I've stated, so get off your high horse.
What? You've made a situation into something it isn't. You are correct that noone has any business to smash in YOUR windows, but that is because YOU wouldn't leave the dog in the car. That is totally different to a person who DOES leave their dog in the car, in which situation, a person WOULD have "the business" to go ahead and smash a window and have minimal risk of facing any prosecution.
Also, unless you only have TPFT insurance, then what's a new window going to cost you, a £75-100 excess maximum to get Autoglass out to replace it?
Acidrop said:
Am I the only one that thinks anyone doing this should be shot? Yes it's daft if someone leaves a dog inside a locked car, but it's not your dog or your car. It's plain criminal damage and people are made out to be heroes for smashing someone's window in.
Obvious troll is Obvious I do leave my dog in a car..but only if the day isn't too hot and I will be away for max 10mins, I always find a place in a shade/under the tree and crack open all 4 windows by 7-10cm, yes someone could potentially reach his arm in and open the car, but I doubt they will after seeing my dog in it.
Edited by itaa on Friday 17th June 12:02
Davey S2 said:
If the dog was in danger then I'd happily smash the window.
If the owner came back and started kicking off about it and I thought I'd get away with it I'd also happily smash the owner too.
This.If the owner came back and started kicking off about it and I thought I'd get away with it I'd also happily smash the owner too.
A poxy car window's what, a couple of hundred quid? Who's got a brick?
Find it harder to believe someone wouldn't smash it tbh.
R E S T E C P said:
The risk of dogs overheating is far greater than people realise. If I ever see a car with a dog inside on a hot day I smash the window to either pull them out or at least let some air into the car.
Seriously pisses off the drivers though, especially on the motorway.
Seriously pisses off the drivers though, especially on the motorway.
That deserved more recognition than it got
MrBarry123 said:
I think I'd probably call 101 and inform the police before smashing someone's window.
We had to do this last summer, some old bloke had left one of his dogs in his locked car while he walked his other dog We stood by the car for about 20mins while deciding what to do, then calling 101, the old timer finally returned before the Police attended but I believe he got a stern talking too.
I would break a window if I felt the dog was in immediate danger, would rather call 101 & be given the go ahead to do so though. If I was stupid enough to put my dogs in that situation I'd suck up the fact that somebody damaged my car, might even be grateful they saved my dogs life.
I was at a bike show some years ago and there was a tannoy announcement along the lines of:
"Will the owner of car registration XXXXXX please return to your vehicle"
A few minutes later there was a followup
"Will the owner of car registration XXXXXX please return to your vehicle, your dog is in distress"
But it was the third announcement I liked
"If the owner of car registration XXXXXX doesn't return to their vehicle in the next 10 minutes the Hells Angels are going to let your dog out of the car"
I'm guessing at that point he might have been better off not returning to the car and just accepting he'd have a broken window
"Will the owner of car registration XXXXXX please return to your vehicle"
A few minutes later there was a followup
"Will the owner of car registration XXXXXX please return to your vehicle, your dog is in distress"
But it was the third announcement I liked
"If the owner of car registration XXXXXX doesn't return to their vehicle in the next 10 minutes the Hells Angels are going to let your dog out of the car"
I'm guessing at that point he might have been better off not returning to the car and just accepting he'd have a broken window
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