Snake I.D

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mini me

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193 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Once again I'm calling on the PH collective hive mind for some assistance. Clearing up the patio we found this , clearly dead but still fresh snake. It was under a log and I could use an identification. I was thinking grass snake but my bro's completely uneducated opinion has now got me worrying about adders.

Any ideas?


oilydan

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271 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Distinctive yellow band behind the head = Grass Snake.

We have a 2m long one living in the compost heap. Good for keeping the mice and rats at bay.

bexVN

14,682 posts

211 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Wonder what killed it?

The Moose

22,847 posts

209 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Doesn't an adder have a diamond based pattern?

Big Al.

68,853 posts

258 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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As I understand it, an Adder/Viper has a distinctive V on the back of it's head.

mini me

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Sunday 24th July 2016
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Cheers all. That's what I thought and hoped for. No idea how it met its end. Was clearly quite fresh still. Dunno if the missus did it in whilst lifting the log it was under. Possibly? She did let out quite a scream! When I took it down to the bottom of the garden to dispose of I'm 100% sure I saw another disappear off into the undergrowth. Too quick to see but size/ colour seemed similar so I would assume the same. Was clearly just catching some rays until it saw me coming.

mini me

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Sunday 24th July 2016
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The Moose said:
Doesn't an adder have a diamond based pattern?
That was my understanding. But faced with this one and my imagination I could pretty much say the markings were gonna be diamond shaped once it grew up a bit.

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bexVN

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Sunday 24th July 2016
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mini me said:
Cheers all. That's what I thought and hoped for. No idea how it met its end. Was clearly quite fresh still. Dunno if the missus did it in whilst lifting the log it was under. Possibly? She did let out quite a scream! When I took it down to the bottom of the garden to dispose of I'm 100% sure I saw another disappear off into the undergrowth. Too quick to see but size/ colour seemed similar so I would assume the same. Was clearly just catching some rays until it saw me coming.
I doubt your wife did it. Snakes aren't easy to kill in that way and it woukd still have had movement a little while after death if she had managed to accidentally kill it.

mini me

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Sunday 24th July 2016
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Hmm yeah I guess so. Looking closer at the pic it appears to have some thing on its body. Probably the beginnings of maggots? So presumably had died a little while before we found it. Shame cos it looked in good nick and no visible sign of damage really. We do have cats but I'm pretty sure it wasn't them. Would have probably been left on the doormat or in my shoe if it was!

All that jazz

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146 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Is this in the UK? eek I'd have shat myself.

otolith

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204 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Yep, those are fly eggs, must have been dead a little while.

mini me

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Monday 25th July 2016
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Yep in the UK. I think it looks much bigger in the pic than it was in real life. Probably around a foot long tops. And ~ 1cm diameter.

All that jazz

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146 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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yikes Where in UK?

bexVN

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211 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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All that jazz said:
yikes Where in UK?
They occur all over tbh but prefer slightly warmer, grassy areas.

Grass snakes aren't harmful.

Adders are our only poisonous snake, nasty bites but generally not fatal to humans unless very young or infirmed, though can cause considerable skin damage etc so does need hospital attention. Dogs tend to get bitten more, can be more life threatening to them as isn't always realised as quickly that they have been bitten and obviously they are usually smaller than people!

Adders are very shy though and prefer to avoid confrontation so it is much more likely they will try and move away from you than attack

oilydan

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271 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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They will have a go if you pester them though.

The one living in my compost heap was about 2m long and 4 cm in diameter (we found a shed skin along those lines too).

It didn't take too kindly to being disturbed when we moved the heap to another area of the garden struck out at the loader bucket, made an awful 'clang' hehe before slithering off into the nearby hedge.

All that jazz

7,632 posts

146 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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oilydan said:
They will have a go if you pester them though.

The one living in my compost heap was about 2m long and 4 cm in diameter (we found a shed skin along those lines too).

It didn't take too kindly to being disturbed when we moved the heap to another area of the garden struck out at the loader bucket, made an awful 'clang' hehe before slithering off into the nearby hedge.
That's not in UK though. Says you're in Saudi Arabia on your profile.

oilydan

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271 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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All that jazz said:
oilydan said:
They will have a go if you pester them though.

The one living in my compost heap was about 2m long and 4 cm in diameter (we found a shed skin along those lines too).

It didn't take too kindly to being disturbed when we moved the heap to another area of the garden struck out at the loader bucket, made an awful 'clang' hehe before slithering off into the nearby hedge.
That's not in UK though. Says you're in Saudi Arabia on your profile.
I work in Saudi.

I have a country pile in Devon.

HTH

mini me

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Tuesday 26th July 2016
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All that jazz said:
yikes Where in UK?
Essex way. quite a wild part of Essex mind.




Nimby

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150 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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bexVN said:
Adders are our only poisonous snake
<QI klaxon /> They are venomous, not poisonous.

otolith

56,121 posts

204 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Nimby said:
bexVN said:
Adders are our only poisonous snake
<QI klaxon /> They are venomous, not poisonous.
Double QI klaxon - it was claimed on the show that even non-venomous snakes have venom glands and produce traces of venom.