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Hiya, Mrs Buzz recently spent a week helping out a rescue shelter in kefalonia she loved every minute, I joined her a week later for a holiday and we also spent a couple of days there working.
While Mrs Buzz was there she completely fell for one of the dogs she introduced me to her and I fell for her too. (its funny how out of 350 dogs you can be drawn to one)
We are currently going through the process of bringing her to the UK and giving her a home with us.
While going through process one of the tests has highlighted that she has 2 parasitic infections.
The first one is Ehrlichia and we have been told that that can be sorted and she is been started on that treatment right away. The other is Leishmania, which I believe is not curable as such.
I have read several web sites on both subjects but they are very general showing all potential variations and outcomes and mostly written in "mediacal-ese" so its not really clear to me. I know there are several people on here that are in the veterinary world or are very clued up about these things and wondered if you guys/gals have any "plain English" information and advice on these conditions. What it will mean and what we can do.
These two conditions have not stopped us from taking her on, shes a lovely dog and although the rescue shelter does a very good job with the limited funds and man power they have, she will have a far better life with us even if she is ill. We will give her all the medical attention and love she needs.
While Mrs Buzz was there she completely fell for one of the dogs she introduced me to her and I fell for her too. (its funny how out of 350 dogs you can be drawn to one)
We are currently going through the process of bringing her to the UK and giving her a home with us.
While going through process one of the tests has highlighted that she has 2 parasitic infections.
The first one is Ehrlichia and we have been told that that can be sorted and she is been started on that treatment right away. The other is Leishmania, which I believe is not curable as such.
I have read several web sites on both subjects but they are very general showing all potential variations and outcomes and mostly written in "mediacal-ese" so its not really clear to me. I know there are several people on here that are in the veterinary world or are very clued up about these things and wondered if you guys/gals have any "plain English" information and advice on these conditions. What it will mean and what we can do.
These two conditions have not stopped us from taking her on, shes a lovely dog and although the rescue shelter does a very good job with the limited funds and man power they have, she will have a far better life with us even if she is ill. We will give her all the medical attention and love she needs.
I'm no expert but this breaks down the medical speak:
http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/infectious-par...
Doesn't look too good - flicking to page 2 :/
http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/infectious-par...
Doesn't look too good - flicking to page 2 :/
Ok they said this page is useful
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Leishmania/11234664...
And this one
https://www.facebook.com/groups/447077055372021/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Leishmania/11234664...
And this one
https://www.facebook.com/groups/447077055372021/
Edited by Jasandjules on Thursday 25th August 19:51
Buzz84,
Wondering if you can help me, I've had a bit of a run in with a dog charity trying to find a home for a leish +ve dog currently in France. They have been trying for several months to find a home for it in surrounding countries unsuccessfully cue several offers from those in the UK but they have told everyone they can't import into the UK.
I queried this on fb only to have my comments deleted and then a private msg stating that I was incorrect that she may be able to be imported to UK and as they didn't want it to be about her illness they took my comments off and they hoped I didn't mind.
You are definitely able to import your dog I assume or have I made myself look stupid!! (not difficult!!)
Wondering if you can help me, I've had a bit of a run in with a dog charity trying to find a home for a leish +ve dog currently in France. They have been trying for several months to find a home for it in surrounding countries unsuccessfully cue several offers from those in the UK but they have told everyone they can't import into the UK.
I queried this on fb only to have my comments deleted and then a private msg stating that I was incorrect that she may be able to be imported to UK and as they didn't want it to be about her illness they took my comments off and they hoped I didn't mind.
You are definitely able to import your dog I assume or have I made myself look stupid!! (not difficult!!)
bexVN said:
Buzz84,
Wondering if you can help me, I've had a bit of a run in with a dog charity trying to find a home for a leish +ve dog currently in France. They have been trying for several months to find a home for it in surrounding countries unsuccessfully cue several offers from those in the UK but they have told everyone they can't import into the UK.
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I queried this on fb only to have my comments deleted and then a private msg stating that I was incorrect that she may be able to be imported to UK and as they didn't want it to be about her illness they took my comments off and they hoped I didn't mind.
You are definitely able to import your dog I assume or have I made myself look stupid!! (not difficult!!)
Hi Bex, you can defiantly import a dog to the UK who has leishmania, the dog we're adpoting is all sorted with vaccinations, a pet passport and is booked on a flight on the 15th September.Wondering if you can help me, I've had a bit of a run in with a dog charity trying to find a home for a leish +ve dog currently in France. They have been trying for several months to find a home for it in surrounding countries unsuccessfully cue several offers from those in the UK but they have told everyone they can't import into the UK.
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I queried this on fb only to have my comments deleted and then a private msg stating that I was incorrect that she may be able to be imported to UK and as they didn't want it to be about her illness they took my comments off and they hoped I didn't mind.
You are definitely able to import your dog I assume or have I made myself look stupid!! (not difficult!!)
Leishmania is spread via sandflys (which we don't have in the UK) and isn't contagious
From some of the links and other sources we have found out a fair bit and it's no where as scary as it sounds. I mean to come back and write a better more detailed reply shortly (I hate open ended posts where the OP never comes back - but we've just got back from our anniversary weekend away, so I promise to come back soon)
The group Jasandjules posted above seem very good with a lot of knowledgeable active members https://www.facebook.com/groups/447077055372021/
Edited by Buzz84 on Monday 29th August 21:42
Thankyou. I tried to advise this and that due to how it's spread it would be virtually impossible to passim to other dogs etc here but apparently the charity were told by DEFRA and vets that it would be irresponsible to import!!
I gave up after once she continued to lecture me about it all but I appreciate you confirming that I wasn't wrong!
Hope it all goes well. I guess the most important thing is finding a UK vet who is clued up on the disease.
I gave up after once she continued to lecture me about it all but I appreciate you confirming that I wasn't wrong!
Hope it all goes well. I guess the most important thing is finding a UK vet who is clued up on the disease.
Hi Bex, as I am doing more reading up I came across this which is from DEFRA
http://ahvla.defra.gov.uk/external-operations-admi...
Bottom of page 2 onto the top of page 3 says it's is fine to bring these animals in.
Someone on your page needs to do better research. At least this is some documented proof if you wish to go back to them, but from what you have said it may not be worth the effort if they are no narrow minded.
http://ahvla.defra.gov.uk/external-operations-admi...
Bottom of page 2 onto the top of page 3 says it's is fine to bring these animals in.
Someone on your page needs to do better research. At least this is some documented proof if you wish to go back to them, but from what you have said it may not be worth the effort if they are no narrow minded.
Edited by Buzz84 on Wednesday 31st August 12:01
Thank you, I really tried, she basically told me I was incorrect. She was dragging me into a debate that she stated she didn't want. I probably won't contact her again (she privately fb msg'd me and I have since blocked her!). If I see these dogs on another sighthound page I may try again.
However your info could be useful in my line of work
However your info could be useful in my line of work
Hi all
What a shame there is such confusing information for people trying to adopt from abroad. I adopted my Neville through Dog Watch and they were so helpful. And then my foster dog who had a very low count of Leish in his bloods. My vet was super and 'genned up' on it. I had a bad experience with insurance due to total lack of knowledge.
As I understand, it cannot be transmitted from dog to dog, or dog to human, only via the carrier (flies or ticks) which cannot survive in the UK. I was told by my vet that my foster 'been exposed' to leishmaniasis shows a low reading without being 'affected' by the condition - (rather like the cold sore virus lies dormant and then flares up). My foster Frankie had a low reading but wasn't affected so was put on Alopurinol to prevent it ever developing - this can be taken for years with no ill-effects. You can re-test every year to see if ongoing meds are needed as they can disappear (only 1 lab in UK does this and it is quite expensive). If a dog does have it untreated though it can take a long time to show and do some damage in the meantime to liver so it is not something to ignore, however it is not something to be frightened of as very manageable.
However, if you tell your insurance that there is ANY reading that the dog has been exposed to it (even though the dog does not 'have' it). They are likely to refuse insurance for anything - which is absurd.
I'm not a vet so I'm not sure this makes sense but please don't be put off adopting from abroad. Just make sure you have a full blood screening for Babesiosis, Leishmaniasis, Ehrlichiosis, Lyme Disease etc, in country so you know what you are taking on
What a shame there is such confusing information for people trying to adopt from abroad. I adopted my Neville through Dog Watch and they were so helpful. And then my foster dog who had a very low count of Leish in his bloods. My vet was super and 'genned up' on it. I had a bad experience with insurance due to total lack of knowledge.
As I understand, it cannot be transmitted from dog to dog, or dog to human, only via the carrier (flies or ticks) which cannot survive in the UK. I was told by my vet that my foster 'been exposed' to leishmaniasis shows a low reading without being 'affected' by the condition - (rather like the cold sore virus lies dormant and then flares up). My foster Frankie had a low reading but wasn't affected so was put on Alopurinol to prevent it ever developing - this can be taken for years with no ill-effects. You can re-test every year to see if ongoing meds are needed as they can disappear (only 1 lab in UK does this and it is quite expensive). If a dog does have it untreated though it can take a long time to show and do some damage in the meantime to liver so it is not something to ignore, however it is not something to be frightened of as very manageable.
However, if you tell your insurance that there is ANY reading that the dog has been exposed to it (even though the dog does not 'have' it). They are likely to refuse insurance for anything - which is absurd.
I'm not a vet so I'm not sure this makes sense but please don't be put off adopting from abroad. Just make sure you have a full blood screening for Babesiosis, Leishmaniasis, Ehrlichiosis, Lyme Disease etc, in country so you know what you are taking on
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