Training help please
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Right this little madam is so headstrong I'm having some severe issues here.
Logan was a dream to train.
Ok we've got sit, stay, leave is coming along... ish but
She goes intentionally deaf if she wants something or wants to do something. Logan from 8 or so weeks ears would go low if I used the voice and he'd stop whatever he's doing.
Jean just tries harder, she absolutely will not give in, if you try to physically restrain her then she literally throws a tantrum and tries another way of getting to what she wants she will not give up, Ever.
So what do I do? She's hard work lol
Logan was a dream to train.
Ok we've got sit, stay, leave is coming along... ish but
She goes intentionally deaf if she wants something or wants to do something. Logan from 8 or so weeks ears would go low if I used the voice and he'd stop whatever he's doing.
Jean just tries harder, she absolutely will not give in, if you try to physically restrain her then she literally throws a tantrum and tries another way of getting to what she wants she will not give up, Ever.
So what do I do? She's hard work lol
Edited by Pesty on Friday 18th November 18:44
Enrol in a good quality training class (ex police dog handlers sometimes do them) and do one to one classes, group classes will be to distracting.
In whippets it is generally felt the female is more aloof/ stubborn than males. I must say I tend to agree now I have one of each. Mabel isn't aloof so much as will respond to command in her own time and is a repeat offender!!
Funnily enough she is super responsive to commands when of lead
In whippets it is generally felt the female is more aloof/ stubborn than males. I must say I tend to agree now I have one of each. Mabel isn't aloof so much as will respond to command in her own time and is a repeat offender!!
Funnily enough she is super responsive to commands when of lead
bexVN said:
How stern is your voice? Mabel listens to me better than my hubby but that is because I can throw a very strong authorative voice when I need to (not very often glad to say)
Put it this way Logan leaves the room. I'm a large bloke and I can do quite a deep mean voice when I need to, always worked with Logan right from a pup. She literaly goes deaf, I've even tried nasty growling type voice when she's doing something that might hurt herself basically snarled at her like some kind of lunatic, I think most humans would walk out the room too, stern I can do. "The voice" is something I developed for Logan low pitched with a bit of a growl thrown in, stops him in his tracks. I've tried all happy upbeat friendly like I'm trying to get her to compete at crafts in flyball.
Logan can be stubborn if he wants something under the settee one word and he leaves, yeah he will sit there and stare at it but he will leave and do whatever I say. It's early days I wondering if it is something to do with being a pup with a larger dog around likes she's competing against him so goes like a bull in a China shop at things.
Edit.The strange thing is feeding time, something I did with Logan from a pup is made him sit,stay and leave then tell him to take for his food. Do it with her and she will sit and not move an inch until I say take. But when she wants to stick her head in the fire or eat kindling etc
Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 23 November 18:53
Fair enough 
My husband has a good strong voice when needed but I rarely hear it (bit of a shock when I do )
I do think some outside help would be beneficial. I am considering it for Mabel,she is great off lead but when she she sees another dog when on lead she goes really hyper and silly (friendly but too ott for many other dogs to cope with) it is a bit embarrassing. I had assumed having Bryn next to her who hardly reacts would show her how it's done but no such luck!!
My husband has a good strong voice when needed but I rarely hear it (bit of a shock when I do
) I do think some outside help would be beneficial. I am considering it for Mabel,she is great off lead but when she she sees another dog when on lead she goes really hyper and silly (friendly but too ott for many other dogs to cope with) it is a bit embarrassing. I had assumed having Bryn next to her who hardly reacts would show her how it's done but no such luck!!
We have a Husky that acts very similar to your dog OP,
We have recently taken on one to one training with a professional and the difference is astounding in my opinion.
The next big leap for our training is recall and if he can get ours to even attempt to recall I will be amazed.
I have problems getting ours to even come into back door as he just sits there looking at me even though i know he wants to come in its like mind games with a dog.
I can really recommend a one to one session with a trainer at some point to see how it goes.
We have recently taken on one to one training with a professional and the difference is astounding in my opinion.
The next big leap for our training is recall and if he can get ours to even attempt to recall I will be amazed.
I have problems getting ours to even come into back door as he just sits there looking at me even though i know he wants to come in its like mind games with a dog.
I can really recommend a one to one session with a trainer at some point to see how it goes.
South Yorkshire.
There has been some improvement she's calmed down a little. She's a lot better when on her own, definitely acts up when he's around gets hyper at times like she's having an ADHD meltdown.
It's such a strange thing not like any other dog I've encountered including Logan. When in the kitchen she will sit nice as pie like the best dog in the world , ditto when we are eating she sits nice and watches no begging just sits nice, you'd think that she was food orientated then but when she wants to play up she doesn't even notice food, it will,not distract her.
I'm sure it's just a puppy thing and she's just a bit more puppy in her than most. She is not a bull breed. Although there are some that claim the breed has bull in them others dispute it.
There has been some improvement she's calmed down a little. She's a lot better when on her own, definitely acts up when he's around gets hyper at times like she's having an ADHD meltdown.
It's such a strange thing not like any other dog I've encountered including Logan. When in the kitchen she will sit nice as pie like the best dog in the world , ditto when we are eating she sits nice and watches no begging just sits nice, you'd think that she was food orientated then but when she wants to play up she doesn't even notice food, it will,not distract her.
I'm sure it's just a puppy thing and she's just a bit more puppy in her than most. She is not a bull breed. Although there are some that claim the breed has bull in them others dispute it.
Took them both for a walk today. Two examples of the frustration and why.
First, she eats cow pats and horse poo... ok no problem Logan did that.
With Logan I used a correction spray, I only needed to spray it twice from then on just putting my hand in my pocket was enough. 3 and a half years later he still makes a wide ark around cow pats.
Jeans completely ignores it even when the other half basically sprayed it right next to her, ditto my most deepest angry growls. Will try bottle with stones but I already know that won't even make her flinch.
Second right from the start of the walk. Logan and every other dog I've know has got this.
On the lead I want her to sit, for sitting she get the lead off and a treat. Two rewards
Logan got this in minutes her oh no, no chance.
Of the leads she's perfect when out you'd think she was a model dog, I don't even need to recall now, all I have to do is stop walking and she comes back. She will sit and let me put the lead on etc.
First, she eats cow pats and horse poo... ok no problem Logan did that.
With Logan I used a correction spray, I only needed to spray it twice from then on just putting my hand in my pocket was enough. 3 and a half years later he still makes a wide ark around cow pats.
Jeans completely ignores it even when the other half basically sprayed it right next to her, ditto my most deepest angry growls. Will try bottle with stones but I already know that won't even make her flinch.
Second right from the start of the walk. Logan and every other dog I've know has got this.
On the lead I want her to sit, for sitting she get the lead off and a treat. Two rewards
Logan got this in minutes her oh no, no chance.
Of the leads she's perfect when out you'd think she was a model dog, I don't even need to recall now, all I have to do is stop walking and she comes back. She will sit and let me put the lead on etc.
Firstly - been off the forum for a while and totally missed the arrival of Jean! She is gorgeous!
The selective hearing and no fear of the stern voice seems to be a girl thing, we've had the same in our house. Moss stops in his tracks when he hears the stern voice, whereas Cali doesn't even flinch. Outside the house she's a model dog!
What is working for us is one on one training, I spend time with her whilst the OH has Moss and we practice recall, no, leave and quiet She's a lot more responsive now. While she does love a treat, she isn't quite as food oriented as Moss is and she'll do commands for fuss as the reward.
The selective hearing and no fear of the stern voice seems to be a girl thing, we've had the same in our house. Moss stops in his tracks when he hears the stern voice, whereas Cali doesn't even flinch. Outside the house she's a model dog!
What is working for us is one on one training, I spend time with her whilst the OH has Moss and we practice recall, no, leave and quiet
She's a lot more responsive now. While she does love a treat, she isn't quite as food oriented as Moss is and she'll do commands for fuss as the reward.Thanks yeahs she's not bad looking
Yes, away from him a lot better behaved. Seem to be making small progress every day. Her recall is excellent but I definitely do not trust her to be off the lead where other dogs are, I know she will be a deaf missile.
Was very good out but today we took her in the pub, me and Logan have been hiding from her on a Sunday with a long walk and a pint. She was a handful and actually so was he. Without her there he just sits nice as pie.
Now tell me about 'quiet' she's actually hurt my left ear, she has a high pitch bark that can shatter glass and in the car barks none stop in my left ear. In the house barks in Logan's face. Logan is practically silent unless somebody walks past.
Butter wouldn't melt
Yes, away from him a lot better behaved. Seem to be making small progress every day. Her recall is excellent but I definitely do not trust her to be off the lead where other dogs are, I know she will be a deaf missile.
Was very good out but today we took her in the pub, me and Logan have been hiding from her on a Sunday with a long walk and a pint. She was a handful and actually so was he. Without her there he just sits nice as pie.
Now tell me about 'quiet' she's actually hurt my left ear, she has a high pitch bark that can shatter glass and in the car barks none stop in my left ear. In the house barks in Logan's face. Logan is practically silent unless somebody walks past.
Butter wouldn't melt
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