Borderdoodles, colliepoos etc
Discussion
Kinderpup said:
best bit is they are one of the most robust, affectionate, loving loyal, cuddle monsters that have ever existed. I would recommend a staffie for any one, there reputation is not fair and massively over hyped by the media, i have never met a bad or aggressive staff, but i've met some awful staff owners.
100% agree with this, I have a mastiff x staffie and he's the soppiest most loyal dog ive ever owned and he barely sheds. He's cuddled up next to me dreaming away right now, but 10 minutes ago he was barking at the door scaring away some door to door salesman bless him 
While out and about he just wants to meet everyone and get a cuddle but he is also very protective as I found out when someone tried to mug me late at night whilst walking him..
bexVN said:
Blackpuddin said:
Ridiculous uninformed nonsense here about cockerpoos. We have one and she is a fantastic little dog in every way.
Where is the uniformed nonsense?? You obviously didn't read my comment for one.
Blackpuddin said:
bexVN said:
Blackpuddin said:
Ridiculous uninformed nonsense here about cockerpoos. We have one and she is a fantastic little dog in every way.
Where is the uniformed nonsense?? You obviously didn't read my comment for one.
Though starting the sentence with 'some' would have better as it still implies everyone.
aren't most dog breeds around today technically 'Mongrels' if people want to go down the cross breed line?
Descended from wolves and then into a few main breeds such as the akita, malmute and Husky. Common dogs such as labradors and alsatians are cross bred at some point in the past to create what we have today.
My modern day understanding was that a mongrel was a dog of unknown parentage
Descended from wolves and then into a few main breeds such as the akita, malmute and Husky. Common dogs such as labradors and alsatians are cross bred at some point in the past to create what we have today.
My modern day understanding was that a mongrel was a dog of unknown parentage
Brads67 said:
bexVN said:
Where is the uniformed nonsense??
You obviously didn't read my comment for one.
Nor mine.You obviously didn't read my comment for one.
They may be lovely but they are a designer cross to make money . Basically an overpriced mongrel.
Nowt wrong with owning a mongrel, but I`d rather not get owned whilst buying one.
If crossbreeds are "overpriced" compared to a mongrel why don't we consider pedigree dogs overpriced also? How many people show their pets at Crufts?
I accept for some types litters are small and therefore supply and demand has an effect but I could then say why choose that breed? Ah but you want one and therefore why shouldn't you have one and therefore will pay the price... Hmm well maybe people also want a cross breed?
I know I've over simplified it but a good breeder with healthy dogs and good provenance should always attract a premium whatever the type, pedigree, cross breed or full Heinz 57. It's just our own misplaced perception surely that pedigree is worth the (considerably extra) money?
eatcustard said:
Crossbreeds are just mutts no ifs no buts.
You have Pedigrees or Mutts.
CockerPoos are Mutts and people are asking silly money for them, crazy if you ask me.
Sorry for my rant
Rant away You have Pedigrees or Mutts.
CockerPoos are Mutts and people are asking silly money for them, crazy if you ask me.
Sorry for my rant
BUT .... what's the real difference? By definition you're probably rIght (what is the definition of mutt? - cba to check); you didn't answer the question.
The question I effectively posed is why can you ask "silly money" for pedigree and not cross breeds or even any "mutt"? Doesn't seem to be any real logic to me.
I guess with a pedigree you can go back down the lineage a long way, finding champions and eliminating any unwanted genes.
Can't do it with 'real' mongrels.
I discounted two Lagotto due to the fact info on one grandparent was missing.
These dogs can have a defective gene which I really wanted to avoid.
Although, living with this one for 3 months now, he seems to be missing part of his brain.
No paperwork or money could ever tell you that...
Can't do it with 'real' mongrels.
I discounted two Lagotto due to the fact info on one grandparent was missing.
These dogs can have a defective gene which I really wanted to avoid.
Although, living with this one for 3 months now, he seems to be missing part of his brain.
No paperwork or money could ever tell you that...
Boshly said:
The question I effectively posed is why can you ask "silly money" for pedigree and not cross breeds or even any "mutt"? Doesn't seem to be any real logic to me.
I think what people are getting at on here is not that the "designer breeds" such as cockapoos, sproodles etc are expensive as such but they are often more than the pedigree breeds they are bred from. I know its not exhaustive and there are many variables but a quick local search on pups for sale.com or whatever its called that no-one in their right mind would buy a pup from shows:Sproodles - £325-£1200
Pedigree ESS - £175-£750
Pedigree Poodle - £250-£800
Cockapoo - £650-£1250
Cocker Spanner - £250-£950
Poodle - £250-£800
chrisga said:
I think what people are getting at on here is not that the "designer breeds" such as cockapoos, sproodles etc are expensive as such but they are often more than the pedigree breeds they are bred from. I know its not exhaustive and there are many variables but a quick local search on pups for sale.com or whatever its called that no-one in their right mind would buy a pup from shows:
Sproodles - £325-£1200
Pedigree ESS - £175-£750
Pedigree Poodle - £250-£800
Cockapoo - £650-£1250
Cocker Spanner - £250-£950
Poodle - £250-£800
Fair enough - does seem out of kilter Sproodles - £325-£1200
Pedigree ESS - £175-£750
Pedigree Poodle - £250-£800
Cockapoo - £650-£1250
Cocker Spanner - £250-£950
Poodle - £250-£800
A friend has the offspring of a Mini Poodle and a Brussels Griffon. The most lovely dog I've ever met in my life. Character and personality beyond mere words. Athletic, intelligent, loyal, good natured and 100% non shedding.
Never seen any advertised in the U.K. tho there's a few in NZ.
Never seen any advertised in the U.K. tho there's a few in NZ.
LiamB said:
Kinderpup said:
best bit is they are one of the most robust, affectionate, loving loyal, cuddle monsters that have ever existed. I would recommend a staffie for any one, there reputation is not fair and massively over hyped by the media, i have never met a bad or aggressive staff, but i've met some awful staff owners.
100% agree with this, I have a mastiff x staffie and he's the soppiest most loyal dog ive ever owned and he barely sheds. He's cuddled up next to me dreaming away right now, but 10 minutes ago he was barking at the door scaring away some door to door salesman bless him While out and about he just wants to meet everyone and get a cuddle but he is also very protective as I found out when someone tried to mug me late at night whilst walking him..
We have a schnoodle and he's a great little chap. A very calm and measured dog who has just turned 10 months. It's nice to have a non shedding breed and he hit the 'sweet spot' as I wanted a schnauzer and the wife wanted a poodle.
I don't see dog breads or crosses as 'prestige' and yes for the money we paid we could have probable has whatever we wanted. He is to me a dog with the attributes I felt worked best for our situation.
I don't see dog breads or crosses as 'prestige' and yes for the money we paid we could have probable has whatever we wanted. He is to me a dog with the attributes I felt worked best for our situation.
Brads67 said:
You don`t have a Schnoodle or whatever, you have a mongrel.
Giving it a label doesn`t make it a designer dog.
Hope you enjoy the mut. Just don`t breed off it for profit. .
No he has a Schnoodle. If he wants to call the dog a Schnoodle he can call it a Schnoodle. Giving it a label doesn`t make it a designer dog.
Hope you enjoy the mut. Just don`t breed off it for profit. .
No one is arguing that it's not a mongrel in the actual definition of the word (even though mongrel is generally used for a dog of unknown breeding or multiple traditional breed mixes) and calling it a Schnoodle gives an idea of the dogs breeding/background and more importantly type. If you feel you have to add a definition as well then try cross breed, which again is more accurately descriptive.
What's to stop me creating my own dog breed? Who has the right to say I can't name it what I damn well like? Whether you (or others) choose to accept/like/support thst choice is up to you. And please don't bring the Kennel Club into this as that opens a completely new can of worms.
You seem to have a real issue with this? No one is infringing on your right to own whatever dog you want; Just live and let live FFS.
Oh and PS he can breed off it for profit if he damn well likes.
We have a poodle only because we could not make our minds up which type of cross would suit us best. While out walking our toy poodle (which has turned out larger than average,) we have met many poodle crosses most of which are lovely dogs.The main problem is the owners of purebred poodles who get very up tight about cross bred dogs and ours as he's not cut and shaved (Poodle style!) and as one owner put it could be seen has a crossbred OMG who give a flying f k what people think it is,it is a lovely small dog with great character,endless energy which gets us out of the house,funny enough the same as most of the crossbred dogs.Just one last thing as this is a car forum engine swops and rebuilds to change the base car are follow on though years of building and fettling so us as car guys should be more open to this dog tuning !
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