Discussion
moorx said:
Why does anyone 'need' any dog?
Work and/or companionshipMine does both
Guarding, fighting, pulling sleds, ratting and hunting are surplus to requirements in most domestic situations and can lead to problems which tend to be denied by people who like the look/image of the breed
oddman said:
moorx said:
Why does anyone 'need' any dog?
Work and/or companionshipMine does both
Guarding, fighting, pulling sleds, ratting and hunting are surplus to requirements in most domestic situations and can lead to problems which tend to be denied by people who like the look/image of the breed
By your reasoning, because I don't race my greyhounds or whippets, I shouldn't have them.
moorx said:
I agree, but you seem to be suggesting 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'. Just because someone doesn't utilise their dog for the purpose it was originally bred for, doesn't mean that they can't have an understanding of the breed traits and an appreciation of what that breed/type needs. There are irresponsible owners of all types of dogs.
By your reasoning, because I don't race my greyhounds or whippets, I shouldn't have them.
Doesn't need to be used or worked to the original purpose but needs exercise and training to keep them happy and healthy. By your reasoning, because I don't race my greyhounds or whippets, I shouldn't have them.
Most gun dogs will never retrieve a pheasant but have the temperament to respond well in a family home where there is exercise and work type training
I've nothing against sight hounds but it's mostly illegal for them to do what they are bred to do (racing, coursing and hunting). Someone has to deal with retired dogs - fair play if you give them home. Unfortunately our politicians and animal rights activists have made them obsolete. If we could see into the future, I doubt if we would recognise a 'greyhound' 100 years from now.
oddman said:
Doesn't need to be used or worked to the original purpose but needs exercise and training to keep them happy and healthy.
Most gun dogs will never retrieve a pheasant but have the temperament to respond well in a family home where there is exercise and work type training
I've nothing against sight hounds but it's mostly illegal for them to do what they are bred to do (racing, coursing and hunting). Someone has to deal with retired dogs - fair play if you give them home. Unfortunately our politicians and animal rights activists have made them obsolete. If we could see into the future, I doubt if we would recognise a 'greyhound' 100 years from now.
You may view it is unfortunate, I certainly don't. The sooner greyhound racing becomes obsolete the better as far as I'm concerned. Likewise with coursing and hunting. Greyhounds and lurchers are generally treated appallingly by those who race or work them (I've owned enough to have personal experience of this). Knowing what dogs you have and what you do with them, we're unlikely to have similar viewpoints, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.Most gun dogs will never retrieve a pheasant but have the temperament to respond well in a family home where there is exercise and work type training
I've nothing against sight hounds but it's mostly illegal for them to do what they are bred to do (racing, coursing and hunting). Someone has to deal with retired dogs - fair play if you give them home. Unfortunately our politicians and animal rights activists have made them obsolete. If we could see into the future, I doubt if we would recognise a 'greyhound' 100 years from now.
zapbranny said:
alfie2244 said:
zapbranny said:
alfie2244 said:
Beni997 said:
This does my head in!
We have 3 big dogs, one is always on a lead because he is so naughty off it. One is on and off the lead as he is that old that he's deaf and just wonders off so it's easier to have him on the lead. The other is never on his lead as he's the youngest and is very well behaved off his lead so he needs a good run round.
He is a big powerful dog but loves attention and people and other dogs. So when he see's another dog/person he goes running over to just say hello and has never shown any aggression, but jesus christ some reactions we get is ridiculous. It's normally people with little dogs who start screaming when he comes over and pick their dog up and run away!!
He then thinks it's a game and chases them until i get to him or shout him and i get the he should be on a lead comment in an aggressive manner! Why i ask and the normal reply i get is that he's big and could do some damage!!!
If he was nasty do you think i would have him off the lead???
Some people are just brain dead
Very much mirrors my experiences with our big fella.............he is the kindest friendliest dog you could ever wish to meet but the extreme reactions of some, usually with little dogs, are beyond belief. We have 3 big dogs, one is always on a lead because he is so naughty off it. One is on and off the lead as he is that old that he's deaf and just wonders off so it's easier to have him on the lead. The other is never on his lead as he's the youngest and is very well behaved off his lead so he needs a good run round.
He is a big powerful dog but loves attention and people and other dogs. So when he see's another dog/person he goes running over to just say hello and has never shown any aggression, but jesus christ some reactions we get is ridiculous. It's normally people with little dogs who start screaming when he comes over and pick their dog up and run away!!
He then thinks it's a game and chases them until i get to him or shout him and i get the he should be on a lead comment in an aggressive manner! Why i ask and the normal reply i get is that he's big and could do some damage!!!
If he was nasty do you think i would have him off the lead???
Some people are just brain dead
Ironically he has been attacked a couple of times yet stands there without a clue as to what to do..........by Rottweilers, Alsatians or other large dogs I hear you ask? Oh no Jack Russells and other assorted nasty terriers....go figure!
Swinging a small dog around your head does seem to get him excited though.
Slightly off topic but another thing that annoys me.......parents not allowing their children, under controlled conditions, to fuss or stroke my dogs despite my confirmation that they are 100% friendly and adore kids..................oh no he / she is frightened of dogs - what a shame.
If I've never met you or your dog before, how the hell am I supposed to know that either you are not a brain dead chav owner or the dog is not a liability. Case in point, walking with my 4 year old and 1 yr old in a pushchair public footpath, Large Mastiff charges up 30 m ahead of owner off the lead growling. I stepped in front of my daughter and the dog stopped short. I wasn't going to take a chance that it wanted to sniff my daughter, it could have maimed her for life. I told the owner in no uncertain terms that she should leash it, and it was lucky it pulled up or I would have killed it. I've seen so many idiots in public there is no way I'm going to trust anyone else's judgement when it comes to my family.
For reference you are wrong letting your dog off a lead to approach anyone and it is classed as being out of control see https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/controlling-y... for reference.
When is your dog 'under control'?
A dog is considered ‘under control’ if it is on a lead held by someone able to control the dog. For example, a large dog would not be under control if its lead was held by a child who would be unable to restrain the dog if it strained against the lead.
It isn't necessary for dogs to be leashed at all times. However, dogs must be kept on a lead in designated pedestrian zones and on land where livestock is present. Councils have bye-laws to indicate areas where leashing is required, such as in public parks.
The pic I posted showed my 4yr old grandaughter holding his lead....you / others may not be very bright but I can assure you I would not let her hold him if there was even a 1% chance he would go out of her control.
I have owned dogs for over 50 yrs and never had one start a fight, be aggressive towards people or other dogs and I take great exception to your statement "The pair of you are appear to be clueless and your post epitomises everything that is wrong irresponsible dog owners.
The owners that do really grate on me.additionally If you have a bigger more powerful dog its just a statement of fact but if the dog Could do a lot more damage to my child before I could kill it hence it is a greater threat and why you need to leash it. iI've owned dogs in the past and witnessed and assisted after horrific dog attack which nearly killed the owner. It's just being sensible and not being an irresponsible dick. How many times have you heard stories in the paper after kids have been attacked by dogs, "he was always such a good boy", "he's never done that before". Dogs can be dangerous and need to be treated with respect.
As an analogy Have you ever been a pub and spotted the guy getting drunker and louder, and been aware that he is going to be spoiling to start trouble, you either leave or get the hits in first before you are on the receiving end. A loose large dog is this situation except much more difficult to read.
alfie2244 said:
Slightly off topic but another thing that annoys me.......parents not allowing their children, under controlled conditions, to fuss or stroke my dogs despite my confirmation that they are 100% friendly and adore kids..................oh no he / she is frightened of dogs - what a shame.
And when parents take their kids to a place popular with off the lead dog walkers and every time a dog walks past them the kid cries and gets picked up because they are scared of dogs. Absolutely baffles me jonamv8 said:
Haha
I get this a bit in a huge park with my lab, people scared when he runs over to play and say hi. He is a lab what do you expect they are hardly aggressive dogs
Did you not read anything anyone else wrote.I get this a bit in a huge park with my lab, people scared when he runs over to play and say hi. He is a lab what do you expect they are hardly aggressive dogs
You know your dog, others do not. You know hes friendly, other people do not.
Don't allow him/her to run up to other people, you have no idea what bad experience they have suffered in the past, and its completely irresponsible behavior to not keep your dog under control, and allowing it to charge up to other people, is not under control.
You also have no idea what the other dog is like, my Mal does not like other dogs running up to her and yelping in her face, like most of her breed she is an excellent family pet, but does not do well with other unknown dogs charging at her, and often will snap at them if they don't leave her a be.
mangos said:
alfie2244 said:
Slightly off topic but another thing that annoys me.......parents not allowing their children, under controlled conditions, to fuss or stroke my dogs despite my confirmation that they are 100% friendly and adore kids..................oh no he / she is frightened of dogs - what a shame.
And when parents take their kids to a place popular with off the lead dog walkers and every time a dog walks past them the kid cries and gets picked up because they are scared of dogs. Absolutely baffles me Consequently he goes mad, child shrieks, dogs think it is a game and get over excited, I have tried telling him and his wife (who agrees with me but won't say anything to him) that if the dogs are ignored they will have a sniff and wander off, but I think with the childs reaction we are beyond that now.
The plus in all of this is he hardly comes round anymore as there is no way we are shutting the dogs away when he is here.
HTP99 said:
mangos said:
alfie2244 said:
Slightly off topic but another thing that annoys me.......parents not allowing their children, under controlled conditions, to fuss or stroke my dogs despite my confirmation that they are 100% friendly and adore kids..................oh no he / she is frightened of dogs - what a shame.
And when parents take their kids to a place popular with off the lead dog walkers and every time a dog walks past them the kid cries and gets picked up because they are scared of dogs. Absolutely baffles me Consequently he goes mad, child shrieks, dogs think it is a game and get over excited, I have tried telling him and his wife (who agrees with me but won't say anything to him) that if the dogs are ignored they will have a sniff and wander off, but I think with the childs reaction we are beyond that now.
The plus in all of this is he hardly comes round anymore as there is no way we are shutting the dogs away when he is here.
mangos said:
alfie2244 said:
Slightly off topic but another thing that annoys me.......parents not allowing their children, under controlled conditions, to fuss or stroke my dogs despite my confirmation that they are 100% friendly and adore kids..................oh no he / she is frightened of dogs - what a shame.
And when parents take their kids to a place popular with off the lead dog walkers and every time a dog walks past them the kid cries and gets picked up because they are scared of dogs. Absolutely baffles me My 3yo grandson absolutely loves our dogs and they love him, when he comes round the first thing he does is asks for them; if they don't greet him first, usually Barry will be there but as Daisy is deaf she won't hear him arrive.
If they are annoying him he will just push them away and they will wander off.
If they are annoying him he will just push them away and they will wander off.
zapbranny said:
The pair of you are appear to be clueless and your post epitomises everything that is wrong irresponsible dog owners.
If I've never met you or your dog before, how the hell am I supposed to know that either you are not a brain dead chav owner or the dog is not a liability. Case in point, walking with my 4 year old and 1 yr old in a pushchair public footpath, Large Mastiff charges up 30 m ahead of owner off the lead growling. I stepped in front of my daughter and the dog stopped short. I wasn't going to take a chance that it wanted to sniff my daughter, it could have maimed her for life. I told the owner in no uncertain terms that she should leash it, and it was lucky it pulled up or I would have killed it. I've seen so many idiots in public there is no way I'm going to trust anyone else's judgement when it comes to my family.
Literally all you are achieving is passing on your unsubstantiated worthless paranoid issues on to your daughter, well done If I've never met you or your dog before, how the hell am I supposed to know that either you are not a brain dead chav owner or the dog is not a liability. Case in point, walking with my 4 year old and 1 yr old in a pushchair public footpath, Large Mastiff charges up 30 m ahead of owner off the lead growling. I stepped in front of my daughter and the dog stopped short. I wasn't going to take a chance that it wanted to sniff my daughter, it could have maimed her for life. I told the owner in no uncertain terms that she should leash it, and it was lucky it pulled up or I would have killed it. I've seen so many idiots in public there is no way I'm going to trust anyone else's judgement when it comes to my family.
I'll take your word for it that the dog was growling, even so its a fair step to 'maining for life', but if your 'go-to' response is assessing how long it would take you to kill an approaching dog then you have issues my friend.
It really doesn't seem very hard.
If you see a baby or small child, you put your dog on a leash regardless of size, how well behaved/friendly you think it is, whether you're in a field/in a wood or any other special place that you seem to think dogs have some kind of priority over humans. By all means see if the parents are ok with the child being introduced to a dog. If so introduce it, let them pat it and reassure the kid that he's friendly. This is a future dog owner, try and make the experience a good one.
Letting your dog run off lead near children is not good for the children or as pointed out in earlier post, not likely to be good for your dog or indeed you. I'm fairly sure I would not take kindly to a dog being allowed to run up to my kids when they were small. It would be removed from the situation sharpish - shame as it's the owner's and not the dog's fault. Same dog on a leash coming up and being introduced responsibly, regardless of breed; fantastic.
Same rules generally apply to dogs being walked on leads.
If you see a baby or small child, you put your dog on a leash regardless of size, how well behaved/friendly you think it is, whether you're in a field/in a wood or any other special place that you seem to think dogs have some kind of priority over humans. By all means see if the parents are ok with the child being introduced to a dog. If so introduce it, let them pat it and reassure the kid that he's friendly. This is a future dog owner, try and make the experience a good one.
Letting your dog run off lead near children is not good for the children or as pointed out in earlier post, not likely to be good for your dog or indeed you. I'm fairly sure I would not take kindly to a dog being allowed to run up to my kids when they were small. It would be removed from the situation sharpish - shame as it's the owner's and not the dog's fault. Same dog on a leash coming up and being introduced responsibly, regardless of breed; fantastic.
Same rules generally apply to dogs being walked on leads.
alfie2244 said:
Really is a shame to deprive kids of the opportunity to interact with dogs / animals...... Ours gravitates towards the vulnerable, young, old, disabled and we are seriously thinking of using him as a PAT dog................visiting hospitals / old peoples' homes might keep me off here for a bit
Stop thinking and just do it.I have had two of mine as PAT dogs at the local hospice. Flat coated retriever & black lab.
It was a wonderful experience and I feel I got more out of it than the patients.
My cocker, who would make a wonderful PST dog failed his assessment as he tapped the assessor's leg with his paw. Whilst very appealing, this is now a no no.
Edited by garythesign on Saturday 7th January 12:13
ben5575 said:
It really doesn't seem very hard.
If you see a baby or small child, you put your dog on a leash regardless of size, how well behaved/friendly you think it is, whether you're in a field/in a wood or any other special place that you seem to think dogs have some kind of priority over humans. By all means see if the parents are ok with the child being introduced to a dog. If so introduce it, let them pat it and reassure the kid that he's friendly. This is a future dog owner, try and make the experience a good one.
Letting your dog run off lead near children is not good for the children or as pointed out in earlier post, not likely to be good for your dog or indeed you. I'm fairly sure I would not take kindly to a dog being allowed to run up to my kids when they were small. It would be removed from the situation sharpish - shame as it's the owner's and not the dog's fault. Same dog on a leash coming up and being introduced responsibly, regardless of breed; fantastic.
Same rules generally apply to dogs being walked on leads.
Exactly, if the parents and child are willing, and only then, is he allowed to approach, regardless of how much our dog wants to say hello. If they don't want, well it's a disappointment for the dog, but he is given training treats to keep his attention elsewhere and so it's still a positive experience for him. If they are agreeable, then during the interaction at some point, again if the parents and children are willing, then the kids are offered treats to give to him. Plus as he's a slobbery git, some tissues and hand sanitiser to clean up hands afterwards if they wish, in my book it's just being responsible, nice and polite.If you see a baby or small child, you put your dog on a leash regardless of size, how well behaved/friendly you think it is, whether you're in a field/in a wood or any other special place that you seem to think dogs have some kind of priority over humans. By all means see if the parents are ok with the child being introduced to a dog. If so introduce it, let them pat it and reassure the kid that he's friendly. This is a future dog owner, try and make the experience a good one.
Letting your dog run off lead near children is not good for the children or as pointed out in earlier post, not likely to be good for your dog or indeed you. I'm fairly sure I would not take kindly to a dog being allowed to run up to my kids when they were small. It would be removed from the situation sharpish - shame as it's the owner's and not the dog's fault. Same dog on a leash coming up and being introduced responsibly, regardless of breed; fantastic.
Same rules generally apply to dogs being walked on leads.
Well unsurprisingly a mixed set of opinion's, but to me, right or wrong dog's like horse's, humans and many other creatures with brains and minds of their own are first and foremost unpredictable, no matter how well you think they are trained. Should your pet want to approach anyone else for fuss and affection, you need to know if the over party are receptive to the animal, so in public places dogs should be under control at ALL times, if that means being leashed until an appropriate time and place, so be it.
rigga said:
Well unsurprisingly a mixed set of opinion's, but to me, right or wrong dog's like horse's, humans and many other creatures with brains and minds of their own are first and foremost unpredictable, no matter how well you think they are trained. Should your pet want to approach anyone else for fuss and affection, you need to know if the over party are receptive to the animal, so in public places dogs should be under control at ALL times, if that means being leashed until an appropriate time and place, so be it.
Very much this.ben5575 said:
Letting your dog run off lead near children is not good for the children or as pointed out in earlier post, not likely to be good for your dog or indeed you. I'm fairly sure I would not take kindly to a dog being allowed to run up to my kids when they were small. It would be removed from the situation sharpish - shame as it's the owner's and not the dog's fault. Same dog on a leash coming up and being introduced responsibly, regardless of breed; fantastic.
Same rules generally apply to dogs being walked on leads.
There's a lot of keyboard bravado being displayed on this thread and ironically I'm going to add some more (!)Same rules generally apply to dogs being walked on leads.
My dog is as placid and lovely as they come, she prefers people to other dogs, I get compliments about her nature all the time. But lets say you and I are walking in the same area and she was running towards your kids, nothing more - you are seriously saying you'd 'remove her from the equation sharpish'? Have you listened to yourself? What does that even mean?
Also does it make a difference to your imagined reaction who's with the dog? Are you 'fairly sure' you'd take the same action whether its a 6'4" bloke (me) or a 70 year old woman? Worth noting that if you were to punch or kick my dog, I'll be punching you which is a really unpleasant scenario however it goes.
Edited by Marvtec on Saturday 7th January 21:57
Gassing Station | All Creatures Great & Small | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff