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"Inside of a Dog" is well worth a read. Dogs have to learn the protocol for approaching each other while puppies and if one doesn't follow it, the other can see it as a threat.
For commercial reasons many puppies are separated from their mother and siblings before they've had a chance to learn the rules.
For commercial reasons many puppies are separated from their mother and siblings before they've had a chance to learn the rules.
Pesty said:
Logan's recal is spot in I can stop him in his tracks. If he's about 20-30 meters away and another dog appears he will come back. He's very rarely further way from me than a few meters and I tend to walk were I have a good view because he can be aggressive to dogs that stare him out.
So when I see another dog I call him and make a big show of putting him in the lead so the other owners can see me doing it.
They don't bother putting theirs on which now creates a problem as on the lead he's more likely to feel cornered.
So I shout can you put your dog in a lead mine can be a bit funny. they usually reply is oh they'll be alright .
No they won't he might look cute but he's very powerful.
Last time this happened black lab came up to the front I was crouched pushing it away holding Logan back asking the owner to call he didn't .
The lab went around the back of Logan, Logan snapped but as I had my hand I front of his mouth he got me. I'm in blood thinners it looked like a horror scene.
Oh your dog not friendly then. He said, blood everywhere.
It seems simple to me if the other dog is off the lead and yours is friendly leave it off. If the other dog is on one put it on.
Not hard.
I also won't let Logan run up to strangers without dogs, you don't know if they would appreciate it.
I have to say that I have never come across such a scenario in over 40 years of dog ownership, but would totally respect your explained wish for me to put my dog on a lead in the park to allow you to pass. If any dog is capable of getting so stressed so quickly and drawing blood merely due to the presence of another dog though then maybe a device to protect against this would be appropriate as the behaviour is quite away from the norm.So when I see another dog I call him and make a big show of putting him in the lead so the other owners can see me doing it.
They don't bother putting theirs on which now creates a problem as on the lead he's more likely to feel cornered.
So I shout can you put your dog in a lead mine can be a bit funny. they usually reply is oh they'll be alright .
No they won't he might look cute but he's very powerful.
Last time this happened black lab came up to the front I was crouched pushing it away holding Logan back asking the owner to call he didn't .
The lab went around the back of Logan, Logan snapped but as I had my hand I front of his mouth he got me. I'm in blood thinners it looked like a horror scene.
Oh your dog not friendly then. He said, blood everywhere.
It seems simple to me if the other dog is off the lead and yours is friendly leave it off. If the other dog is on one put it on.
Not hard.
I also won't let Logan run up to strangers without dogs, you don't know if they would appreciate it.
If dogs do have genuine issues then I don't think passing the buck to the owners of the vast majority of balanced and naturally sociable/curious dogs is the solution. Mine will bound up to most other dogs in the park, most will then do what they do naturally and perform their little rituals and some will go on to have a play and a run with him. This is natural and normal behavior - restraint, fear and leashing is not. He may go up to an old leashed dog that has no time for sociable youngsters - he will pick up on that and be gone in seconds mumbling 'boring'! He has good recall and I do recall him if another owner is looking stressy or think he's going to eat their Chihuahua rather than sniff their bottom and play with them!
The only issue we ever had was a French Mastiff bounding over whilst mine was playing with some other dogs and picked up 1 of this little old ladies' 3 jumpered poodles in his mouth. I dragged it off the poodle and told the owner that a dog capable of that should be muzzled and never let off the lead and if I ever saw it again unrestrained I would follow up with the cops etc To be fair he was mortified and quite shocked and totally agreed. So its about restraining those with issues and not those without? Does this angst all stem from lack of proper socialising as puppies?
Ken Figenus said:
I have to say that I have never come across such a scenario in over 40 years of dog ownership, but would totally respect your explained wish for me to put my dog on a lead in the park to allow you to pass. If any dog is capable of getting so stressed so quickly and drawing blood merely due to the presence of another dog though then maybe a device to protect against this would be appropriate as the behaviour is quite away from the norm.
If dogs do have genuine issues then I don't think passing the buck to the owners of the vast majority of balanced and naturally sociable/curious dogs is the solution. Mine will bound up to most other dogs in the park, most will then do what they do naturally and perform their little rituals and some will go on to have a play and a run with him. This is natural and normal behavior - restraint, fear and leashing is not. He may go up to an old leashed dog that has no time for sociable youngsters - he will pick up on that and be gone in seconds mumbling 'boring'! He has good recall and I do recall him if another owner is looking stressy or think he's going to eat their Chihuahua rather than sniff their bottom and play with them!
The only issue we ever had was a French Mastiff bounding over whilst mine was playing with some other dogs and picked up 1 of this little old ladies' 3 jumpered poodles in his mouth. I dragged it off the poodle and told the owner that a dog capable of that should be muzzled and never let off the lead and if I ever saw it again unrestrained I would follow up with the cops etc To be fair he was mortified and quite shocked and totally agreed. So its about restraining those with issues and not those without? Does this angst all stem from lack of proper socialising as puppies?
Quite possibly - of course those of us who did not take on their dogs as puppies can't know what socialising (if any) they had.If dogs do have genuine issues then I don't think passing the buck to the owners of the vast majority of balanced and naturally sociable/curious dogs is the solution. Mine will bound up to most other dogs in the park, most will then do what they do naturally and perform their little rituals and some will go on to have a play and a run with him. This is natural and normal behavior - restraint, fear and leashing is not. He may go up to an old leashed dog that has no time for sociable youngsters - he will pick up on that and be gone in seconds mumbling 'boring'! He has good recall and I do recall him if another owner is looking stressy or think he's going to eat their Chihuahua rather than sniff their bottom and play with them!
The only issue we ever had was a French Mastiff bounding over whilst mine was playing with some other dogs and picked up 1 of this little old ladies' 3 jumpered poodles in his mouth. I dragged it off the poodle and told the owner that a dog capable of that should be muzzled and never let off the lead and if I ever saw it again unrestrained I would follow up with the cops etc To be fair he was mortified and quite shocked and totally agreed. So its about restraining those with issues and not those without? Does this angst all stem from lack of proper socialising as puppies?
For me - it's pretty simple. It's down to common courtesy. If someone has their dog on a lead, it's probably for a reason - you may not agree with that reason but respect it. Keep your dog under control (not necessarily on a lead, just under control).
In an ideal world, all dogs would get on with each other. It's not an ideal world. I don't like everyone I meet
and there are plenty of people who I wouldn't want 'in my face', why should my dogs be any different?Sadly there are people who don't think they need to control their dogs (who may be friendly/harmless) and who object to being asked politely to call their dogs away. Or they say 'It'll do him/her good to be told off' - sorry, I don't want my dogs put in that position, thanks. Also, I view my walks as time to myself with my dogs; I don't really want to share it with anyone else except family or friends and their dogs.
It's one of the reasons why I am glad we now have our own land where we can exercise our dogs without meeting anyone else. Anti-social? Probably
moorx said:
Ken Figenus said:
I have to say that I have never come across such a scenario in over 40 years of dog ownership, but would totally respect your explained wish for me to put my dog on a lead in the park to allow you to pass. If any dog is capable of getting so stressed so quickly and drawing blood merely due to the presence of another dog though then maybe a device to protect against this would be appropriate as the behaviour is quite away from the norm.
If dogs do have genuine issues then I don't think passing the buck to the owners of the vast majority of balanced and naturally sociable/curious dogs is the solution. Mine will bound up to most other dogs in the park, most will then do what they do naturally and perform their little rituals and some will go on to have a play and a run with him. This is natural and normal behavior - restraint, fear and leashing is not. He may go up to an old leashed dog that has no time for sociable youngsters - he will pick up on that and be gone in seconds mumbling 'boring'! He has good recall and I do recall him if another owner is looking stressy or think he's going to eat their Chihuahua rather than sniff their bottom and play with them!
The only issue we ever had was a French Mastiff bounding over whilst mine was playing with some other dogs and picked up 1 of this little old ladies' 3 jumpered poodles in his mouth. I dragged it off the poodle and told the owner that a dog capable of that should be muzzled and never let off the lead and if I ever saw it again unrestrained I would follow up with the cops etc To be fair he was mortified and quite shocked and totally agreed. So its about restraining those with issues and not those without? Does this angst all stem from lack of proper socialising as puppies?
Quite possibly - of course those of us who did not take on their dogs as puppies can't know what socialising (if any) they had.If dogs do have genuine issues then I don't think passing the buck to the owners of the vast majority of balanced and naturally sociable/curious dogs is the solution. Mine will bound up to most other dogs in the park, most will then do what they do naturally and perform their little rituals and some will go on to have a play and a run with him. This is natural and normal behavior - restraint, fear and leashing is not. He may go up to an old leashed dog that has no time for sociable youngsters - he will pick up on that and be gone in seconds mumbling 'boring'! He has good recall and I do recall him if another owner is looking stressy or think he's going to eat their Chihuahua rather than sniff their bottom and play with them!
The only issue we ever had was a French Mastiff bounding over whilst mine was playing with some other dogs and picked up 1 of this little old ladies' 3 jumpered poodles in his mouth. I dragged it off the poodle and told the owner that a dog capable of that should be muzzled and never let off the lead and if I ever saw it again unrestrained I would follow up with the cops etc To be fair he was mortified and quite shocked and totally agreed. So its about restraining those with issues and not those without? Does this angst all stem from lack of proper socialising as puppies?
For me - it's pretty simple. It's down to common courtesy. If someone has their dog on a lead, it's probably for a reason - you may not agree with that reason but respect it. Keep your dog under control (not necessarily on a lead, just under control).
In an ideal world, all dogs would get on with each other. It's not an ideal world. I don't like everyone I meet
and there are plenty of people who I wouldn't want 'in my face', why should my dogs be any different?It really isn't difficult, and no one needs to be put out. Today when walking up to the woods was a good example. A couple coming the other way had a pair of lovely King Charles's, off lead, seemingly playful. One came running over to Wilson, so I called over 'this one isn't sociable', so they called him/her back, apologised (I said no need) and everyone went on their way happy.
moorx said:
Also, I view my walks as time to myself with my dogs; I don't really want to share it with anyone else except family or friends and their dogs.
It's one of the reasons why I am glad we now have our own land where we can exercise our dogs without meeting anyone else. Anti-social? Probably
Definitely mate but this isn't the way dogs are programmed! Reverse Meldrew anthropomorphism?! It's one of the reasons why I am glad we now have our own land where we can exercise our dogs without meeting anyone else. Anti-social? Probably
;)And its a fair point on rescue/2nd owner dogs but I think we all need to accept that dogs will always check each other out - whether certain humans hate that or not. 99.9% of the time its a non issue IMHO.
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Exactly. Wilson was a rescue, we can't say what if any socialising he had. Dogs Trust also suggested that their other dogs became the only thing he could focus his stress's on when there (he really didn't enjoy it)
It really isn't difficult, and no one needs to be put out. Today when walking up to the woods was a good example. A couple coming the other way had a pair of lovely King Charles's, off lead, seemingly playful. One came running over to Wilson, so I called over 'this one isn't sociable', so they called him/her back, apologised (I said no need) and everyone went on their way happy.
No issues with that mate - its the paranoia and holding them above their heads that gets me! Good on you for rescuing a dog too - I will do that one day but with young kids I had to have a puppy to 'mould' - picking up the kids from school and then regularly seeing 10 kids on top of him outside the school gates cooing 'Dalmatian' made it doubly important!It really isn't difficult, and no one needs to be put out. Today when walking up to the woods was a good example. A couple coming the other way had a pair of lovely King Charles's, off lead, seemingly playful. One came running over to Wilson, so I called over 'this one isn't sociable', so they called him/her back, apologised (I said no need) and everyone went on their way happy.
Ken Figenus said:
moorx said:
Also, I view my walks as time to myself with my dogs; I don't really want to share it with anyone else except family or friends and their dogs.
It's one of the reasons why I am glad we now have our own land where we can exercise our dogs without meeting anyone else. Anti-social? Probably
Definitely mate but this isn't the way dogs are programmed! Reverse Meldrew anthropomorphism?! It's one of the reasons why I am glad we now have our own land where we can exercise our dogs without meeting anyone else. Anti-social? Probably
;)And its a fair point on rescue/2nd owner dogs but I think we all need to accept that dogs will always check each other out - whether certain humans hate that or not. 99.9% of the time its a non issue IMHO.
I don't hate dogs 'checking each other out', but I don't agree that they always want to. I've had several dogs that would much prefer to be left to what they love doing (sniffing/exploring) without any interaction with other dogs (particularly strange dogs). Maybe that's why I identify with them so well
Conversation seems to have moved on a bit from the original but it did make me think. Last week, out walking my girlfriends golden retriever we had 2 guys walking towards us with a small terrier that was totally consumed in the excitement of digging a massive hole in the bank beside the path, and a huge Rottweiler that was off the lead and trotting about looking pretty chilled out. To be on the safe side I put our dog back on the lead but I noticed as it got closer that the big rottie had a collar saying "friendly" in big letters, like these ones:
I know it wouldn't necessarily reassure people with little kids and that's understandable but my immediate reaction was that the demeanour of the Rottweiler and the owners, and the fact that they'd gone to the trouble to buy the collar was reassuring and so I let our dog back off the lead and there was no problem at all. It's a good idea as I think even though you still need to fogure the other dogs body language out a bit for yourself, the collar does give a little bit more reassurance
I know it wouldn't necessarily reassure people with little kids and that's understandable but my immediate reaction was that the demeanour of the Rottweiler and the owners, and the fact that they'd gone to the trouble to buy the collar was reassuring and so I let our dog back off the lead and there was no problem at all. It's a good idea as I think even though you still need to fogure the other dogs body language out a bit for yourself, the collar does give a little bit more reassurance
TeaNoSugar said:
Conversation seems to have moved on a bit from the original but it did make me think. Last week, out walking my girlfriends golden retriever we had 2 guys walking towards us with a small terrier that was totally consumed in the excitement of digging a massive hole in the bank beside the path, and a huge Rottweiler that was off the lead and trotting about looking pretty chilled out. To be on the safe side I put our dog back on the lead but I noticed as it got closer that the big rottie had a collar saying "friendly" in big letters, like these ones:
I know it wouldn't necessarily reassure people with little kids and that's understandable but my immediate reaction was that the demeanour of the Rottweiler and the owners, and the fact that they'd gone to the trouble to buy the collar was reassuring and so I let our dog back off the lead and there was no problem at all. It's a good idea as I think even though you still need to fogure the other dogs body language out a bit for yourself, the collar does give a little bit more reassurance
I tend to find myself voicing the words 'he's friendly' a lot when out with my Rottie, he looks very mean but he's the opposite. I know it wouldn't necessarily reassure people with little kids and that's understandable but my immediate reaction was that the demeanour of the Rottweiler and the owners, and the fact that they'd gone to the trouble to buy the collar was reassuring and so I let our dog back off the lead and there was no problem at all. It's a good idea as I think even though you still need to fogure the other dogs body language out a bit for yourself, the collar does give a little bit more reassurance
K8-600 said:
TeaNoSugar said:
Conversation seems to have moved on a bit from the original but it did make me think. Last week, out walking my girlfriends golden retriever we had 2 guys walking towards us with a small terrier that was totally consumed in the excitement of digging a massive hole in the bank beside the path, and a huge Rottweiler that was off the lead and trotting about looking pretty chilled out. To be on the safe side I put our dog back on the lead but I noticed as it got closer that the big rottie had a collar saying "friendly" in big letters, like these ones:
I know it wouldn't necessarily reassure people with little kids and that's understandable but my immediate reaction was that the demeanour of the Rottweiler and the owners, and the fact that they'd gone to the trouble to buy the collar was reassuring and so I let our dog back off the lead and there was no problem at all. It's a good idea as I think even though you still need to fogure the other dogs body language out a bit for yourself, the collar does give a little bit more reassurance
I tend to find myself voicing the words 'he's friendly' a lot when out with my Rottie, he looks very mean but he's the opposite. I know it wouldn't necessarily reassure people with little kids and that's understandable but my immediate reaction was that the demeanour of the Rottweiler and the owners, and the fact that they'd gone to the trouble to buy the collar was reassuring and so I let our dog back off the lead and there was no problem at all. It's a good idea as I think even though you still need to fogure the other dogs body language out a bit for yourself, the collar does give a little bit more reassurance
Personally if you have a dog that has issues then I think the onus is on you to walk your dog in areas where other dogs are not off leash. Might be exceptions, but a dog would just as much love walking on a path as much as a field.
I'm not going to put my 2 GSDs on their leads in areas where they can run and play because I should have realised that someone is going to come along with a problem dog. It's akin to a scenario that if a human relative was likely to smack someone due to a mental illness I wouldn't exactly take that person to town and expect everyone to keep 10 yards away, I'd accommodate the issue and take them to a quieter place etc.
O/T - That said some people can't be helped. Remember one guy I met who had a black lab on a leash and said it was scared of Horses and hence could I keep my GSD away - I mean WTF is that correlation?! Anyhow I came over and introduce my boys and gave the lab a good stroke, within a minute the lab was wagging his tail and sniffing my boys. As soon as he did that the owner got all funny like I had told him I was a better man and proceeded to pull his lab away. Why not let the lab play and build his confidence???!
I'm not going to put my 2 GSDs on their leads in areas where they can run and play because I should have realised that someone is going to come along with a problem dog. It's akin to a scenario that if a human relative was likely to smack someone due to a mental illness I wouldn't exactly take that person to town and expect everyone to keep 10 yards away, I'd accommodate the issue and take them to a quieter place etc.
O/T - That said some people can't be helped. Remember one guy I met who had a black lab on a leash and said it was scared of Horses and hence could I keep my GSD away - I mean WTF is that correlation?! Anyhow I came over and introduce my boys and gave the lab a good stroke, within a minute the lab was wagging his tail and sniffing my boys. As soon as he did that the owner got all funny like I had told him I was a better man and proceeded to pull his lab away. Why not let the lab play and build his confidence???!
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
K8-600 said:
TeaNoSugar said:
Conversation seems to have moved on a bit from the original but it did make me think. Last week, out walking my girlfriends golden retriever we had 2 guys walking towards us with a small terrier that was totally consumed in the excitement of digging a massive hole in the bank beside the path, and a huge Rottweiler that was off the lead and trotting about looking pretty chilled out. To be on the safe side I put our dog back on the lead but I noticed as it got closer that the big rottie had a collar saying "friendly" in big letters, like these ones:
I know it wouldn't necessarily reassure people with little kids and that's understandable but my immediate reaction was that the demeanour of the Rottweiler and the owners, and the fact that they'd gone to the trouble to buy the collar was reassuring and so I let our dog back off the lead and there was no problem at all. It's a good idea as I think even though you still need to fogure the other dogs body language out a bit for yourself, the collar does give a little bit more reassurance
I tend to find myself voicing the words 'he's friendly' a lot when out with my Rottie, he looks very mean but he's the opposite. I know it wouldn't necessarily reassure people with little kids and that's understandable but my immediate reaction was that the demeanour of the Rottweiler and the owners, and the fact that they'd gone to the trouble to buy the collar was reassuring and so I let our dog back off the lead and there was no problem at all. It's a good idea as I think even though you still need to fogure the other dogs body language out a bit for yourself, the collar does give a little bit more reassurance
I know people judge both him and I but I wouldn't change anything about him.
Carrot said:
rigga said:
Well unsurprisingly a mixed set of opinion's, but to me, right or wrong dog's like horse's, humans and many other creatures with brains and minds of their own are first and foremost unpredictable, no matter how well you think they are trained. Should your pet want to approach anyone else for fuss and affection, you need to know if the over party are receptive to the animal, so in public places dogs should be under control at ALL times, if that means being leashed until an appropriate time and place, so be it.
Very much this.Logan has snapped exactly 3 times that was one, while restrained and a dog approaching from the rear and he never touched the other dog but did nip me. He's three and a half. Two walks a day and hundreds of dog interactions
99.9 percent of dogs he just wants to play, I'm sorry but I'm not risking it. Too many times he's been off the lead and I've asked approaching owners if theirs were friendly and then they attacked him. Probably why he can be reactive. But now he's older and stronger he will fight back and he will do damage. I don't want any dogs gettting hurt. If they growl at him he will defend himself.
I don't think uts too much to ask on the rare occasion I bump into another dog that the owners do not let their dog approach us. Especially as I go out of my way to go to the middle of nowhere.
I'm not talking the local park.
Oh and to the man in 40 years has never seen dogs fight I find that hard to belive. I've also been bit by accident by sombody else's dog a staff that attacked a dog in our local field. I separated them and got bit for my troubles. Hurt like hell.
Every now and again some dogs get agressive. A huge shame but it happens, I've seen it countless times.
I could let Logan off and risk it he more than likely would be fine as lead aggression is a thing because they feel trapped.
I know I can control him 100% with a tennis ball, still not risking it. I like other dogs too much even agressive ones.
99.9 percent of dogs he just wants to play, I'm sorry but I'm not risking it. Too many times he's been off the lead and I've asked approaching owners if theirs were friendly and then they attacked him. Probably why he can be reactive. But now he's older and stronger he will fight back and he will do damage. I don't want any dogs gettting hurt. If they growl at him he will defend himself.
I don't think uts too much to ask on the rare occasion I bump into another dog that the owners do not let their dog approach us. Especially as I go out of my way to go to the middle of nowhere.
I'm not talking the local park.
Oh and to the man in 40 years has never seen dogs fight I find that hard to belive. I've also been bit by accident by sombody else's dog a staff that attacked a dog in our local field. I separated them and got bit for my troubles. Hurt like hell.
Every now and again some dogs get agressive. A huge shame but it happens, I've seen it countless times.
I could let Logan off and risk it he more than likely would be fine as lead aggression is a thing because they feel trapped.
I know I can control him 100% with a tennis ball, still not risking it. I like other dogs too much even agressive ones.
Edited by Pesty on Sunday 8th January 22:51
Pesty said:
Oh and to the man in 40 years has never seen dogs fight I find that hard to belive. I've also been bit by accident by sombody else's dog a staff that attacked a dog in our local field. I separated them and got bit for my troubles. Hurt like hell.
Is that the same man that said he helped a toy Poodle from a French Mastiff's jaws? I think all I'm saying mate is that the more people instinctively try to isolate dogs from other dogs 'just in case' the more behaviour problems they may introduce. After 18 months old the harm may be irreversible and they can be un-sociable in social places.
Also I have of course seen many squabbles that pass quickly with no harm, including with mine. These were often caused by my big 10 month old puppy bounding up to other dogs with not enough 'dog etiquette rules' applied'. He got a few 'back-off' nips. He learnt. If dogs don't get the chance to learn...
TeaNoSugar said:
Conversation seems to have moved on a bit from the original but it did make me think. Last week, out walking my girlfriends golden retriever we had 2 guys walking towards us with a small terrier that was totally consumed in the excitement of digging a massive hole in the bank beside the path, and a huge Rottweiler that was off the lead and trotting about looking pretty chilled out. To be on the safe side I put our dog back on the lead but I noticed as it got closer that the big rottie had a collar saying "friendly" in big letters, like these ones:
I know it wouldn't necessarily reassure people with little kids and that's understandable but my immediate reaction was that the demeanour of the Rottweiler and the owners, and the fact that they'd gone to the trouble to buy the collar was reassuring and so I let our dog back off the lead and there was no problem at all. It's a good idea as I think even though you still need to fogure the other dogs body language out a bit for yourself, the collar does give a little bit more reassurance
I need one for ours that says "OVERLY FRIENDLY MORON".I know it wouldn't necessarily reassure people with little kids and that's understandable but my immediate reaction was that the demeanour of the Rottweiler and the owners, and the fact that they'd gone to the trouble to buy the collar was reassuring and so I let our dog back off the lead and there was no problem at all. It's a good idea as I think even though you still need to fogure the other dogs body language out a bit for yourself, the collar does give a little bit more reassurance
To be fair though, in most circumstances you'd never have chance to read it.
Ken Figenus said:
Pesty said:
Oh and to the man in 40 years has never seen dogs fight I find that hard to belive. I've also been bit by accident by sombody else's dog a staff that attacked a dog in our local field. I separated them and got bit for my troubles. Hurt like hell.
Is that the same man that said he helped a toy Poodle from a French Mastiff's jaws? I think all I'm saying mate is that the more people instinctively try to isolate dogs from other dogs 'just in case' the more behaviour problems they may introduce. After 18 months old the harm may be irreversible and they can be un-sociable in social places.
Also I have of course seen many squabbles that pass quickly with no harm, including with mine. These were often caused by my big 10 month old puppy bounding up to other dogs with not enough 'dog etiquette rules' applied'. He got a few 'back-off' nips. He learnt. If dogs don't get the chance to learn...
t" mode and is now 30 odd kilos of potential fury. Yes he can be a nasty bugger with a grudge, doesn't start fights, but takes no st. Stops on command , so far. At which the other owner laughs that "he always picks fights with big dogs." Clearly his dog hasn't learnt from "back-off" nips. t
t. One day his dog will pick a fight with something that turns it into more than a scuffle.FiF said:
Ken Figenus said:
Pesty said:
Oh and to the man in 40 years has never seen dogs fight I find that hard to belive. I've also been bit by accident by sombody else's dog a staff that attacked a dog in our local field. I separated them and got bit for my troubles. Hurt like hell.
Is that the same man that said he helped a toy Poodle from a French Mastiff's jaws? I think all I'm saying mate is that the more people instinctively try to isolate dogs from other dogs 'just in case' the more behaviour problems they may introduce. After 18 months old the harm may be irreversible and they can be un-sociable in social places.
Also I have of course seen many squabbles that pass quickly with no harm, including with mine. These were often caused by my big 10 month old puppy bounding up to other dogs with not enough 'dog etiquette rules' applied'. He got a few 'back-off' nips. He learnt. If dogs don't get the chance to learn...
t" mode and is now 30 odd kilos of potential fury. Yes he can be a nasty bugger with a grudge, doesn't start fights, but takes no st. Stops on command , so far. At which the other owner laughs that "he always picks fights with big dogs." Clearly his dog hasn't learnt from "back-off" nips. t
t. One day his dog will pick a fight with something that turns it into more than a scuffle.t! BigLion said:
Beni997 said:
This does my head in!
We have 3 big dogs, one is always on a lead because he is so naughty off it. One is on and off the lead as he is that old that he's deaf and just wonders off so it's easier to have him on the lead. The other is never on his lead as he's the youngest and is very well behaved off his lead so he needs a good run round.
He is a big powerful dog but loves attention and people and other dogs. So when he see's another dog/person he goes running over to just say hello and has never shown any aggression, but jesus christ some reactions we get is ridiculous. It's normally people with little dogs who start screaming when he comes over and pick their dog up and run away!!
He then thinks it's a game and chases them until i get to him or shout him and i get the he should be on a lead comment in an aggressive manner! Why i ask and the normal reply i get is that he's big and could do some damage!!!
If he was nasty do you think i would have him off the lead???
Some people are just brain dead
This is absolutely my experience and spot on post.We have 3 big dogs, one is always on a lead because he is so naughty off it. One is on and off the lead as he is that old that he's deaf and just wonders off so it's easier to have him on the lead. The other is never on his lead as he's the youngest and is very well behaved off his lead so he needs a good run round.
He is a big powerful dog but loves attention and people and other dogs. So when he see's another dog/person he goes running over to just say hello and has never shown any aggression, but jesus christ some reactions we get is ridiculous. It's normally people with little dogs who start screaming when he comes over and pick their dog up and run away!!
He then thinks it's a game and chases them until i get to him or shout him and i get the he should be on a lead comment in an aggressive manner! Why i ask and the normal reply i get is that he's big and could do some damage!!!
If he was nasty do you think i would have him off the lead???
Some people are just brain dead
I have 2 german shepherds and it pisses me off no end when people start to do as you say
I have two Dobermanns so am well versed in people picking their dogs up and thinking they want to eat their children. Other people's ignorance isn't my problem. I think it's a shame that people act this way but it doesn't get to me, it's them that looks stupid not me.
The things for me is that a dog may be on a lead for a reason. It may be for rehabilitation reasons, they may currently be half way through some training, the dog may not be friendly, who knows! Well, the owner knows, that's why the dog is on a lead. That owner could easily assume that the reason your dog is off the lead is because he's a big friendly lump who is very unlikely to be nasty and go for another dog. What if on this occasion the reason that their dog is on a lead is because it's not that great around other dogs so they are doing the responsible thing and keeping it on a lead.
Their attempt at being responsible / rehabilitation / training etc all goes out the window as you've allowed your dog to interact with them. If anybody here is being irresponsible, I'd say it's the owner who allows their dog to go running up to other dogs.
Boosted LS1 said:
Now you're being paranoid. You could always carry your child on your shoulders everywhere? What about the traffic? If your dog fear's that great then carry an apple and a large knife to peel it with. Just in case you meet the monster or you could grow some biceps. Little dogs can kill to, terriers etc. What about if you meet a huge muscular bloke on a dark night? Are you going to ban him from being there? You need to find a workable solution. You can't ban big dogs because they're big or off the lead.
It's hardly paranoid when there is a large dog running up growling and you haven two small children to look after.Funnily when crossing traffic, they hold my hand and use a pedestrian crossing where available. The same circumstance is not letting th or dogs run up to people aggressively.
I'm confident I can deal with a terrier more quickly than I can a large breed. Your a Analogy is completely facile and unrelated.
No one has mentioned banning large dogs, merely as a responsible dog owner have them under control, that can mean they come to heel rather than charging up to strangers. Then I don't assume the owners are chavtasti. simpletons and I don't need to analyse whether the dog is friendly or a threat.
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