Limping when tired

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PositronicRay

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Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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bexVN said:
PositronicRay said:
bexVN said:
PositronicRay said:
1st dose of Metacam last night and vomited this morning. frown

Not sure if it's a coincidence or not.
Hmm. I would speak to your vet before giving another dose. Did it go in food yesterday?
Yes, on food last night around 5pm.

I'll call vet this morning.
Best to be safe. Metacam is widely used and well tolerated but if there is a sensitivity they should have an alternative nsaid that he may tolerate better (eg Onsior, Previcox)
I'm pretty sure he's had Metacam before, still got the little syringe thing. Must be from when he was castrated as a pup. No ill effects then, but things change.

ETA. He actually had quite a cocktail yesterday! Rabies, and annual boosters as well as the Metacam.

Edited by PositronicRay on Wednesday 22 March 08:38

bexVN

14,682 posts

211 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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PositronicRay said:
bexVN said:
PositronicRay said:
bexVN said:
PositronicRay said:
1st dose of Metacam last night and vomited this morning. frown

Not sure if it's a coincidence or not.
Hmm. I would speak to your vet before giving another dose. Did it go in food yesterday?
Yes, on food last night around 5pm.

I'll call vet this morning.
Best to be safe. Metacam is widely used and well tolerated but if there is a sensitivity they should have an alternative nsaid that he may tolerate better (eg Onsior, Previcox)
I'm pretty sure he's had Metacam before, still got the little syringe thing. Must be from when he was castrated as a pup. No ill effects then, but things change.

ETA. He actually had quite a cocktail yesterday! Rabies, and annual boosters as well as the Metacam.

Edited by PositronicRay on Wednesday 22 March 08:38
Ooh that is quite a lot and may explain it more tbh! Your vet may suggest a day off the Metacam then try again and see how he goes probably what I would do if it were me.

I don't like bombarding them with too much at the same time. Like when people want us to neuter, vaccinate, flea and worm their animals all in one day I usually say we won't, give the body to deal with one thing at a time and if there is a reaction we would not know what it was too. (just my personal feeling on it!)

garythesign

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88 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Sorry to read what you are going through OP

Not easy having a young dog who is not having enough exercise.

Hope it works out OK

FiF

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251 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Right from his first shots as a puppy we've always split treatments. Even on regular flea and parasite treatments, e.g. we don't give him the Bravecto and Milbemax without a week or more separation.

PositronicRay

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Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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I'm hoping this is it @ he's okay to take Metacam, vet calling me back later.

On the plus side, he's a lot brighter. Just been out for 1/2 hr and seems more like his old self. For now we're going to keep to 2 x small walks per day rather than the 1.5 - 2hr high energy treks we've been doing.


FiF

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Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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The other thing I can recommend, as already done by Bex is hydrotherapy and swimming. Especially if he has one leg not so well developed. We took our Golden swimming as we thought it was low impact exercise. Build up of his muscles generally was excellent, and helped keep his weight in control under a low activity regime.

Only problem, he's a retriever, so any stick or floating thing was retrieved for our inspection, including the odd mallard and coot if we'd let him. rolleyes

PositronicRay

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Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Vet called back, just keep an eye out if no vomiting then all's good.

He's not a strong swimmer, but does have an impressive ferry glide! I'm a bit wary of scrambling in and out in his current condition.

bexVN

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211 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Vet called back, just keep an eye out if no vomiting then all's good.

He's not a strong swimmer, but does have an impressive ferry glide! I'm a bit wary of scrambling in and out in his current condition.
Yeah I wouldn't recommend just taking him for a swim at the mo, hydro places usually have pools and can do controlled swims with float jackets etc.

Fingers crossed he is ok on his meds now.

PositronicRay

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Friday 24th March 2017
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Had meds 3 times, vomited twice. frown
Both times it's the following morning, about 12hrs after his dinner/metacam.

Stools ok, energy high, Vets advised to reduce dose to 5kg (he's 16kg and was on a 15kg dose)

bexVN

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211 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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PositronicRay said:
Had meds 3 times, vomited twice. frown
Both times it's the following morning, about 12hrs after his dinner/metacam.

Stools ok, energy high, Vets advised to reduce dose to 5kg (he's 16kg and was on a 15kg dose)
OK, though I have to wonder if that dose is going to do much to help. Personally I'd be wanting to try a different nsaid.

Does he vomit after or before breakfast? It could be that feeling hungry on top of the Metacam is causing the Vomiting so feeding him earlier in the morning may help?

PositronicRay

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Friday 24th March 2017
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bexVN said:
PositronicRay said:
Had meds 3 times, vomited twice. frown
Both times it's the following morning, about 12hrs after his dinner/metacam.

Stools ok, energy high, Vets advised to reduce dose to 5kg (he's 16kg and was on a 15kg dose)
OK, though I have to wonder if that dose is going to do much to help. Personally I'd be wanting to try a different nsaid.

Does he vomit after or before breakfast? It could be that feeling hungry on top of the Metacam is causing the Vomiting so feeding him earlier in the morning may help?
Vomits as soon as we get up around 6am, breakfast @ 8am. I wondered too about the effectiveness of a reduced dose. Will monitor this weekend, much livelier though.

bexVN

14,682 posts

211 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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PositronicRay said:
bexVN said:
PositronicRay said:
Had meds 3 times, vomited twice. frown
Both times it's the following morning, about 12hrs after his dinner/metacam.

Stools ok, energy high, Vets advised to reduce dose to 5kg (he's 16kg and was on a 15kg dose)
OK, though I have to wonder if that dose is going to do much to help. Personally I'd be wanting to try a different nsaid.

Does he vomit after or before breakfast? It could be that feeling hungry on top of the Metacam is causing the Vomiting so feeding him earlier in the morning may help?
Vomits as soon as we get up around 6am, breakfast @ 8am. I wondered too about the effectiveness of a reduced dose. Will monitor this weekend, much livelier though.
It is ok if they are on it long term for eg chronic arthritis to have the dose quite a bit lower (usually half dose) but not as common when it is for an acute reason.

It might be worth giving a small snack last thing at night so stomach isn't empty at 6am.

PositronicRay

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26,998 posts

183 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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bexVN said:
PositronicRay said:
bexVN said:
PositronicRay said:
Had meds 3 times, vomited twice. frown
Both times it's the following morning, about 12hrs after his dinner/metacam.

Stools ok, energy high, Vets advised to reduce dose to 5kg (he's 16kg and was on a 15kg dose)
OK, though I have to wonder if that dose is going to do much to help. Personally I'd be wanting to try a different nsaid.

Does he vomit after or before breakfast? It could be that feeling hungry on top of the Metacam is causing the Vomiting so feeding him earlier in the morning may help?
Vomits as soon as we get up around 6am, breakfast @ 8am. I wondered too about the effectiveness of a reduced dose. Will monitor this weekend, much livelier though.
It is ok if they are on it long term for eg chronic arthritis to have the dose quite a bit lower (usually half dose) but not as common when it is for an acute reason.

It might be worth giving a small snack last thing at night so stomach isn't empty at 6am.
Do you think it's worth giving the meds with breakfast instead of dinner? Or maybe a split dose?

bexVN

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211 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Yes worth morning trial but you would have to miss a night and give it the following morning.

No don't split it. It should only ever be once every 24hrs even on a lower dose.

PositronicRay

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Saturday 25th March 2017
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bexVN said:
Yes worth morning trial but you would have to miss a night and give it the following morning.

No don't split it. It should only ever be once every 24hrs even on a lower dose.
Thx.

I'll keep him on 5kg dose through the weekend then if okay may try @ 10kg.

PositronicRay

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Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Settled on a 10kg dose, seems lively enough. Conscious that pain killers mask stuff and make it easier to overdo exercise.