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Boosted LS1 said:
There was an attack yesterday near Walsall. 2 dogs killed a man, thought to be XL's.
Then never release info regarding the dogs welfare before these attacks.It's likely these dogs where abused, leading to nervous and aggressive behaviour. A blanket ban is massively unfair to the breed and to responsible owners.
As other posters have said, the whole dog ownership scenario in the UK needs looking at.
I think every dog has the potential to get antsy and bite but these Bully XL's cause a huge amount of damage when they do get hold of something. The power in the jaws and the size of the head just creates a monster when it goes off the rails.... Considering they're bred for this look, for people who generally want others to be intimidated by the, ends up with a bad rep and a ban.
cliffords said:
Do we know how many of these dogs there are in the UK , they seem very active at killing or attacking people right now. Are there lots am I likely to meet one ? I do hope a ban means they all have to be put down.
Estimates are a couple of thousand. Out of 13 million dogs.And with an attitude like that, I hope you do meet one. A nasty one.
It seems to be almost daily the incidents so I agree something needs to be done. The muzzle in public approach is the most humane way of phasing them out without putting them down.
I was having dinner outside in the summer and my friend brought his cocker spaniel pup, on a lead and giving it enough attention to keep it occupied.
A stranger brought their XL Bully pup which was younger but already much bigger and stronger. It was a playful one, but even playing it was dominating the cocker spaniel, starting to get vocal and everyone around was really uncomfortable and anxious as the classic owner stood by and watched, with zero recall ability or control saying “iTs Ok He Is HaRmLeSs”.
Sadly it’s BOTH the breed and the owners I think in this case. The owner may have been fully confident that it wouldn’t bite but they lacked any respect for the people and animals around it.
I was having dinner outside in the summer and my friend brought his cocker spaniel pup, on a lead and giving it enough attention to keep it occupied.
A stranger brought their XL Bully pup which was younger but already much bigger and stronger. It was a playful one, but even playing it was dominating the cocker spaniel, starting to get vocal and everyone around was really uncomfortable and anxious as the classic owner stood by and watched, with zero recall ability or control saying “iTs Ok He Is HaRmLeSs”.
Sadly it’s BOTH the breed and the owners I think in this case. The owner may have been fully confident that it wouldn’t bite but they lacked any respect for the people and animals around it.
I live in America and had a pit bull. He was a street dog that I found during the height of the last recession where a lot of people lost their homes and a lot of dogs got dumped, so I didn't pick him. I had him for 8 years before losing him to cancer. and I would not hesitate getting another one.
What I found about these dogs is that they are incredibly loving and very sweet. But they're also very powerful, so you need to be a strong owner or otherwise they can drag you around if they get hyper excited. They don't tend to be people aggressive, but can be dog aggressive if they're not well socialized.
Mine was a great companion dog who was very gentle around people he knew and usually scared of people he didn't (probably something to do with his past). Many are abused here, as dog fighting is still something that happens and a lot get stolen and used as bait dogs. They're not great guard dogs as they tend to like people. One friend would say that if you want prevent your pit bull from being stolen, stick him in a garden with a bunch of German Shepherds .
A lot of the issues attributed to the breed comes down to irresponsible keepers or irresponsible breeders. Banning a breed sounds nonsensical to me, like banning a nationality or race of people because they're perceived to commit more crime compared to another group. Whether Dogs, cats, rats, bees or snakes, most animals don't tend to mess with you unless you mess with them. If you own a large dog breed, it's your responsibility to control your dog, and if you own a small dog breed or have kids, it's also your responsibility to control them too. Dogs are inherently territorial and don't like their space crowded.
What I found about these dogs is that they are incredibly loving and very sweet. But they're also very powerful, so you need to be a strong owner or otherwise they can drag you around if they get hyper excited. They don't tend to be people aggressive, but can be dog aggressive if they're not well socialized.
Mine was a great companion dog who was very gentle around people he knew and usually scared of people he didn't (probably something to do with his past). Many are abused here, as dog fighting is still something that happens and a lot get stolen and used as bait dogs. They're not great guard dogs as they tend to like people. One friend would say that if you want prevent your pit bull from being stolen, stick him in a garden with a bunch of German Shepherds .
A lot of the issues attributed to the breed comes down to irresponsible keepers or irresponsible breeders. Banning a breed sounds nonsensical to me, like banning a nationality or race of people because they're perceived to commit more crime compared to another group. Whether Dogs, cats, rats, bees or snakes, most animals don't tend to mess with you unless you mess with them. If you own a large dog breed, it's your responsibility to control your dog, and if you own a small dog breed or have kids, it's also your responsibility to control them too. Dogs are inherently territorial and don't like their space crowded.
Edited by alabbasi on Friday 15th September 15:22
I met an XL and its owner on Wednesday. Working in Liverpool filming something and sat on a bench in Crosby to grab a sandwich next to an older middle aged, normal looking bloke. A soon as I opened the sandwich wrapper, his dog sauntered over like all dogs do seeing if it could have some. I didn't initially twig it was a Bully but got chatting and indeed it was.
Story is that his daughter had got into a relationship with a bit if a scrote who got the dog as a pup and shortly after did a runner leaving daughter with the dog but as she was working away a lot, her parents took the dog - not realising what it was.
Three years old and the bloke says it's as good as gold. They're really worried about whether they'll have to give it up as they've grown very attached to it.
I can't say it was a particularly attractive looking thing but it seemed perfectly content, laying there snoozing in the sun, and not the beast that it's supposed to be. But I guess appearances can be deceptive.
Story is that his daughter had got into a relationship with a bit if a scrote who got the dog as a pup and shortly after did a runner leaving daughter with the dog but as she was working away a lot, her parents took the dog - not realising what it was.
Three years old and the bloke says it's as good as gold. They're really worried about whether they'll have to give it up as they've grown very attached to it.
I can't say it was a particularly attractive looking thing but it seemed perfectly content, laying there snoozing in the sun, and not the beast that it's supposed to be. But I guess appearances can be deceptive.
Don't put all bully XLs to sleep, stop breeding and selling them, profit goes far too much to those of profitting from the trade, just stop the trade and sadly remove the dangerous ones. Look at my previous post, the most untrustworthy dog of the 50s was a rough collie, then devil dogs of which I have a soft big one, but behaviour is paramount along with the despicable behaviour of humans associated with crime and profiteering from poor breeding.
I dispute the claims that it's either nature or nurture, but genetics play a much bigger part in life than most would like to admit, you cannot always take the chav or dog out of the struggle. It makes a big impact on animal behaviour how they are brought up but even much loved big cat keepers get killed or mauled, it's what fighting animals do, and bully XLs are descended from dog fighting lines in the US.
Stop their breeding, sale, abandonment or gifting .
I dispute the claims that it's either nature or nurture, but genetics play a much bigger part in life than most would like to admit, you cannot always take the chav or dog out of the struggle. It makes a big impact on animal behaviour how they are brought up but even much loved big cat keepers get killed or mauled, it's what fighting animals do, and bully XLs are descended from dog fighting lines in the US.
Stop their breeding, sale, abandonment or gifting .
I read here and see in the new a lot of complacency from owners.
“He is really gentle”
“Wouldn’t hurt a fly”
Etc
This is a powerful dog with high prey drive built into its genetic traits deliberately. Even the best owner can’t programme that out.
I would wager that many of the attacks to date were by dogs whose owners would make similar comments.
This complacency is a big risk factor in itself.
“He is really gentle”
“Wouldn’t hurt a fly”
Etc
This is a powerful dog with high prey drive built into its genetic traits deliberately. Even the best owner can’t programme that out.
I would wager that many of the attacks to date were by dogs whose owners would make similar comments.
This complacency is a big risk factor in itself.
Guy up the road has one , walks him off lead to the shop, and leaves him untethered outside while he's inside, he looks well behaved, until he isn't, and whilst there's mooted new laws banning them being proposed, seeing he currently isn't on a lead as by law he's required, what makes people think any new law will be adhered to ?
I'm really not comfortable walking my two near it, especially as one is a barky t
t which will draw attention to himself.
I'm really not comfortable walking my two near it, especially as one is a barky t
t which will draw attention to himself.
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