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irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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well we got the cat groomer out as new boy was, quite frankly, a little pongy and matted so I arrived home to this... not sure he's fully forgiven us yet wink









Patch1875

4,893 posts

131 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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Just tell him he looks more like a lion now.

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

247 months

Monday 13th April 2015
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irocfan said:
well we got the cat groomer out as new boy was, quite frankly, a little pongy and matted so I arrived home to this... not sure he's fully forgiven us yet wink








Get him a Bobcoat. The link is from Friends of James and Bob. Bob the Street Cat.

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Monday 13th April 2015
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Patch1875 said:
Just tell him he looks more like a lion now.
apparently it is called a lion cut lol

gwm

2,390 posts

143 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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irocfan said:
Patch1875 said:
Just tell him he looks more like a lion now.
apparently it is called a lion cut lol
Oh wow will you pay! That is one unhappy looking cat

lenats31

438 posts

172 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Lost soul said:
My new addition , finally I have something to post on this thread , 10 week old Rag doll
who is hilarious and seems more dog like than Cat smile

I dont mean to be rude, but 10 weeks is too soon for kittens to leave the pack and their mother. They should be no less than 12 weeks. I suppose there is no pedigree then?

He is adorable by the way. I hope you dont run into behavioral issues with him now or later.

lenats31

438 posts

172 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Our food slave is sooo slowpunch

mike80

2,248 posts

215 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Nice day for a frolic in the garden...








irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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mike80 said:
Nice day for a frolic in the garden...

what's with the invisible bike?

gwm

2,390 posts

143 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Mariachi cat


ali_kat

31,988 posts

220 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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lenats31 said:
I dont mean to be rude, but 10 weeks is too soon for kittens to leave the pack and their mother. They should be no less than 12 weeks. I suppose there is no pedigree then?

He is adorable by the way. I hope you dont run into behavioral issues with him now or later.
Actually, it's any time from 8 weeks.

12 weeks is when they don't like them to leave without their jabs.

There is no reason why he would run into behavioural problems, quite the opposite in fact - the longer the kitten is with it's im & the breeder, the less used to his human he becomes.

I know you've been told this before, in a number of threads, please stop scaremongering people in a subject you obviously know little about!

Patch1875

4,893 posts

131 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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ali_kat said:
lenats31 said:
I dont mean to be rude, but 10 weeks is too soon for kittens to leave the pack and their mother. They should be no less than 12 weeks. I suppose there is no pedigree then?

He is adorable by the way. I hope you dont run into behavioral issues with him now or later.
Actually, it's any time from 8 weeks.

12 weeks is when they don't like them to leave without their jabs.

There is no reason why he would run into behavioural problems, quite the opposite in fact - the longer the kitten is with it's im & the breeder, the less used to his human he becomes.

I know you've been told this before, in a number of threads, please stop scaremongering people in a subject you obviously know little about!
Turned out our Max was only 6 weeks when we got him, some people just want rid unfortunately.

He's turn out a wonderful natured puss.




ali_kat

31,988 posts

220 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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Aye, the younger they done the sweeter they can be, but they really shouldn't leave before being fully weaned at 8 weeks.

I was allowed Bast & Chilli at 9 weeks, but she knew they'd be house cats, that I was local & that I'd been I touch with the Vet already (to check her out) as he was hers too (& an old school friend if theirs).

Pepi came to me at 3.5 months from another breeder. He's been left alone since his little mates left (his new human changed their mind & didn't want him) the breeder had another litter to deal with by that point & he wasn't socialised with. He was a tiny kitten, but shy & terrified. I rescued him. There was no way I could have left him alone.

He's a sweet & affectionate cat now, but spooks very easily and is exceedingly shy with humans - as an example, he heard someone being loud in next doors garden last night whilst he was sat on my lap in the lounge & ran to hide.

Edited by ali_kat on Wednesday 15th April 09:14

lenats31

438 posts

172 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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ali_kat said:
Actually, it's any time from 8 weeks.

12 weeks is when they don't like them to leave without their jabs.

There is no reason why he would run into behavioural problems, quite the opposite in fact - the longer the kitten is with it's im & the breeder, the less used to his human he becomes.

I know you've been told this before, in a number of threads, please stop scaremongering people in a subject you obviously know little about!
I did not mean to upset you.

"I know you've been told this before, in a number of threads, please stop scaremongering people in a subject you obviously know little about".

Where and when? I rarely post here, you see!

I do certainly have knowledge about this. Don´t try to shut peopole up just because they don´t agree with your information as they may have information you dont have.

There is a law where I am against selling and giving away kittens under 12 weeks of age. There is also a law against buying and receiving kittens under 12 weeks of age. It has nothing to do with getting their shots. It has everything to do with minimizing the risk of behavorial issues now or later in the cat's life. Heck, many wont give them any shots anyway before letting their kittens go off to new homes!

"quite the opposite in fact - the longer the kitten is with it's im & the breeder, the less used to his human he becomes."

personally I would run like hell away from sellers that have not socialized their kittens well. They obviously have no clue what they are doing when it comes to their cats. Socialing does not start with the buyer (their human)





Edited by lenats31 on Thursday 16th April 17:38

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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lenats31 said:
ali_kat said:
Actually, it's any time from 8 weeks.

12 weeks is when they don't like them to leave without their jabs.

There is no reason why he would run into behavioural problems, quite the opposite in fact - the longer the kitten is with it's im & the breeder, the less used to his human he becomes.

I know you've been told this before, in a number of threads, please stop scaremongering people in a subject you obviously know little about!
I know more than you that´s for sure. And no, I´m not the one who has been told this before. I rarely post here, so have no idea whwre you got that st from

12 weeks is because they still have not fully learnt how to communicate - cat language if you will. It has nothing to do with jabs

There is a law where I am against selling and giving away kittens under 12 weeks of age. There is also a law against buying and receiving kittens under 12 weeks of age. It has npothing to do with getting their shots. It has everything to do with minimizing the risk of behavorial issues now or later in the cat's life. Heck, many wont give them any shots anyway!

personally I would run like hell away from sellers that have not socialized their kittens well.

Edited by lenats31 on Thursday 16th April 16:06
ahhhhh... see all is explained, different countries = different rules and regs vis-a-vis animals wink

lenats31

438 posts

172 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/pet-advice/how-old-sho...

Cut and pasted:

""Eight weeks, twelve weeks, thirteen weeks?


People often assume that once a kitten is able to eat solid food at around six weeks of age, they are able to be weaned and go to their new homes. However, this is to be discouraged, as the kitten will only just have started to get used to the new status quo, and should not be removed from the dam until they have reached the juvenile, rather than the baby stage of development.



Eight weeks is a common point at which non-pedigree kittens are taken away from the queen, but again, this is far from ideal, as kittens still have a lot of learning to do and can benefit from spending this very valuable stage of their lives with their queen and littermates, as there are lessons that only they can teach! Also, kittens should receive their first vaccinations prior to leaving their birth home, something that cannot be achieved at eight weeks old.



Twelve to thirteen weeks of age is the time that is almost universally considered to be the optimum earliest time to remove kittens from their queen, and by this age the kittens should be ready to go out into the world and begin the next stage of their learning development. However, the Governing Council of the Cat Fancy (GCCF) recommends that thirteen to fourteen weeks is even better, particularly in the case of foreign breeds of cat that are not native to the UK.""

lenats31

438 posts

172 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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Minnie - our 14 year-old female: was 8 weeks old when my brother got her. She does have some issues.

Bamse - our 3½ year-old male: I got him from a pet rescue home. his famlily moved and left him to his own outside. Since we dont know his background we dont know what the chances are that he wont run into some issues later on. There is none now. But then again, he´s only 3½ years old, so who knows?

Mickey - our nearly 4 year-old male: We got him from cat mother owner at full 8 weeks - going on 9 weeks. We brought his brother home with us too. So far no issues. Will we see eome problems later? Likely not, but who knows?

Thor - 6 year-old pedigree cat: Breeder let him go into his new home at age 16 weeks. No issues. Highly unlikely we´ll see some ever

Romeo - 3 years old pedigree cat: we got him in december last year from the same breeder as Thor. Highly unlikely we´ll see anything that shouldn´t happen

blueg33

35,578 posts

223 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Facebook messaged me yesterday to remind me of a post I made 5 years ago.

It said - "New member of the family came home today, 10 week old Bengal kitten"


ali_kat

31,988 posts

220 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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lenats31 said:
I did not mean to upset you.

"I know you've been told this before, in a number of threads, please stop scaremongering people in a subject you obviously know little about".

Where and when? I rarely post here, you see!

I do certainly have knowledge about this. Don´t try to shut peopole up just because they don´t agree with your information as they may have information you dont have.

There is a law where I am against selling and giving away kittens under 12 weeks of age. There is also a law against buying and receiving kittens under 12 weeks of age. It has nothing to do with getting their shots. It has everything to do with minimizing the risk of behavorial issues now or later in the cat's life. Heck, many wont give them any shots anyway before letting their kittens go off to new homes!
Don't worry, I didn't get upset & didn't want to upset you either! You see, here in the UK 10 weeks is not too early in fact it is quite responsible considering most can leave at 8 weeks. However, I happen to agree with you, 12 weeks IS the best age for a cat to leave; but telling people that it can cause behavioural issues is wrong.

Cats have issues, just like people do. You cannot say (although you have laugh) that they age they leave their Mum causes this or that the cats you have that left at 16 weeks will never have issues - you cannot see the future!

I'm not trawling through hundreds of posts to prove a point, especially now you have said you are in a different country (although how they can have a law on that and allow Zoophilia...) Having (albeit quickly) researched this, it seems that this is down to vaccinations having to be done before they are sold, and breeders say that they are better socialised aas a result. But if they haven't seen the difference in kittens that leave earlier, how can they tell?

I've given my 2 experiences; 2 kittens that I had at 9 weeks with no issues. One at 4.5 months (my maths is is crap! He was born at the start of April and I got him mid August) with major issues.

Edited by ali_kat on Friday 17th April 11:41

lenats31

438 posts

172 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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ali_kat said:
on't worry, I didn't get upset & didn't want to upset you either! You see, here in the UK 10 weeks is not too early in fact it is quite responsible considering most can leave at 8 weeks. However, I happen to agree with you, 12 weeks IS the best age for a cat to leave; but telling people that it can cause behavioural issues is wrong.

Cats have issues, just like people do. You cannot say (although you have laugh) that they age they leave their Mum causes this or that the cats you have that left at 16 weeks will never have issues - you cannot see the future!

I'm not trawling through hundreds of posts to prove a point, especially now you have said you are in a different country (although how they can have a law on that and allow Zoophilia...) Having (albeit quickly) researched this, it seems that this is down to vaccinations having to be done before they are sold, and breeders say that they are better socialised aas a result. But if they haven't seen the difference in kittens that leave earlier, how can they tell?

I've given my 2 experiences; 2 kittens that I had at 9 weeks with no issues. One at 4.5 months (my maths is is crap! He was born at the start of April and I got him mid August) with major issues.

Edited by ali_kat on Friday 17th April 11:41
I dont go by what the law says I can and cannot do only. I go by recommendations as well, as they say far more about what you should do and why Than the law does. The law States the bare minimum, and only that. It does in no way say what is the Best thing to do.

Just read the link postet above

I have planty of links why kittens shouldnt leave before 12 weeks. Personal opinions and reasons for doing this and doing that dont matter at all in this. The links are in forrige language. So no use to you. But read the link above which is from the UK

Just because you dont think there are issues now, doesnt you face any later.
Once you have ruled out physical issues and changes in the cat's life. Then what?
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