Found my lost corn snake after 12 years!!!!!!!
Discussion
DKMsport said:
And can you imagine just how many imported animal species have been let loose or escaped over the years? They dont seem to have affected things too much have they?
That sounds a bit like "What have the Romans ever done for us!" You know apart from the Grey Squirrel, the flat worm, knot weed, killer bees etc etcHowever I do agree that a snake who travels no more than about 6ft from a rockery it's lived in for 12 years is highly unlikely to pose much of a risk.
The Prophet said:
For the people worried about the snake finding another Cornsnake and staring some sort of serpent apocalypse in the UK, I should point out that Cornsnake eggs need an incubation period of about 65 days at 28ºC.
How often do we get 28ºC temperatures for 65 consecutive days?
Thats a very valid point, making a nation-wide corn snake epidemic extremely unlikely. But for me, the only way I could ever condone it is if it was proved that consequences of the colonisation of britain by corn snakes would have no effect on the local fauna.How often do we get 28ºC temperatures for 65 consecutive days?
Otherwise its like I said, risk is measured by the the consequences, not just the likelihood.
Saying "In this case, its ok." is not an ideal approach to protecting native wildlife. Perhaps the fact that I am Australian makes me over sensitive to it. Pretty anything you introduce there (provided it doesnt need much water) will flourish, often at the expense of something native.
308mate said:
MilnerR said:
Are we suggesting a mass cull of moggies?
There's always hope.
*prays to the FSM*OMG... this is why so many "cat people" bother me...
http://www.justiceforwilbur.co.uk/Justice_for_Wilb...
Their cat goes onto someone else's property, and it's that persons fault when it comes to harm
Edited by Davi on Thursday 1st April 10:30
Davi said:
308mate said:
MilnerR said:
Are we suggesting a mass cull of moggies?
There's always hope. *prays to the FSM*OMG... this is why so many "cat people" bother me...
http://www.justiceforwilbur.co.uk/Justice_for_Wilb...
Their cat goes onto someone else's property, and it's that persons fault when it comes to harm
Edited by Davi on Thursday 1st April 10:30
TBH whilst I agree in principal that the snake was in his own garden, if I found one of my cats had ended its life in the same way I'd be devastated and probably not see it in the same way!
Davi said:
308mate said:
MilnerR said:
Are we suggesting a mass cull of moggies?
There's always hope. *prays to the FSM*OMG... this is why so many "cat people" bother me...
http://www.justiceforwilbur.co.uk/Justice_for_Wilb...
Their cat goes onto someone else's property, and it's that persons fault when it comes to harm
Edited by Davi on Thursday 1st April 10:30
You cant put kittens at the top of the food chain by changing the law.
What next? A petition to keep cars off the road because Wilbur, through no fault of his own, wondered onto the road?
A better case would be to call the RSPCA, report Wilbur's owner for failing in his duty to provide proper care for an animal, given that he could have just as easily been hit by a car or been attacked by a fox.
I'd be interested to see what this petition would say, had Wiulbur been attacked and injured by another cat - which is just as likley, if not more.
These people claim that their pets are like children to them. If they would actually let their 4yr old child wonder into a strangers garden 4 doors away, I hope they stick to just keeping cats.
308mate said:
UNFKBLVBL.
You cant put kittens at the top of the food chain by changing the law.
What next? A petition to keep cars off the road because Wilbur, through no fault of his own, wondered onto the road?
A better case would be to call the RSPCA, report Wilbur's owner for failing in his duty to provide proper care for an animal, given that he could have just as easily been hit by a car or been attacked by a fox.
I'd be interested to see what this petition would say, had Wiulbur been attacked and injured by another cat - which is just as likley, if not more.
These people claim that their pets are like children to them. If they would actually let their 4yr old child wonder into a strangers garden 4 doors away, I hope they stick to just keeping cats.
That isn't what the petition is about You cant put kittens at the top of the food chain by changing the law.
What next? A petition to keep cars off the road because Wilbur, through no fault of his own, wondered onto the road?
A better case would be to call the RSPCA, report Wilbur's owner for failing in his duty to provide proper care for an animal, given that he could have just as easily been hit by a car or been attacked by a fox.
I'd be interested to see what this petition would say, had Wiulbur been attacked and injured by another cat - which is just as likley, if not more.
These people claim that their pets are like children to them. If they would actually let their 4yr old child wonder into a strangers garden 4 doors away, I hope they stick to just keeping cats.
It is due to the loss of a cat
but the points made are valid.The snake could quite easily have left its owners garden (like the cat did) and
eaten the cat - then would you be on the cats side? or are you too blinkered by cat hatred?
the owner wouldn't have a clue where it was.
eaten a toddler.
or a dog
aclivity said:
dudleybloke said:
to all those who are moaning about releasing a non-native creature into the british countryside, whats your thoughts about immigration?
Probably they understand the difference between "species" and "nationality".equal rights for reptiles!
911motorsport said:
These are a HUGE problem in our waterways now. Signal Crayfish from America. Some lake and river beds are carpeted with thousands of them. They are agressive and can deliver quite a nasty nip. Somehow, paddling in a cool stream or a lake has lost it's appeal 
but they taste great!dudleybloke said:
911motorsport said:
These are a HUGE problem in our waterways now. Signal Crayfish from America. Some lake and river beds are carpeted with thousands of them. They are agressive and can deliver quite a nasty nip. Somehow, paddling in a cool stream or a lake has lost it's appeal
but they taste great!
ali_kat said:
308mate said:
UNFKBLVBL.
You cant put kittens at the top of the food chain by changing the law.
What next? A petition to keep cars off the road because Wilbur, through no fault of his own, wondered onto the road?
A better case would be to call the RSPCA, report Wilbur's owner for failing in his duty to provide proper care for an animal, given that he could have just as easily been hit by a car or been attacked by a fox.
I'd be interested to see what this petition would say, had Wiulbur been attacked and injured by another cat - which is just as likley, if not more.
These people claim that their pets are like children to them. If they would actually let their 4yr old child wonder into a strangers garden 4 doors away, I hope they stick to just keeping cats.
That isn't what the petition is about You cant put kittens at the top of the food chain by changing the law.
What next? A petition to keep cars off the road because Wilbur, through no fault of his own, wondered onto the road?
A better case would be to call the RSPCA, report Wilbur's owner for failing in his duty to provide proper care for an animal, given that he could have just as easily been hit by a car or been attacked by a fox.
I'd be interested to see what this petition would say, had Wiulbur been attacked and injured by another cat - which is just as likley, if not more.
These people claim that their pets are like children to them. If they would actually let their 4yr old child wonder into a strangers garden 4 doors away, I hope they stick to just keeping cats.
It is due to the loss of a cat
but the points made are valid.The snake could quite easily have left its owners garden (like the cat did) and
eaten the cat - then would you be on the cats side? or are you too blinkered by cat hatred?
the owner wouldn't have a clue where it was.
eaten a toddler.
or a dog
What if the snake had escaped and was killed by the cat? Would you be defending the owner of the snake or the cat in this instance?
If people are going to let their cats wonder, accidents will happen. As others have said, it could easily have been a car that killed it or even a dog, animals that are often left to enjoy themselves in their owners back garden (after all, it is their property)
ali_kat said:
308mate said:
UNFKBLVBL.
You cant put kittens at the top of the food chain by changing the law.
What next? A petition to keep cars off the road because Wilbur, through no fault of his own, wondered onto the road?
A better case would be to call the RSPCA, report Wilbur's owner for failing in his duty to provide proper care for an animal, given that he could have just as easily been hit by a car or been attacked by a fox.
I'd be interested to see what this petition would say, had Wiulbur been attacked and injured by another cat - which is just as likley, if not more.
These people claim that their pets are like children to them. If they would actually let their 4yr old child wonder into a strangers garden 4 doors away, I hope they stick to just keeping cats.
That isn't what the petition is about You cant put kittens at the top of the food chain by changing the law.
What next? A petition to keep cars off the road because Wilbur, through no fault of his own, wondered onto the road?
A better case would be to call the RSPCA, report Wilbur's owner for failing in his duty to provide proper care for an animal, given that he could have just as easily been hit by a car or been attacked by a fox.
I'd be interested to see what this petition would say, had Wiulbur been attacked and injured by another cat - which is just as likley, if not more.
These people claim that their pets are like children to them. If they would actually let their 4yr old child wonder into a strangers garden 4 doors away, I hope they stick to just keeping cats.
It is due to the loss of a cat
but the points made are valid.The snake could quite easily have left its owners garden (like the cat did) and
eaten the cat - then would you be on the cats side? or are you too blinkered by cat hatred?
the owner wouldn't have a clue where it was.
eaten a toddler.
or a dog
Im not on the side of either animal. Im on the side of whichever owner's pet was in its own garden, not the side of the pet owner who thinks the law should be changed to allow their animals to roam free with impunity from home owners or the rest of the food chain.
Y'see, no snake has ever pissed on my doorstep consistently, or shat in my flower bed, or kept me awake at night shagging/fighting, or run out in front of my car. A majority of cat owners believe I should accept a flower bed full of cat s
t, despite not actually owning a cat.The onus is not on the part of the snake owner to protect an intruding cat.
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