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ETOPS

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retrobob said:
The airliners with missing fuel caps would come under various 737's etc > the bird strike from memory was a short haul but I can't remember now.

I know what Helicopter tape is used for > I was showing other posters.
Bullst confirmed.

No Boeing/Airbus have removable filler caps.

Any more gems?

Legend83

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Ouch!

ETOPS

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retrobob said:
I have to go soon so to wrap this up would like to come out and call me a straight out lier and not talk in circles any more >
Done.


RealSquirrels

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so back to the cake...

is this why every time i go on a plane i get bloody potato salad and not nice cake?

ETOPS

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retrobob said:
Right we agree to disagree.

You are wrong on the caps though.
Sure, they're not suction valves and pressure hosed at all. You just march your 77W up to the esso machine, and free pour 145,500 kilos of fuel.
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ETOPS

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RealSquirrels said:
so back to the cake...

is this why every time i go on a plane i get bloody potato salad and not nice cake?
Sir, you've got to ask for dessert, to be in with a shout of receiving cake. Potato salad, after the main course, does not a dessert make..!

doogz

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ETOPS said:
You can call it 'Starship Enterprise tape', you still won't find it on an airliner. A helicopter is a different proposition. You said airliner.

Lovely list, which includes precisely no aerospace uses. Probably used to patch up the toolbox which carries to tools to repair the bird strike on the leading edge wing, though.

Again, what airliner did you see missing fuel filler caps/wonder tape covering up a bird strike (rofl)?

Edited by ETOPS on Wednesday 10th October 16:30
Indeed.

On airliners, standard practice is drill a stop hole or two, and rivet a doubler plate over the top of the problem laugh

el stovey

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retrobob said:
Right we agree to disagree.

You are wrong on the caps though.
No Boeing I've operated has these mysterious removable fuel caps. They all have a fuel panel which you open then attach the fuel nozzle and open the valves with switches, after selecting the amount of fuel you want on the panel. No removable fuel caps. Airbus is the same.



ETOPS

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el stovey said:
No removable fuel caps.
That's because they're held on with gaffer tape. Get with the programme.

doogz

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Do the fuel caps open with the same key you start the plane with? Or is it a different key, like my old MK2 Astra?

ETOPS

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You'll have to ask retrobob.

I always assumed you scanned your boarding pass under a little machine, like when you're at the gate.

doogz

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So where are these 737's that are dropping imaginary fuel caps?

ETOPS

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Yep, all well and good on the GA side of things. I'm curious about pressurized jet aircraft; airbus/Boeing. In particular, the number of 737s you've seen with missing 'fuel filler caps'.

Just give up. Stop lying, and accept the fact that you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.

Ginetta G15 Girl

1,873 posts

71 months

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So,

When did Boeing, Airbus, et al, have over-wing refueling capability and not Pressure refueling?

Ray Luxury-Yacht

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Here's a bit of fun to add to the conversation.

I've posted before about being lucky enough to have flown around a fair bit of the UK, at low level in a Jet Ranger Heli. Spent about 6 or 7 days in total in the air, loved every second.

One morning, we came out to the Heli which was parked in a large garden of the B&B we were staying in overnight.

The pilot did his usual checks, and as he had one of the top inspection hatches open, he grabbed the rotor assembly shafts and gave them a good shake. They're mounted with moveable bushes, but there was quite a bit of play there as it seemed to move an awful lot.

He just snorted, and said to me 'heh, they're all knackered, these old Helis I have to fly' yikes

I THINK he was joking anyway... smile


robmlufc

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Some jets have caps over the pressure fittings that fit flush with the airframe, I guess these could drop off if not refitted correctly.

el stovey

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robmlufc said:
Some jets have caps over the pressure fittings that fit flush with the airframe, I guess these could drop off if not refitted correctly.
Only very very small jets.

On a 737.



The refuelling panel is under the wing and an access panel covers the whole shebang.

similar on 757/767/777 etc.

Here's a 777. As you can see the panel has a cover door which has four clips, it's unlikely to open by itself. There's no removable fuel caps.



There might be caps on the fuel nozzle but not the aircraft.




StevieBee

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TangerinePool said:
What absolute fcensoredg bcensoreds!

If that was the case we'd have more planes falling out the sky than the current ZERO that do. 1989 was the last time we had a fatal crash with one of our aircraft and that was due to pilot error and poor procedures for dealing with a blind engine failure, not 'errant use of gaffer tape'.
Was thinking the very same thing!

It has become common on PH and other places for baggage handlers, airport cleaning staff and the ilk to pass on stories about how they've seen planes leave with wings hanging off and other scary stuff but - and I may be wrong here - I do kind of think that there's a reason that such people remain baggage handlers and not pilots/ engineers, etc, who are actually better placed to judge such matters.


el stovey

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The A320 has a cover over the pressure refuelling receptor but it's unlikely to come off as it's attached to the wing by a lanyard, you wouldn't see it from the cabin as it's under the wing.



I'm not sure what all this is about anymore. Did someone say they'd seen a boeing with a fuel cap missing or an airbus or something else? hehe

robmlufc

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el stovey said:
Only very very small jets.

On a 737.



The refuelling panel is under the wing and an access panel covers the whole shebang.

similar on 757/767/777 etc.

Here's a 777. As you can see the panel has a cover door which has four clips, it's unlikely to open by itself. There's no removable fuel caps.



There might be caps on the fuel nozzle but not the aircraft.
Yup, fully aware of the 777 fuel system ;-) Just pointing out that fuel caps do exist, not just a myth.
Get enough airflow and a lanyard wont do a whole lot to help :-)

Edited by robmlufc on Thursday 11th October 08:55

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