Getting to Monaco avoiding France....
Discussion
Disastrous said:
as I don't agree with my having to obey laws as a general principle
Disastrous said:
but it's pretty impossible to avoid being a citizen here.
It's very easy to avoid being a citizen here. Heathrow is ---> that way. Which lawless utopia are you planning on emigrating to?Disastrous said:
I'd happily pay twice the cost of the fines in petrol
You don't just steal all the petrol you need? Why ever not?
Disastrous said:
There isn't a lawless utopia I can emigrate to, so the best option is to simply obey the law here out of necessity and break it abroad as I please.
Which also answers your final question.
Christ, you're a bunch of earnest old miseries, aren't you? So English!
Good luck getting caught speeding in Belgium, Germany, Switzerland and Italy on your way to Monaco .... Which also answers your final question.
Christ, you're a bunch of earnest old miseries, aren't you? So English!
Mark-C said:
Disastrous said:
There isn't a lawless utopia I can emigrate to, so the best option is to simply obey the law here out of necessity and break it abroad as I please.
Which also answers your final question.
Christ, you're a bunch of earnest old miseries, aren't you? So English!
Good luck getting caught speeding in Belgium, Germany, Switzerland and Italy on your way to Monaco .... Which also answers your final question.
Christ, you're a bunch of earnest old miseries, aren't you? So English!
Never mind. I'm not the OP, by the way. I don't even like Monaco.
My route to Monnaco was Belgium, Germany, Italy (Verona for a few days), Monnaco then a wee place called Castellane I think for about a week. I did go home right thru France.
Journey was amazing!
I do avoid France now however ( no fines ), as their speeding enforcement is at comedy levels and I have no desire to contribute to their insanity...
By avoid I mean keep to an absolute minimum my time spent driving on the roads there.
Journey was amazing!
I do avoid France now however ( no fines ), as their speeding enforcement is at comedy levels and I have no desire to contribute to their insanity...
By avoid I mean keep to an absolute minimum my time spent driving on the roads there.
Davidonly said:
My route to Monnaco was Belgium, Germany, Italy (Verona for a few days), Monnaco then a wee place called Castellane I think for about a week. I did go home right thru France.
Journey was amazing!
I do avoid France now however ( no fines ), as their speeding enforcement is at comedy levels and I have no desire to contribute to their insanity...
By avoid I mean keep to an absolute minimum my time spent driving on the roads there.
Yes Mrs BC & I do exactly the same. We also make sure the fuel tank is filled so that we don't spend any money in France.Journey was amazing!
I do avoid France now however ( no fines ), as their speeding enforcement is at comedy levels and I have no desire to contribute to their insanity...
By avoid I mean keep to an absolute minimum my time spent driving on the roads there.
Davidonly said:
I do avoid France now however ( no fines ), as their speeding enforcement is at comedy levels and I have no desire to contribute to their insanity...
By avoid I mean keep to an absolute minimum my time spent driving on the roads there.
Funny that because in my experience, enforcement is much much worse in Belgium and Switzerland which are two of the countries OP will have to drive through to avoid France! By avoid I mean keep to an absolute minimum my time spent driving on the roads there.
OP - on a similar trip we did Calais - Ghent - Brussels - Luxembourg - Strasbourg - Basel - Lugano - Milan - Genoa.
TooMany2cvs said:
Disastrous said:
There isn't a lawless utopia I can emigrate to
I can think of a few places where the law is so irrelevant that you should like 'em.Anyway, I was being flippant as I don't advocate an anarchist state of free murder and robbery at all. I do hate having to toe the line over minor matters like speeding and parking to an irrational degree however and I find the attitude of some of our euro neighbours much more palatable.
I got caught speeding outside Milan once and the female carabinieri (pretty!) who stopped me was so pleased to see an Alfa Romeo all the way from Scotland she waved me off to enjoy my holiday.
In Germany (I spend a lot of time in Bavaria) they 'do' speeding tickets but without the ridiculous moral preaching we do here. They seem much more "well, you were caught, you pay and you're free to do it again if you wish" about it, rather than trying to eradicate speeding at all costs. In Führt, incidentally, it's marginally cheaper to park illegally and pay the fine than it is to park all day on a meter in some parts of the city. Which is nice.
Disastrous said:
In Führt, incidentally, it's marginally cheaper to park illegally and pay the fine than it is to park all day on a meter in some parts of the city. Which is nice.
I'm always amazed by the fact that the fine for parking illegally in Paris is £13. Even then, they still complain!Davidonly said:
My route to Monnaco was Belgium, Germany, Italy (Verona for a few days), Monnaco then a wee place called Castellane I think for about a week. I did go home right thru France.
Journey was amazing!
I do avoid France now however ( no fines ), as their speeding enforcement is at comedy levels and I have no desire to contribute to their insanity...
By avoid I mean keep to an absolute minimum my time spent driving on the roads there.
But surely that means going through Swiss which is way less car friendly than France with much stiffer penalties, for everything?Journey was amazing!
I do avoid France now however ( no fines ), as their speeding enforcement is at comedy levels and I have no desire to contribute to their insanity...
By avoid I mean keep to an absolute minimum my time spent driving on the roads there.
France has this vast area in the middle, which runs into it's Alps, which outside peak season remains nigh on deserted throughout. You can easily stay off the most popular routes and yet still be on some of the very best roads that god graced this planet with, with virtually no chance of encountering les flics - or hardly anyone else come to that.
It's a good reminder by the OP - I don't ever want to not be able to visit the Midi, Massifs or Alpes - as I say, one vast, near-deserted playground, just 8 hours from Calais.
heebeegeetee said:
Davidonly said:
My route to Monnaco was Belgium, Germany, Italy (Verona for a few days), Monnaco then a wee place called Castellane I think for about a week. I did go home right thru France.
Journey was amazing!
I do avoid France now however ( no fines ), as their speeding enforcement is at comedy levels and I have no desire to contribute to their insanity...
By avoid I mean keep to an absolute minimum my time spent driving on the roads there.
But surely that means going through Swiss which is way less car friendly than France with much stiffer penalties, for everything?Journey was amazing!
I do avoid France now however ( no fines ), as their speeding enforcement is at comedy levels and I have no desire to contribute to their insanity...
By avoid I mean keep to an absolute minimum my time spent driving on the roads there.
France has this vast area in the middle, which runs into it's Alps, which outside peak season remains nigh on deserted throughout. You can easily stay off the most popular routes and yet still be on some of the very best roads that god graced this planet with, with virtually no chance of encountering les flics - or hardly anyone else come to that.
It's a good reminder by the OP - I don't ever want to not be able to visit the Midi, Massifs or Alpes - as I say, one vast, near-deserted playground, just 8 hours from Calais.
Roads are of great quality but being on UK plates and doing a sensible 90 mph can cause you a problem. Since I am totally unconvinced that speed is an issue at such levels on such great roads I am reluctant to travel there. I do still intend to visit the more rural parts again but I don't make a habit of making transits through France.
You can access Italy without going through Switzerland...
In some ways the cynical approach of the French authorities makes it less appealing than Switzerland's admittedly tough (equally misguided) line on motoring velocity.
Disastrous said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Disastrous said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Disastrous said:
There isn't a lawless utopia I can emigrate to
I can think of a few places where the law is so irrelevant that you should like 'em.TooMany2cvs said:
Disastrous said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Disastrous said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Disastrous said:
There isn't a lawless utopia I can emigrate to
I can think of a few places where the law is so irrelevant that you should like 'em.Amateurish said:
Disastrous said:
In Führt, incidentally, it's marginally cheaper to park illegally and pay the fine than it is to park all day on a meter in some parts of the city. Which is nice.
I'm always amazed by the fact that the fine for parking illegally in Paris is £13. Even then, they still complain!
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