Sharm - would you?

[Blown2CV]

WinstonWolf said:

Blown2CV said:

WinstonWolf said:

Blown2CV said:

el stovey said:

Blown2CV said:

WinstonWolf said:

Blown2CV said:

twing said:

I did go in September and it was still the same, got on well with the locals, food,etc. It was the British that that let it down and I won't be going again. Nothing to do with the planes going down though.

might be a good bet in about a year when all the english and russians have finally taken the decision to go elsewhere! Empty infinity pools, infinite food, infinite sun loungers... i mean it's all on fire and in ruins but lets not quibble.

I felt safer in Sharm than I did in the Caribbean... Basically if you go anywhere warmer than Brighton everyone is a bit mental.

agree partly. I wouldn't really fancy Caribbean either, although the risk there is about being burgled/robbed/raped/murdered/kidnapped/all of the above on an individual basis rather than en masse.

Just out of interest Blown2CV, where do you feel safe on holiday.

you've utterly misunderstood me. The places I wouldn't feel safe are the ones I've mentioned. I'm not a risk averse person, and I am off to thailand for 2 weeks over xmas and NY, and despite the temple bombing and political unrest, I wouldn't feel unsafe there. So, that means something - if someone who takes a balanced view of risk (and risk is part of my job) says they feel unsafe in egypt that definitely isn't something you can just dismiss with a silly smiley.

Sharm will be safer than it was (not that it's statistically unsafe at the moment) due to this incident. I would feel far safer walking around town at night in Sharm than I would in Jamaica.

Realistically I'm more likely to die while driving to/from the airport than I am whilst I'm in Sharm.

yes but you can CHOOSE where you want to go on holiday. You can't CHOOSE to not get to the airport in order to fly there. The point is why the fk would you continue to choose a militarised state which is all over the news for being dangerous as fk? You can justify it all you like but it all comes back to money. Just like those contractors who CHOOSE to work in Iraq for a fat wad of cash, which is great right up until they get beheaded.

If you just wave away all risk in this "meh, life is risky" way then you can't complain if it all comes home to roost. Equally, you won't be able to complain in this example, as you'd be fking vaporised.

I'm not complaining, I put my money where my mouth is and I'll be going again next year unless the FCO advises against it.

You're a chicken, I get that but don't take your bitterness out on us real men who aren't afraid of some poncey terrorists.

I'll also be going to Pripyat, but I'm saving that one for when I'm a bit closer to death, just in case...

i'd really like to go to the chernobyl region too; it is not the same thing at all. It isn't about being afraid of terrorists you pretend-macho tool (you'd st your fking pants if you were caught in the middle of it - you're not a superhero so put that down right now), it's about choosing from another of the world's many many locations to enjoy a holiday rather than holidaying in a warzone with the other benefits claimants because it's cheap. There are probably quite a few places i don't want to go to in the world, such as somalia. Does that make me a pussy, or does that mean that as i only get 30 days holiday a year i would prefer to choose somewhere that i actually want to go to. The fact that Sharm is full of rough people is rather the sugar which helps the bitter medicine of never being able to get 3 days of food poisoning in an uninteresting 50-degree heat desert again.

[boyse7en]

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not complaining, I put my money where my mouth is and I'll be going again next year unless the FCO advises against it.

You're a chicken, I get that but don't take your bitterness out on us real men who aren't afraid of some poncey terrorists.

I'll also be going to Pripyat, but I'm saving that one for when I'm a bit closer to death, just in case...

You should be afraid of terrorists, they really are out to kill you

[WinstonWolf]

boyse7en said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not complaining, I put my money where my mouth is and I'll be going again next year unless the FCO advises against it.

You're a chicken, I get that but don't take your bitterness out on us real men who aren't afraid of some poncey terrorists.

I'll also be going to Pripyat, but I'm saving that one for when I'm a bit closer to death, just in case...

You should be afraid of terrorists, they really are out to kill you

Been dead once already, I've been on extra time for the last thirty years

I'm not overly concerned about Sharm, the security has been ramped up, the next strike will be somewhere else...

If you're afraid of the big bad terrorists I reckon Sharm is a pretty safe bet.

[popeyewhite]

Blown2CV said:

it's about choosing from another of the world's many many locations to enjoy a holiday rather than holidaying in a warzone

You've cancelled your Thailand holiday haven't you.. because a bomb went off in Bangkok earlier this year? What's that? You haven't? How odd.

Blown2CV said:

with the other benefits claimants because it's cheap.

Thailand's cheaper

Blown2CV said:

The fact that Sharm is full of rough people

It's not. Not particularly more than Spain, for instance. Or parts of Thailand.

Blown2CV said:

..is rather the sugar which helps the bitter medicine of never being able to get 3 days of food poisoning in an uninteresting 50-degree heat desert again.

Plenty of people don't get food poisoning; Sharm's not in the desert it's on the coast, Oh and the average summer temperature rarely exceeds 34c.


I think what we have here is no more than misguided snobbery from the poster.

[Blown2CV]

to be fair the people that go to sharm are always going to get defensive of it, so i am not going to tackle any of the above.

[WinstonWolf]

Blown2CV said:

to be fair the people that go to sharm are always going to get defensive of it, so i am not going to tackle any of the above.

So are people who go ladyboy hunting but if you like that sort of thing.

That *is* the only reason people go there as I understand it...

[popeyewhite]

Blown2CV said:

to be fair the people that go to sharm are always going to get defensive of it,

I no longer dive off Sharm, it's better in southern Egypt, if I dive in that area.

Blown2CV said:

so i am not going to tackle any of the above.

So you won't be cancelling your Thailand holiday then?

[MX51ROD]

PositronicRay said:

I'm that case I'd be finding £50pp.

Done
Grand Canaria, day earlier , taking into account £50 pp rebooking fee , much the same cost .
Also , result from Premier Inn , due to circumstances , allowing us to transfer the room booking even though it was a non cancellation booking
So in all , Happy

[Tonberry]

More to the point - why is North Africa such a popular destination with people who (mostly) despise the ethnic groups who inhabit said countries.

A crisis of principles I guess where cheap holidays > racism. Although seeing the way Russians et al treat said inhabitants it seems they have their cake and eat it.

[LuS1fer]

For many, a holiday is about the weather so any self-contained or fake resort will do as they barely step foot outside.
I prefer to explore and I wouldn't feel safe doing that.
In addition, as I don't believe in their religion (or any religion for that matter) or customs, I don't feel I should impose, any more than a bunch of Ehyptians coming her to an all-Egyptian resort.

Quite like the idea of the diving but that is available elsewhere.

[audidoody]

Tiggsy said:

came back 2 weeks ago - would go again tomorrow.

I hear someone died on the M25 yesterday....who's cancelling their trip to work???

And i was in Soho at 3am last saturday after a night out.....I'll take sharks and terrorists over the 3 hoodies behind me in the all night store!!!

Random urban crime is not quite the same as getting caught up in a war being waged by the biggest and strongest terrorist organisation in the world with the avowed aim to destablise the Arab world, conquer the levant to establish the "Caliphate" and murder infidels (of which you are one).

Apart from that I'll be sure to look out for you on next week's episode of "SAS- Are You Tough Enough".

[popeyewhite]

audidoody said:

Random urban crime is not quite the same as getting caught up in a war being waged by the biggest and strongest terrorist organisation in the world with the avowed aim to destablise the Arab world, conquer the levant to establish the "Caliphate" and murder infidels (of which you are one).

Oh right, that's how you describe 'some aholes put a bomb on a plane' then.

[Welshbeef]

popeyewhite said:

Oh right, that's how you describe 'some aholes put a bomb on a plane' then.

Wow where is that whoosh parrot - you missed that one that's for sure

[popeyewhite]

Welshbeef said:

popeyewhite said:

Oh right, that's how you describe 'some aholes put a bomb on a plane' then.

Wow where is that whoosh parrot - you missed that one that's for sure

I missed something that's for sure. What are you talking about?

[PositronicRay]

It's just been reported that a Thompson flight had a near miss from a missile in august.

Do you still think its a pleasant and relaxing place to take a holiday?

[Welshbeef]

PositronicRay said:

It's just been reported that a Thompson flight had a near miss from a missile in august.

Do you still think its a pleasant and relaxing place to take a holiday?

Probably only real men can handle that minor scrape.

[GT03ROB]

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not complaining, I put my money where my mouth is and I'll be going again next year unless the FCO advises against it.

You're a chicken, I get that but don't take your bitterness out on us real men who aren't afraid of some poncey terrorists.

I'll also be going to Pripyat, but I'm saving that one for when I'm a bit closer to death, just in case...

Did I miss the parrot of whoosh or smiley that should have accompanied this?

[llewop]

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not complaining, I put my money where my mouth is and I'll be going again next year unless the FCO advises against it.

You're a chicken, I get that but don't take your bitterness out on us real men who aren't afraid of some poncey terrorists.

I'll also be going to Pripyat, but I'm saving that one for when I'm a bit closer to death, just in case...

interesting grasp of relative risk you've got!

A friend flew out of Sharm later the same day as the Russian flight and was amazed at the lack of security diligence. It would come as no surprise to me if the cause of the crash is a bomb put on board in Sharm, probably by airport staff. As and until that is tightened up it can and quite probably will happen again. Clearly not every flight is going to get bombed, but it only has to be a few to put the place on the no fly list.

I've been to Pripyat, underwhelmed to be honest - the biggest risk would be the roads getting there from Kiev!

[WinstonWolf]

Sensible post alert! A quick explosive death doesn't bother me in the slightest (been dead once already) a slow death in poor health scares me stless...

I'm fortunate that I've had an extra thirty years I almost didn't have, it gives me a very fatalistic outlook on life, a near death experience is surprisingly liberating experience

I get that most people are scared of getting blown up, I'm just not one of them...


ETA Sharm is very much like Russia, the most dangerous thing there is the driving

Edited by WinstonWolf on Saturday 7th November 09:34

[llewop]

WinstonWolf said:

Sensible post alert! A quick explosive death doesn't bother me in the slightest (been dead once already) a slow death in poor health scares me stless...

I'm fortunate that I've had an extra thirty years I almost didn't have, it gives me a very fatalistic outlook on life, a near death experience is surprisingly liberating experience

I get that most people are scared of getting blown up, I'm just not one of them...


ETA Sharm is very much like Russia, the most dangerous thing there is the driving

Edited by WinstonWolf on Saturday 7th November 09:34

fair enough with the perspective you mention - I'm fatalistic too, so recognise if I'm unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, it could end very quickly and messily, not scared of it; just use my judgement to mitigate the risk of it happening.