Opertion stack petition
Discussion
Cant see if this link has already been posted , but if you live in the South East or travel via the M20 it affects you !
https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-stop-ope...
https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-stop-ope...
MX51ROD said:
Cant see if this link has already been posted , but if you live in the South East or travel via the M20 it affects you !
https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-stop-ope...
Agreed that it's far from ideal but what a ridiculous petition - unless you're proposing a solution, it's pretty pointless saying 'you mustn't do x'. https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-stop-ope...
Nickyboy said:
Good idea in principle but you'll need a massive place to park them up, 2 weeks ago there was over 5000 trucks parked up, and it's not just the parking but roads, infrastructure, facilities etc.
Is there any infrastructure or facilities alongside the M20? genuine question. Do the drivers sit in their cab for the week?MX51ROD said:
Cant see if this link has already been posted , but if you live in the South East or travel via the M20 it affects you !
https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-stop-ope...
I live in the South East and it doesn't affect me!https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-stop-ope...
MacW said:
How often is Operation Stack implemented?
A quick Google suggests a handful of times in the last 27 years, it doesn't appear to be a particularly frequent problem.
Normally it isn't - a day or two of industrial action or ports closed for bad weather.A quick Google suggests a handful of times in the last 27 years, it doesn't appear to be a particularly frequent problem.
This year it just keeps on happening - it's totally unsustainable.
MacW said:
How often is Operation Stack implemented?
A quick Google suggests a handful of times in the last 27 years, it doesn't appear to be a particularly frequent problem.
Read here ,A quick Google suggests a handful of times in the last 27 years, it doesn't appear to be a particularly frequent problem.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-33663944
more than a handful , as well as the on going ferry strike probs , there is an almost nightly invasion of illegals in and around the Tunnel terminal 2 have been killed so far and the French are just sitting on their thumbs
Shutting a major motorway and using it as a car/lorry park may ok for "a handful of times " but the slightest hiccup on the ferries or tunnel , there are more than ever , and the South East corner grinds to a halt , the old A20 via all the villages is gridlocked at the time when stack is on , and it must be hell for those that live in the M20 corridor , so shrugging and saying "it doesn't affect me" is a bit short sighted and a touch selfish
The Mad Monk said:
myvision said:
Where else can the lorries go?
You see, the thing I don't understand is this.Why don't the lorries use a different port? Like, say, Newhaven to Dieppe? Or, I dunno, Southampton or somewhere to St. Malo or somewhere?
I mean, it can't be difficult, can it, Shirley?
2. It's not like there's a fleet of ferries sat at Newhaven, Portsmouth, etc just in case there's a strike and suddenly something like 2/3 of the cross channel capacity is unavailable. I'm sure lots of lorries ARE using other crossings - but only if they have time-critical deliveries where the high price of using a different crossing is less than the cost of missing the delivery/having a driver just sat at the side of the road (probably not being paid in a number of cases).
//j17 said:
The Mad Monk said:
myvision said:
Where else can the lorries go?
You see, the thing I don't understand is this.Why don't the lorries use a different port? Like, say, Newhaven to Dieppe? Or, I dunno, Southampton or somewhere to St. Malo or somewhere?
I mean, it can't be difficult, can it, Shirley?
2. It's not like there's a fleet of ferries sat at Newhaven, Portsmouth, etc just in case there's a strike and suddenly something like 2/3 of the cross channel capacity is unavailable. I'm sure lots of lorries ARE using other crossings - but only if they have time-critical deliveries where the high price of using a different crossing is less than the cost of missing the delivery/having a driver just sat at the side of the road (probably not being paid in a number of cases).
MX51ROD said:
Roo said:
DFDS. That's why their ferries are banned from Calais.
DFDS took on the ex MyFerry boast but only 200 of the 600 staff , hence the dispute this had left the Dover /Calais short of 7 ferries , so the slightest sneeze in Calais , and SE England gets the cold .
I was just pointing out that the sale of MFL was down to DFDS, not P&O.
The Mad Monk said:
You see, the thing I don't understand is this.
Why don't the lorries use a different port? Like, say, Newhaven to Dieppe? Or, I dunno, Southampton or somewhere to St. Malo or somewhere?
I mean, it can't be difficult, can it, Shirley?
Because those ports are already at capacity and the capacity is a lot lower than Calais. Plus the crossing costs, diesel costs. A Portsmouth to Santander ferry is 5x that of Dover to Calais. Why don't the lorries use a different port? Like, say, Newhaven to Dieppe? Or, I dunno, Southampton or somewhere to St. Malo or somewhere?
I mean, it can't be difficult, can it, Shirley?
The actual delay isn't massive, a day or so at most but obviously as some trucks move on, more join the back of the queue so it seems like it's no moving anywhere
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