Taking a baby to the carribeake. Advice please.

[57Ford]

Good thread for me, our daughter will be 4 months when we go there in June. Not too concerned about the flight because she'll either cry or she won't and it's a fact of life. I've spent many a flight with rowdy groups of snowboarders or stag / hen parties when all I wanted was peace and quiet.
It's more the keeping her cool and out of reach of mozzies and things since you can't use repellent at that age. A muslin would work for both I suppose. These beach tent things can get very warm inside despite being shady apparently so I'm looking for one which allows a breeze to pass through.

[schmalex]

Oops! Cracked iPhone screen let me down there!!!!

[57Ford]

schmalex said:

Oops! Cracked iPhone screen let me down there!!!!

... and again!

[audidoody]

www.mumsnet.com/ called - they want their thread back

[Zod]

audidoody said:

www.mumsnet.com/ called - they want their thread back

Yeah, because real men don't have children and women can't be members of PH!

[jonamv8]

I flew to Crete last week on Thomson

Horrific

Toddlers, of which there were plenty, never stopped. I counted down the minutes for the full 4 hours

[Zod]

jonamv8 said:

I flew to Crete last week on Thomson

Horrific

Toddlers, of which there were plenty, never stopped. I counted down the minutes for the full 4 hours

Next time, take your private jet.

[Kermit power]

SlackBladder said:

Oceanic said:

You are taking a 4 month old baby on a long haul flight! Is that really fair on the baby? or the fellow passengers?

Useful response. I guess you don't have kids, and are of the opinion that those who do shouldn't be allowed to take theirs on public transport.

I've got three of them, aged 13, 10 & 8. I wouldn't for one moment have contemplated being so selfish as to take any of them on a long haul flight at the age of 4 months just so that I could go and sit on a beach. It's unfair to the baby, and unfair to other passengers.

Thankfully I no longer have to travel long haul on business, but I used to absolutely hate the sight of babies anywhere within about 15 rows of me when I did. Sure, some of them might be quiet and angelic the whole way, but if one of them kicks off in the row behind you, then forget about sleeping! When your business has forked out over £2k for a return flight in business class to make sure you're in a fit state to work on arrival, it's completely fking infuriating!

Got elderly, infirm relatives on the other side of the world? OK, I can at least understand and sympathise with your desire for them to meet their grandchildren, but this is just the height of selfishness.

[jonamv8]

Zod said:

jonamv8 said:

I flew to Crete last week on Thomson

Horrific

Toddlers, of which there were plenty, never stopped. I counted down the minutes for the full 4 hours

Next time, take your private jet.

My Citation is back in the hangar awaiting its airworthiness inspection, Cessna didn't have a rental unfortunately. I'll charter something back though to get away from the runts,, one nearly damaged my partners Louis Vuitton Neverfull through kicking it the entire flight.

Or I'll stick to the Maldeves when flying commercial, first class of course

Edited by jonamv8 on Tuesday 31st May 14:07

[deckster]

Kermit power said:

When your business has forked out over £2k for a return flight in business class to make sure you're in a fit state to work on arrival, it's completely fking infuriating!
...
Got elderly, infirm relatives on the other side of the world? OK, I can at least understand and sympathise with your desire for them to meet their grandchildren, but this is just the height of selfishness.

My irony meter just exploded. God forbid that anybody else could possibly impinge on your no-doubt vitally important business meetings.

Sadly my employer is too tight to spring for transatlantic business class, so when I have to go over the pond (about 4 times a year, on average) it's always in economy and very rarely have I ever even noticed crying kids, let alone been bothered by it. TBH the most disturbed flight I've ever had when on one of those rare occasions I was upgraded to club, and the guy in the pod next to me was demanding fresh G&Ts every half hour. Give me conscientious parents over self-important businessmen any day of the week.

[SlackBladder]

Kermit power said:

SlackBladder said:

Oceanic said:

You are taking a 4 month old baby on a long haul flight! Is that really fair on the baby? or the fellow passengers?

Useful response. I guess you don't have kids, and are of the opinion that those who do shouldn't be allowed to take theirs on public transport.

I've got three of them, aged 13, 10 & 8. I wouldn't for one moment have contemplated being so selfish as to take any of them on a long haul flight at the age of 4 months just so that I could go and sit on a beach. It's unfair to the baby, and unfair to other passengers.

Thankfully I no longer have to travel long haul on business, but I used to absolutely hate the sight of babies anywhere within about 15 rows of me when I did. Sure, some of them might be quiet and angelic the whole way, but if one of them kicks off in the row behind you, then forget about sleeping! When your business has forked out over £2k for a return flight in business class to make sure you're in a fit state to work on arrival, it's completely fking infuriating!

Got elderly, infirm relatives on the other side of the world? OK, I can at least understand and sympathise with your desire for them to meet their grandchildren, but this is just the height of selfishness.

Oh no, poor you

It could be worse though, you may have had to pay out over £2K each out of your own hard earned only to find some smug business traveller looks down his nose at you because you have the cheek to check into 'his' class. To make matters worse the business traveller then calls the steward over to complain whilst pointing at you and your family, and then hasn't got the balls to answer you when you ask him at the end of the flight if he had a nice undisturbed sleep.
Get over yourself and wake up to the fact that unless you have a private jet, it's public transport.

[Zod]

I fly Business Class quite a bit for work and sometimes I pay for it with family (less these days, now I have to pay for the kids). I have never been bothered by a child. I have, however, been kept awake by snorers and drunks.

[audidoody]

How about snoring drunk children?

[Zod]

audidoody said:

How about snoring drunk children?

They are not as bad as snoring drunk adults, because the noise doesn't carry as far.

[oyster]

SlackBladder said:

oyster said:

SlackBladder said:

Oceanic said:

You are taking a 4 month old baby on a long haul flight! Is that really fair on the baby? or the fellow passengers?

Useful response. I guess you don't have kids, and are of the opinion that those who do shouldn't be allowed to take theirs on public transport.

I have had young kids in the last few years. I managed to avoid the selfish need for sun-filled tropical paradises for a few years. I had plenty of those holidays before kids and I'll have them again.

In an adult lifespan of 60 years, missing maybe 15-20 of them to tropical holidays is really little hardship.

Edited by oyster on Friday 27th May 12:14

Did you buy a caravan

Not quite.

Well unless BA First is a caravan.
And a couple of cruises.
And a few trips to France.
Plus many long weekends around the UK.

It's the hot tropical holidays that can wait a few years.

[The Tea Boy]

Well we're here now, no dramas or noise from the boy on the flight . Although the retard informs of ,e who reclined his seat all the way here but stayed sitting forwards and being loud was a pain. It is hot here, but the boys adapted well.
We're really pleased we came. Thanks again for the useful suggestions.

Matt

[TheGuru]

Oceanic said:

You are taking a 4 month old baby on a long haul flight! Is that really fair on the baby? or the fellow passengers?

I spend around 40 hours on flights every month, babies and children are never a problem, its adults that are annoying. Often those with an attitude like yourself.

[Zod]

TheGuru said:

Oceanic said:

You are taking a 4 month old baby on a long haul flight! Is that really fair on the baby? or the fellow passengers?

I spend around 40 hours on flights every month, babies and children are never a problem, its adults that are annoying. Often those with an attitude like yourself.

Indeed.

[Oceanic]

TheGuru said:

spend around 40 hours on flights every month, babies and children are never a problem, its adults that are annoying. Often those with an attitude like yourself.

What, showing consideration for a baby's welfare or fellow passengers comfort! I guess it just depends on what your view on being considerate is.

I have been on several long haul flights in recent years where babies have screamed the whole way and ruined the experience for other passengers, but also I imagine the babies in question were obviously unhappy! Personally, I think it is selfish to fly with a young one if you think there is a chance the baby will make a noise or be unhappy and I know I am not alone on this. If loud baby screaming is acceptable, then perhaps we should allow drunken and noisey passengers to be left unchallenged, noise is noise at the end of the day! Some people, myself included find high pitch screaming quite stressful.

[Zod]

Oceanic said:

TheGuru said:

spend around 40 hours on flights every month, babies and children are never a problem, its adults that are annoying. Often those with an attitude like yourself.

What, showing consideration for a baby's welfare or fellow passengers comfort! I guess it just depends on what your view on being considerate is.

I have been on several long haul flights in recent years where babies have screamed the whole way and ruined the experience for other passengers, but also I imagine the babies in question were obviously unhappy! Personally, I think it is selfish to fly with a young one if you think there is a chance the baby will make a noise or be unhappy and I know I am not alone on this. If loud baby screaming is acceptable, then perhaps we should allow drunken and noisey passengers to be left unchallenged, noise is noise at the end of the day! Some people, myself included find high pitch screaming quite stressful.

It's public transport. You should try Netjets. It's cheaper than buying or chartering.