Do you use an accountant?

Do you use an accountant?

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BGARK

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5,494 posts

246 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Just curious really. Unless you turnover more than £6.5 million, employ more than 50 people etc you do not need audited accounts.

So my question is how much do you pay an accountant and what do you expect in return?

All of the basic stuff is easily handled by modern software these days so unless its to do a final check off for a couple of hours what else do you need?

Thanks.

Big E 118

2,410 posts

169 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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My accountant advises me on the most tax efficient way to run the business and keeps up to date with the very regular legislation changes.

It's a far better use of my time to manage my business and pay someone else to deal with the accounts. My accountants fees are pretty minimal over the year and I'd think he saves me more than I pay him.

Tonsko

6,299 posts

215 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Yes. The accountant is there for tax efficiency (even on small turnover, but they do all our personal stuff too), and generally saves far more than they charge for doing the books. We don't have the time or the will to keep up with the shifting tax rules from year to year. Perhaps they don't change that often, but our circumstances may do so. Well worth it. YMMV etc. and so forth.

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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No smile

0000

13,812 posts

191 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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They saved me from having to figure out the various boxes on a VAT return after HMRC started threatening court action. smile

For that and never really having to figure out the end of year accounts, I now pay a few grand a year.

Smiler.

11,752 posts

230 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Yep, essential imo.

Mine has looked after my financial stuff for over 20 years & is always ready to help.

13m

26,280 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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BGARK said:
So my question is how much do you pay an accountant and what do you expect in return?
I pay them too much and I expect them to get the accounts wrong at least twice annually.

The biggest stresses in my business life so far can be traced to an accountant somewhere.


ashleyman

6,985 posts

99 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Yes. Essential. Extremely helpful when dealing with US and European accounting laws.

Plus they save me more tax than I pay them so that's good. smile

BGARK

Original Poster:

5,494 posts

246 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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So yes is the answer but only if you can find a good one.

Tonsko

6,299 posts

215 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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If you tell us where you are, we can offer someone's name! smile

Hoofy

76,354 posts

282 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Eric Mc said:
No smile
Why ever not? Don't you understand the value of having an accountant???






















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Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Hoofy said:
Eric Mc said:
No smile
Why ever not? Don't you understand the value of having an accountant???






















wink
No value to me, that's for sure.

Tonsko

6,299 posts

215 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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BGARK said:
Bedfordshire, PM me for an exact postcode. Thanks.
Not somewhere I've ever engaged one, but I 'm sure someone has. thumbup

Hoofy

76,354 posts

282 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Eric Mc said:
Hoofy said:
Eric Mc said:
No smile
Why ever not? Don't you understand the value of having an accountant???






















wink
No value to me, that's for sure.
Alright, show off!

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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There is no doubt that the introduction of Making Tax Digital and Quarterly Accounting for sole traders and landlords is going to fundamentally change the relationship between accountants and clients.

Those of us in the practice side of accounting are watching developments in this area very carefully - and with much concern, it has to be said.

plasticpig

12,932 posts

225 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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BGARK said:
Just curious really. Unless you turnover more than £6.5 million, employ more than 50 people etc you do not need audited accounts.

So my question is how much do you pay an accountant and what do you expect in return?

All of the basic stuff is easily handled by modern software these days so unless its to do a final check off for a couple of hours what else do you need?

Thanks.
My company used to be audited (by Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu no less) and we are a lot smaller than that. It was a requirement for several contracts we used be involved with. On top of that it had to be an unqualified opinion which can be a major pain.

These days we use an external accountant to prepare and file the CT600 and the annual accounts to HMRC. Don't think we have physically seen our external accountant for the last 3 years...


TartanPaint

2,988 posts

139 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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When I closed my ltd company (went back to a perm job after contracting for a few years), my accountant neglected to advise me that I should empty the company bank account BEFORE he notified companies house. I figured I'd empty it after everything else was done and then I'd know nothing else needed to be paid, including him.

Turns out as soon as a company is struck off, the bank account belongs to HMRC, as does everything in it. Unless you have a really, really good excuse, you can't have it back.

I don't like my accountant.

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Pretty basic error - by all concerned.

Were you able to recover your money?

Did you try?

BGARK

Original Poster:

5,494 posts

246 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Perhaps I should have rephrased the question slightly.

Yes I would like to use an accountant for key things but I would like to use a good one!




TartanPaint

2,988 posts

139 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Eric Mc said:
Pretty basic error - by all concerned.

Were you able to recover your money?

Did you try?
I did try. I wasn't able to. There is a process for it at HMRC, but it's costly and you need a valid reason. Live and learn, and treat accountants as a necessary evil, not a source of guidance or advice.