RE: Marcos TSO
Discussion
yellabelly said:
Errr.... wake up, you really must stop deluding yourself that Marcos have done anything worthwile (ever), do you really think that this abomination is what customers WANT and that TVR should be doing the same!
Firstly I'm a TVR kind of guy, I've had 6 so I feel qualified to comment.
Secondly can I ask have you actualy been to the show and seen the car for yourself?
I was very sceptical but if you see it for yourself you might well be pleasantly surprised. It's very well done and for some the newer TVRs are too wierd and aggressive.
I like the Tuscan, I had one but for me the Saggyarse is just too Max Power, and it's easy to gloss over the engine issues until it happens to you.
So I think there is a place for this car and it should do very well. Having spent half an hour with the owner Mr Stellagia (sp?) I don't believe he's in it to not have a succesfull business.
He's a very sucessfull and astute man.
>> Edited by bertie on Friday 28th May 10:04
yellabelly said:
do you really think that this abomination is what customers WANT and that TVR should be doing the same!
YES !
And as evidence, I would point out the TVR make less than a thousand cars a year these days - less then half the number of cars they made in the peak of Griffith and Chim production.
And TVR's freefall in the secondhand market. Just try to sell a Tuscan to a non-TVR dealer and you 'll see what I mean..
SO YES, this is what TVR should be doing.
If they had maybe production could have increased rather than halved over the years...
toppstuff said:
well it seems that damian mctaggart has shot himself in the foot,
that car is a rip off of a TVR T350, Speed 12 (the origional) and a bit of Tamora, and shows that he does not have a creative bone in his body. I think he could of done with the TVR boys. the car is even worse in the flesh, A interior fron the 1920`s, doors that sound like rusty old gates, a mish mash of TVRs done in a real bad way, and they must be taking the p*** asking 40k for it, what a joke, i cant stop laughing!!!
The boys at TVR that he left behind must be cracking them selfs up at that joke of a car!
sorry i think ats a pile of crud!
Cobblers !
its fantastic.
And preferable to any current TVR as it has a proper V8 and is built properly without glue stains all over the interior.
No contest.
TVR will soon be very embarrassed at the wrong direction they have taken.
WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT.
that car is a joke the build quality of the show car was crap, it is only going to atrtractive to the old git and his zimmer!!! TVR have nothing to worry about whats so ever.
the a-team said:
WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT.
that car is a joke the build quality of the show car was crap, it is only going to atrtractive to the old git and his zimmer!!!
Clearly what we were forgetting is that we know nothing and Mr A-Team knows everything, is the true and final arbiter on all matters relating to everything, and has the only opinion worth anything.
How offensive and insulting.
the a-team said:
TVR have nothing to worry about whats so ever.
According to their published accounts, they lost £3/4 of a million in 2000. £1.5 million in 2001 and have just turned a small £400k profit in 2002.
Turnover has reduced from £33million to £22million in the same period and they've got 21 CCJs against them in the last 18 months.
I'd be worried if I were them!
>> Edited by bertie on Friday 28th May 12:33
the a team said:
WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT.
that car is a joke the build quality of the show car was crap, it is only going to atrtractive to the old git and his zimmer!!!
I notice that your profile doesn't actually say what you drive.
I can only assume it's too embarrasing to mention.
Or a BMW.
If you are going to criticise the build quality, add some weight to your thin arguement by saying what you are basing this on.
And if it's TVR, why then are there posts from TVR owners commenting on the good build quality?
Surely, as owners of TVR's, they have first hand experience of TVR build quality, and are in a better position to pass judgement than you are.
'the a team', big of mouth, small of mind.
If you dislike the car so much, my advice is don't buy one.
Simple.
Even a doddering old git and his zimmer could tell you that one.....
>> Edited by chrisj on Friday 28th May 12:53
well i can say one thing that some old gits with their zimmers would agree with, at leaste they sorted out the "baboons ass" rear end that all marcos cars have.
i am entitled to my opinion and i dont
care what you lot think.
the build of the car is so unrefined its untrue.
the doors creaked like old rusty iron gates, shut lines dont meet up anywere, lots of details must of been a after thought.
if they sold it for 30K im more than positive they would nick tvr orders. i think 40K for the tso is a bit silly. aim lower sell more.
TVR seem to have clicked onto the fact that they needed a proper drop top and they sorted that one out at the show, but the marcos is sat in its own market, like TVR. Marcos will attract the older generation, maby chim owners, but it cant compeate on styling in any way pos with |TVR. and i think this is a poor attempt from MC taggart, i expected so much more, plus he had a ex noble designer working with him.
he is batman with out robin, and were the hell is he going to go after Marcos, definatly not TVR, possibly invalid carrages! same market than the Marcos!
Must go, must calm down, cant stop laughing at that paint job and those vents!!!
.............................i wonder if Marcos will be at the 2005 show.............dont think so some how. Lets see some "nice" british sports cars,
oh and for the benifit of what that chap thought i drove ,
i have a tuscan s and a 2004 BMW M3 to your amusement!!!
i am entitled to my opinion and i dont
care what you lot think. the build of the car is so unrefined its untrue.
the doors creaked like old rusty iron gates, shut lines dont meet up anywere, lots of details must of been a after thought.
if they sold it for 30K im more than positive they would nick tvr orders. i think 40K for the tso is a bit silly. aim lower sell more.
TVR seem to have clicked onto the fact that they needed a proper drop top and they sorted that one out at the show, but the marcos is sat in its own market, like TVR. Marcos will attract the older generation, maby chim owners, but it cant compeate on styling in any way pos with |TVR. and i think this is a poor attempt from MC taggart, i expected so much more, plus he had a ex noble designer working with him.
he is batman with out robin, and were the hell is he going to go after Marcos, definatly not TVR, possibly invalid carrages! same market than the Marcos!
Must go, must calm down, cant stop laughing at that paint job and those vents!!!
.............................i wonder if Marcos will be at the 2005 show.............dont think so some how. Lets see some "nice" british sports cars,
oh and for the benifit of what that chap thought i drove ,
i have a tuscan s and a 2004 BMW M3 to your amusement!!!
Still does'nt alter the fact that TVR sales have fallen by 50% and profitability is poor to non -existent....
With the knowldege that Peter Wheeler wants to sell TVR out there, I would'nt touch one with a bargepole until I knew if or when a wealthy investor has bought them (like at Marcos).
TVR are poorly made and the trade hates them, ensuring that resale values are like a bad disaster movie.
The Marcos has lots of money behind it,
a proper V8 engine, and handling by prodrive has the chance to be much superior to TVR as well.
I currently own neither ( used to be a Porsche man ) so I have no loyalty to either brand.
But I have to say that I would not dream of buying a new TVR as I might as well make a bonfire out of £50 notes and set fire to it because the depreciation is so crippling.
With a decent engine inside it, i think the Marcos is a better bet.
And I 've visited the Marcos factory too - the build quality is fantastic.
With the knowldege that Peter Wheeler wants to sell TVR out there, I would'nt touch one with a bargepole until I knew if or when a wealthy investor has bought them (like at Marcos).
TVR are poorly made and the trade hates them, ensuring that resale values are like a bad disaster movie.
The Marcos has lots of money behind it,
a proper V8 engine, and handling by prodrive has the chance to be much superior to TVR as well.
I currently own neither ( used to be a Porsche man ) so I have no loyalty to either brand.
But I have to say that I would not dream of buying a new TVR as I might as well make a bonfire out of £50 notes and set fire to it because the depreciation is so crippling.
With a decent engine inside it, i think the Marcos is a better bet.
And I 've visited the Marcos factory too - the build quality is fantastic.
Facinates me how people make purchase decisions of bespoke cars on the "prototype" model.
But then, of course, the people on here that don't like it won't buy it, so they will never ever know what it's like to have a car built to you.
My new Marcos is nothing like the TS500 that was at the Canary motorshow, it is exactly how I wanted, right down to having the seat fitted exactly to myself and my partner to ensure that both of us could drive the car in total comfort.
TVRs are, well, how can you say this, too "production line" and too "mainstream". But then if you don't "get" the TS500, TSO, M14, Farbound, Morgan or Invicta you probably aren't yet ready to be bestowed the honour and trust that purchasing a small run british sportscar gives.
As Lincon said, "you can't please all the people all of the time", and hats off to people such as Marcos that just want to please a certain type of person.
Mr A-Team obviously isn't that person, and one therefore counts ones blessings that one won't have to meet someone that writes like he does at an owners club meet!
J
But then, of course, the people on here that don't like it won't buy it, so they will never ever know what it's like to have a car built to you.
My new Marcos is nothing like the TS500 that was at the Canary motorshow, it is exactly how I wanted, right down to having the seat fitted exactly to myself and my partner to ensure that both of us could drive the car in total comfort.
TVRs are, well, how can you say this, too "production line" and too "mainstream". But then if you don't "get" the TS500, TSO, M14, Farbound, Morgan or Invicta you probably aren't yet ready to be bestowed the honour and trust that purchasing a small run british sportscar gives.
As Lincon said, "you can't please all the people all of the time", and hats off to people such as Marcos that just want to please a certain type of person.
Mr A-Team obviously isn't that person, and one therefore counts ones blessings that one won't have to meet someone that writes like he does at an owners club meet!
J
joust said:
Facinates me how people make purchase decisions of bespoke cars on the "prototype" model.
But then, of course, the people on here that don't like it won't buy it, so they will never ever know what it's like to have a car built to you.
My new Marcos is nothing like the TS500 that was at the Canary motorshow, it is exactly how I wanted, right down to having the seat fitted exactly to myself and my partner to ensure that both of us could drive the car in total comfort.
TVRs are, well, how can you say this, too "production line" and too "mainstream". But then if you don't "get" the TS500, TSO, M14, Farbound, Morgan or Invicta you probably aren't yet ready to be bestowed the honour and trust that purchasing a small run british sportscar gives.
As Lincon said, "you can't please all the people all of the time", and hats off to people such as Marcos that just want to please a certain type of person.
Mr A-Team obviously isn't that person, and one therefore counts ones blessings that one won't have to meet someone that writes like he does at an owners club meet!
J
Tuscan mainstream
Must admit im struggling with that concept Joust
[quote=the a-team]
the build of the car is so unrefined its untrue.
the doors creaked like old rusty iron gates, shut lines dont meet up anywere, lots of details must of been a after thought.
he is batman with out robin, and were the hell is he going to go after Marcos, definatly not TVR, possibly invalid carrages! same market than the Marcos!
/quote]
I saw the car today and it's beautifully made, the shut lines are good and the doors don't creak so I reckon you either went to the wrong show or saw the wrong car It's not as you described, not in the slightest.
Also, are you privvy to future plans that Marcos may have? If not you're just making speculative remarks in a very unpleasant way. It's quite obvious to most on here that Marcos have a future and they will impliment whatever plans they have when the timing is correct.
the build of the car is so unrefined its untrue.
the doors creaked like old rusty iron gates, shut lines dont meet up anywere, lots of details must of been a after thought.
he is batman with out robin, and were the hell is he going to go after Marcos, definatly not TVR, possibly invalid carrages! same market than the Marcos!
/quote]
I saw the car today and it's beautifully made, the shut lines are good and the doors don't creak so I reckon you either went to the wrong show or saw the wrong car
It's not as you described, not in the slightest. Also, are you privvy to future plans that Marcos may have? If not you're just making speculative remarks in a very unpleasant way. It's quite obvious to most on here that Marcos have a future and they will impliment whatever plans they have when the timing is correct.
i have to say that the styling (love it or hate it) is a bit unimaginative. its got the same old marcos rump (although much better proportioned than previous efforts) and the front looks like the Griffith Speed Six concept from motorshow '98(?) and the interior is naff by anyones standards.
on the plus side... yes a V8 for that creamy woofle, and general sahpe isn't bad. good luck to them - another small british manufacturing making a go of things is not A Bad Thing.
) is a bit unimaginative. its got the same old marcos rump (although much better proportioned than previous efforts) and the front looks like the Griffith Speed Six concept from motorshow '98(?) and the interior is naff by anyones standards. on the plus side... yes a V8 for that creamy woofle, and general sahpe isn't bad. good luck to them - another small british manufacturing making a go of things is not A Bad Thing.
Boosted LS1 said:
the build of the car is so unrefined its untrue.
the doors creaked like old rusty iron gates
I saw the car today and it's beautifully made, the shut lines are good and the doors don't creak so I reckon you either went to the wrong show or saw the wrong car
The doors didn't creak on press day either. Maybe it was actually Mr a-team's joints. Now what was that about old gits and zimmers?
I find the biggest and most foolish thing anyone ever comes down to on this forum is that having a certain car "qualifies" you to pass judgement on other or not as the case may be.
As far as I'm concerned, a man with a knackered old Austin Allegro has every right and an equal right to pass judgement on the styling and design of anything from an iron to a Lamborghini. Being able to afford a flash car doesn't "qualify" you to have a better judgement or opinion than anyone else, you bunch of elitist fools.
Oh my god, I just became my father....
As far as I'm concerned, a man with a knackered old Austin Allegro has every right and an equal right to pass judgement on the styling and design of anything from an iron to a Lamborghini. Being able to afford a flash car doesn't "qualify" you to have a better judgement or opinion than anyone else, you bunch of elitist fools.
Oh my god, I just became my father....
joust said:
"yellabelly", funny how you exol the virtues of modern TVR's but only have an 'S' and a Rover 620i. Not sure how the Rover gives you credibility to talk about styling and appeal....
Do we take it from that you don't like the new TVRs, or is it a financial limitation to you moving to a newer TVR?
Is the reason you don't seem to like the Marcos also financial related, in that you don't have the fourty odd thousand required to buy one?
It would help to know to put some perspective on your comments.
Yours intrigued,
J
Why should you be intrigued by my financial position other than to try to demean and embarass me by making insulting remarks about the fact that I am only able to afford a TVR S3 and a Rover 620. I suppose that the tone of your response is to be expected, just because you can seemingly afford all that you have does not mean that my opinion is of any lesser value than yours, but obviously you consider wealth to be the arbiter of taste, it never has been and never will it just means you can waste money on expensive folly's that I am unable to do.
As to whether I have the £40k to waste, that is my business but if it plays up to your ego I have had two redundancies in the past five years, a heart attack and triple by-pass sugery that gives me a different perspective on what I spend my money on but it does not give you the right to make such personal comments just to get some cheap laughs within your little clique.
In my previous posts I expressed my opinion, which was somewhat tongue in cheek was not a personal attack and always finished with a
You seemingly have the need to be vindictive, does it satisfy a need in you in some strange way?
Enjoy what you have, while you can
TED, I note that you have taken a-team to task for his comments but allowed Joust to do so without intervention, do you find this acceptable?
joust said:
Facinates me how people make purchase decisions of bespoke cars on the "prototype" model.
But then, of course, the people on here that don't like it won't buy it, so they will never ever know what it's like to have a car built to you.
J
Ummm, Joust old love, didn't you just put a deposit down on an Noble M14? Thats a proto, isn't it?
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