"There is no heaven; it's a fairy story"
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ChrisGB said:
The God of Christianity can and does interact with reality. Take the Mass, every day in every city, bread and wine become body and blood. That is a direct divine intervention. You cannot "test" it scientifically, so your scenarios above are inadequate.
I could quickly come up with a scientific test to distinguish wine and blood, and maybe a cut-down triage-type version is used in emergency rooms around the country on a Friday night.carmonk said:
I could quickly come up with a scientific test to distinguish wine and blood, and maybe a cut-down triage-type version is used in emergency rooms around the country on a Friday night.
Foiled again... The Encyclopedia Brittanica states that the RC church has already thought of that simple issue. "In Roman Catholicism and some other Christian churches the doctrine, which was first called transubstantiation in the 12th century, aims at safeguarding the literal truth of Christ’s Presence while emphasizing the fact that there is no change in the empirical appearances of the bread and wine."
TheHeretic said:
carmonk said:
I could quickly come up with a scientific test to distinguish wine and blood, and maybe a cut-down triage-type version is used in emergency rooms around the country on a Friday night.
Foiled again... The Encyclopedia Brittanica states that the RC church has already thought of that simple issue. "In Roman Catholicism and some other Christian churches the doctrine, which was first called transubstantiation in the 12th century, aims at safeguarding the literal truth of Christ’s Presence while emphasizing the fact that there is no change in the empirical appearances of the bread and wine."
NobleGuy said:
CBR JGWRR said:
The text is suggestive enough. Certainly, a picture would add nothing except eye candy.
(If you interpret it in one particular way, it mentions smashed back doors, smashed front doors, oral sex for both partners, and the act of doing things with one's hand and her lady garden.)
Hmmm, maybe this believer lark isn't so dry after all, although eye candy could maybe seal it for me (If you interpret it in one particular way, it mentions smashed back doors, smashed front doors, oral sex for both partners, and the act of doing things with one's hand and her lady garden.)
The only difference is your limited to one woman, and you learn to find more pleasure in her having fun... (Which isn't a bad thing.)
For me, it is totally obvious women are meant to enjoy it more than men. You try having three orgasms in one session, whereas for her, it's just a matter of time and investment.
Note:You do have to use your imagination to figure out where the smashed back doors reference is... It isn't immediately obvious.
carmonk said:
TheHeretic said:
carmonk said:
I could quickly come up with a scientific test to distinguish wine and blood, and maybe a cut-down triage-type version is used in emergency rooms around the country on a Friday night.
Foiled again... The Encyclopedia Brittanica states that the RC church has already thought of that simple issue. "In Roman Catholicism and some other Christian churches the doctrine, which was first called transubstantiation in the 12th century, aims at safeguarding the literal truth of Christ’s Presence while emphasizing the fact that there is no change in the empirical appearances of the bread and wine."
CBR JGWRR said:
carmonk said:
TheHeretic said:
carmonk said:
I could quickly come up with a scientific test to distinguish wine and blood, and maybe a cut-down triage-type version is used in emergency rooms around the country on a Friday night.
Foiled again... The Encyclopedia Brittanica states that the RC church has already thought of that simple issue. "In Roman Catholicism and some other Christian churches the doctrine, which was first called transubstantiation in the 12th century, aims at safeguarding the literal truth of Christ’s Presence while emphasizing the fact that there is no change in the empirical appearances of the bread and wine."
CBR JGWRR said:
Just buscuits. They were digestives to be precise...
You say they were digestives, but in actual fact they were parts of an old Morris minor. The headlights to be precise. however, they are cunningly disguised as digestives.Despite this being an utterly ridiculous thing to say, and people would be right to suggest I was barmy to say it, when you put it in a religious context, it is perfectly fine, and not barmy at all
NobleGuy said:
...it's not my view per se and I'm really just playing Devil's Advocate here, but does anyone think that the advances in science/healthcare is in danger of diluting the human gene pool...?
There is a debate to be had on that subject. Edited by NobleGuy on Thursday 3rd May 08:28
I don't think it needs a religious input though.
The stating of opinion and presenting of evidence could be very tricky however for esteemed professionals that didn't want to be branded under the eugenics banner.
KB_S1 said:
NobleGuy said:
...it's not my view per se and I'm really just playing Devil's Advocate here, but does anyone think that the advances in science/healthcare is in danger of diluting the human gene pool...?
There is a debate to be had on that subject. Edited by NobleGuy on Thursday 3rd May 08:28
I don't think it needs a religious input though.
The stating of opinion and presenting of evidence could be very tricky however for esteemed professionals that didn't want to be branded under the eugenics banner.
TheHeretic said:
carmonk said:
I could quickly come up with a scientific test to distinguish wine and blood, and maybe a cut-down triage-type version is used in emergency rooms around the country on a Friday night.
Foiled again... The Encyclopedia Brittanica states that the RC church has already thought of that simple issue. "In Roman Catholicism and some other Christian churches the doctrine, which was first called transubstantiation in the 12th century, aims at safeguarding the literal truth of Christ’s Presence while emphasizing the fact that there is no change in the empirical appearances of the bread and wine."
TheHeretic said:
KB_S1 said:
NobleGuy said:
...it's not my view per se and I'm really just playing Devil's Advocate here, but does anyone think that the advances in science/healthcare is in danger of diluting the human gene pool...?
There is a debate to be had on that subject. Edited by NobleGuy on Thursday 3rd May 08:28
I don't think it needs a religious input though.
The stating of opinion and presenting of evidence could be very tricky however for esteemed professionals that didn't want to be branded under the eugenics banner.
Almost all of the challenges facing humanity, and the other poor lifeforms who have to share this planet with us, are related to overpopulation. Everything bad that will happen to this planet is due to the fact we are breeding too successfully and having too many children (However long we may live through improved medicine and healthcare in the future, if couples only ever had two children, the population would actually go down). Famine, resource wars, disease pandemics, pollution, deforestation, massive extinction rates in all plants and animals. All because of overbreeding.
And you, ChrisGB, think contraception is evil? Can you imagine the population of China if they were all Catholics? Is that God's plan? I totally accept the Catholic Church's position on abortion, it's a legitimate viewpoint that once an ovum is fertilised that the life should be cherished. Please explain how catching some semen in a rubber sock rather than impregnating your wife every time you want to make love is evil. Please explain that, faced with the bigger picture of the evils that will come about by further population growth.
That's not to even mention the spread of HIV in countries where contraception isn't widely available. Is 5% of Sub-Saharan Africans living with HIV (many from birth) a good thing?
And you, ChrisGB, think contraception is evil? Can you imagine the population of China if they were all Catholics? Is that God's plan? I totally accept the Catholic Church's position on abortion, it's a legitimate viewpoint that once an ovum is fertilised that the life should be cherished. Please explain how catching some semen in a rubber sock rather than impregnating your wife every time you want to make love is evil. Please explain that, faced with the bigger picture of the evils that will come about by further population growth.
That's not to even mention the spread of HIV in countries where contraception isn't widely available. Is 5% of Sub-Saharan Africans living with HIV (many from birth) a good thing?
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