Abbey Road webcam - madness

Abbey Road webcam - madness

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Bonefish Blues

26,833 posts

224 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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heebeegeetee said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Car at fault. She looked like she instinctively changed her direction when she saw the car was coming and was then carried some distance by the impact.
Look at the picture in Simoids post. She is on the crossing, she has precedence, the car must stop, end of.
We are agreeing, aren't we? At the point of impact she was actually off the crossing, but the point I was making was that she only changed her path when she saw the car was going to hit her.

Bonefish Blues

26,833 posts

224 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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heebeegeetee said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Car at fault. She looked like she instinctively changed her direction when she saw the car was coming and was then carried some distance by the impact.
Look at the picture in Simoids post. She is on the crossing, she has precedence, the car must stop, end of.
We are agreeing, aren't we? At the point of impact she was actually off the crossing, but the point I was making was that she only changed her path when she saw the car was going to hit her.

Neil H

15,323 posts

252 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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Still photos only tell half the story as they don't account for the speed she was running - it was a full on sprint which means there was less time for the Golf to see her.

That being said, the Golf driver is at least partly to blame, because you really should be aware of things like this at zebra crossings, and should be super vigilant.

But the girl is still an idiot.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

168 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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kapiteinlangzaam said:
The event we all knew was going to happen!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=66c_1415416406
Unlucky, I'll bet she's much more careful next time, totally her own fault.

hairyben

8,516 posts

184 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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youngsyr said:
Regardless of what the law says, the pedestrian acted in a monumentally stupid way and therefore must take some of the responsibility.

Running out in front of a car without either checking first or simply expecting it to stop is a ridiculous thing to do - especially in London and even more so on that crossing.

Legally I wouldn't be surprised if the driver had the book thrown at him - he could see that the pedestrian was approaching the crossing and should have stopped rather than try to get across before she started crossing.
Given the stupid A-pillars on cars today the driver might not have seen her until too late.

While ped may of had right of way that doesn't excuse them due diligence, although the car driver will be wholly responsible for PC.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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heebeegeetee said:
None of the above is law, it is advice. Pedestrians are not required to sign up to any agreement that they will follow any advice.

That simply means that the pedestrians behaviour wasn't illegal, it doesn't mean it wasn't reckless and contribute to the accident. By your logic everything in the highway code saying 'should' or 'should not' is utterly meaningless.

The argument that the pedestrian should not have behaved the way she did but the accident was 100% the car drivers fault makes no sense at all.

Jezzerh

816 posts

123 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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As a car driver you have to take into account the fact that peds can act like mongs sometimes and adjust your driving accordingly.

There's no excuse for driving so fast towards a zebra crossing.

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

164 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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softtop said:
I presume that is a cameraman looking to make some money out of tourists. Is this an everyday event?
A 24\7 webcam for people to enjoy watching tourists using the "Beatles crossing".

The tards stopping traffic for posing pics are just that.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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Jezzerh said:
As a car driver you have to take into account the fact that peds can act like mongs sometimes and adjust your driving accordingly.

There's no excuse for driving so fast towards a zebra crossing.
How was the drivers speed relevant though? It isn't that the driver couldn't stop in time because they were going too fast, it was that they made no attempt to stop because they didn't see the pedestrian. Going slower could just have meant the pedestrian went under the wheels instead of bouncing off the side of the car.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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I blame Paul McCartney...

KrazyIvan

4,341 posts

176 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
I blame Paul McCartney...
hehe

Though I see why most think the driver could / should of stopped. It amazes me that the ped seem to want to out run the car, she too could simply have stopped.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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KrazyIvan said:
mybrainhurts said:
I blame Paul McCartney...
hehe

Though I see why most think the driver could / should of stopped. It amazes me that the ped seem to want to out run the car, she too could simply have stopped.
Woman. Irrational. The end.

North West Tom

11,529 posts

178 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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I'm assuming the muppet in the pink shirt doesn't have a mobile phone, and is the only reason he's 'blindly' shouting, arms flailing, to call an ambulance. "Is someone calling an ambulance? SOMEBODY CALL AN AMBULANCE! WHO'S CALLING!?" He sounds American but he'd be pretty stupid to come over here, visiting or staying, and not know our emergency number.

226bhp

10,203 posts

129 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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Interesting what the reaction of the family who crossed before her does, the parents (presumably) shield the kids eyes and usher them off before returning. I don't have kids so not sure what i'd do, but it was possibly a good (maybe a bit gruesome) lesson for them too....
Hope the girl recovers, i'd say it was 50/50 on blame, she shouldn't have run, he never made any attempt to brake or swerve though either.

simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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Driller said:
In your opinion.

She wasn't "waiting to cross", she ran across into the side of the car once he had passed the crossing. Look at the screenshots above.
My screenshot clearly shows a pedestrian on the crossing, and a car driver approaching the crossing. Driver MUST stop. If he doesn't stop - law is broken.

Finlandia

7,803 posts

232 months

Sunday 9th November 2014
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simoid said:
Driller said:
In your opinion.

She wasn't "waiting to cross", she ran across into the side of the car once he had passed the crossing. Look at the screenshots above.
My screenshot clearly shows a pedestrian on the crossing, and a car driver approaching the crossing. Driver MUST stop. If he doesn't stop - law is broken.
What your screenshot doesn't show is the pace the pedestrian was going at, as a driver you expect people to walk or hurry over a zebra crossing, you don't expect Usain Bolt to sprint over it and into the side of your car.

hairyben

8,516 posts

184 months

Monday 10th November 2014
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simoid said:
Driller said:
In your opinion.

She wasn't "waiting to cross", she ran across into the side of the car once he had passed the crossing. Look at the screenshots above.
My screenshot clearly shows a pedestrian on the crossing, and a car driver approaching the crossing. Driver MUST stop. If he doesn't stop - law is broken.
If a car pulls out of a side road in a cluttered 20mph zone to be hit by a motorbike travelling at a 3 figure speed, is that the car drivers fault? Motorbike has clear right of way and cars job to observe road is clear before proceeding?

Blaster72

10,882 posts

198 months

Monday 10th November 2014
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simoid said:
My screenshot clearly shows a pedestrian on the crossing, and a car driver approaching the crossing. Driver MUST stop. If he doesn't stop - law is broken.
Your screenshot doesn't prove anything. The video clearly shows the girl sprinting across the road straight into the car. Why the driver didn't slam on the brakes straight away god only knows.

Just goes to show, you can be in the right legally and still end up lying in the road in pain.

She should have paused, checked both ways then walked across the crossing when she was sure it was safe. The driver should have been more careful approaching the crossing and should definitely hit the brakes hard in situations like that, not accelerate away in a straight line.

Mr Trophy

6,808 posts

204 months

Monday 10th November 2014
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Is anyone watching right now?

yikes

illmonkey

18,215 posts

199 months

Monday 10th November 2014
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Idiots.

Yes, that is someone standing in the road, he has been for at least a few minutes. Then a massive group do the stupid stride over the crossing.