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x 7usc

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mybrainhurts

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ninja-lewis said:
mybrainhurts said:
What is a "publicly available fuel source"?

Thought aviation fuel was free from taxation?

And, if VAT is charged, why can't they reclaim it, like any other business?
Think they mean when they refuel at another airport rather than at their own base through a private contract with their fuel supplier.

It seems the main reason why they can't reclaim the VAT is because the provision of an ambulance comes under medical supplies, which are exempt from VAT and therefore input VAT cannot be reclaimed. This being a key difference between those goods and services categorised as 'VAT Exempt' and those that are 'Zero-rated'. The latter are subject to VAT, it just happens that the rate is 0%.

Ultimately like any VAT issue, it all goes back to the EU.
Thanks. Isn't aviation fuel exempt or zero rated?


Edited by mybrainhurts on Monday 26th March 23:19

Otter Smacker

5,636 posts

79 months

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Done!

na

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119 months

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thank you ninja-lewis thumbup

mybrainhurts – I’ve not got official reply to your questions at moment

as for me leaving it for you to work out about fuel sources I put that humorous remark based on your user name and Profile details and given that the tone of the questions

be patient I’ll try to get you a reply

mybrainhurts

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Tuesday 27th March 2012 quote quote all
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na

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mybrainhurts said:
smilewavey
keep patient smile

I'm sure I'm not the only thing Peter has to deal with and he probably has no idea just how important I am as I keep modest

mybrainhurts

77,475 posts

140 months

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Tuesday 27th March 2012 quote quote all
Buttocks clinched...hehe

na

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mybrainhurts said:
Buttocks clinched...hehe
yours I hope

mybrainhurts

77,475 posts

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Yes, being patient...smile

wedgeinald

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Saturday 31st March 2012 quote quote all
Signed it today and well over the 100,000 needed but we should keep signing it to show the level of support.

VAT is a complex issue (sometimes) and where a "business" is charging VAT to its customers it can "ofset" this VAT against the VAT they are charged when they buy things, by the sounds of it the AA service has no VAT to do the ofsetting with and hence the issue.

I'm a keen supporter of my Local Air Ambulance and would love them to be able to make better use of my money rather than giving a % of it to the HMRC.

Watchman

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130 months

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Saturday 31st March 2012 quote quote all
Signed. A crazy situation needs resolving. None of the emergency services should be paying VAT no matter their "status" as a charity or not.

na

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na said:
mybrainhurts said:
smilewavey
keep patient smile

I'm sure I'm not the only thing Peter has to deal with and he probably has no idea just how important I am as I keep modest
I'll chase this up Tuesday

thanks to all signees thumbup

bigrich4

615 posts

42 months

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Saturday 31st March 2012 quote quote all
Done! biggrin

philthy

4,561 posts

125 months

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Saturday 31st March 2012 quote quote all
I live in Devon, where this service saves lives without a doubt.
Signed.

na

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Thursday 5th April 2012 quote quote all
na said:
mybrainhurts said:
smilewavey
keep patient smile

I'm sure I'm not the only thing Peter has to deal with and he probably has no idea just how important I am as I keep modest
Nigel, thank you for the reminder and I apologise for the delay in replying. I have looked into this matter since we last corresponded and it frankly is not a simple issue. As to whether or not an Air Ambulance pays VAT will very much depend on the type of income that the charity receives and how the charity is set up in the first place. From what I can identify it appears that there is quite a wide variation and hence the differing concerns over this particular aspect of VAT. If a charity actually owns its helicopter it will probably be paying VAT on the fuel it uses. On the other hand, where a helicopter is leased from a supplying company then fuel purchased through that linkage may not be chargeable. The level of VAT paid on fuel is also different. At Lincs & Notts Air Ambulance I have one of my Finance Managers who is quite an expert on VAT matters and he would be a good person to talk to on this matter. His name is Crauford Thomson and he can be contacted on ----- ------, normally from Monday through Wednesday. It’s a very busy time at the moment, however, with the end of the financial year and he will be rather busy next week, but I am sure he can give you a better view on this matter than I can. I do hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Peter Aldrick
Chief Executive Lincs & Notts Air Ambulance
(also admin support for the Association of Air Ambulances)

onyx39

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signed (and shared on Facebook)

Spread the word people.....

axgizmo

671 posts

38 months

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Mum and Dad do some fundraising for these guys so it's always been in my head what an excellent job they do.

Signed

mybrainhurts

77,475 posts

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na said:
na said:
mybrainhurts said:
smile wavey
keep patient smile

I'm sure I'm not the only thing Peter has to deal with and he probably has no idea just how important I am as I keep modest
Nigel, thank you for the reminder and I apologise for the delay in replying. I have looked into this matter since we last corresponded and it frankly is not a simple issue. As to whether or not an Air Ambulance pays VAT will very much depend on the type of income that the charity receives and how the charity is set up in the first place. From what I can identify it appears that there is quite a wide variation and hence the differing concerns over this particular aspect of VAT. If a charity actually owns its helicopter it will probably be paying VAT on the fuel it uses. On the other hand, where a helicopter is leased from a supplying company then fuel purchased through that linkage may not be chargeable. The level of VAT paid on fuel is also different. At Lincs & Notts Air Ambulance I have one of my Finance Managers who is quite an expert on VAT matters and he would be a good person to talk to on this matter. His name is Crauford Thomson and he can be contacted on ----- ------, normally from Monday through Wednesday. It’s a very busy time at the moment, however, with the end of the financial year and he will be rather busy next week, but I am sure he can give you a better view on this matter than I can. I do hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Peter Aldrick
Chief Executive Lincs & Notts Air Ambulance
(also admin support for the Association of Air Ambulances)
Sorry for going off topic, but, oh, strewth, a man in his position adopting screwed up English, from those incoherent colonials across the pond because he thinks it's trendy, is beyond out of order....

Carry on...

onyx39

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mybrainhurts said:
Sorry for going off topic, but, oh, strewth, a man in his position adopting screwed up English, from those incoherent colonials across the pond because he thinks it's trendy, is beyond out of order....

Carry on...
I agree, I hate " americanised" English, but is he definitely from these shores? Could be a yank working in the UK?

na

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probably just rushing, as it came thro' as a block as presented as above it may well have been done on one of these' phone type things as it were
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