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blindswelledrat

18,974 posts

101 months

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Has she got a criminal record SCS?

Presumably that will have an effect.
I think if she doesn't, then she'll get very little more than a slap on the wrist.
Logically that's all she deserves and we spend our lives bemoaning lenient sentences so I just can't see any serious result of this.
I have a bit more sympathy for her than other here.

Corsair7

7,376 posts

116 months

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Eric Mc said:
Sorry, absolutely no sympathy.

She broke the law.

She got caught.

She has to pay the price.
Your attitude surprises me little Eric, but still makes me feel rather sad. I'm pretty sure there are many laws that you've enfringed/broken over the years, many rules and regulations you've flouted, many situations you've taken advantage of, many moraly suspect decisions taken.

And yet because she's been caught continuing to claim money that she no doubt needs, to help keep what remains of her family life afloat, you feel no sympathy....?

And the question was, what punishment does she face.... not how do you feel about it.

Eric Mc

67,261 posts

134 months

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ShawCrossShark said:
Eric Mc said:
It's unfortunate for her children but perhaps social services can do something about the youngest. The 18 year old is already on the slippy slope to being a dependent on society rather than a contributer to society.

If you want to help out, I would concentrate on the 18 year old to see if there is anything you can do for him.
Like getting him a part time job you mean wink See above already done it

As for the youngest, social services would be involved over my dead body!
He may be a lost cause too.

You say she is a good mother but so far her track record is not doing much to support this assertion. She is on the verge of receiving a criminal conviction and she has an older son who seems to be heading for problems.
The one lesson he seems to have learned in life is that being self sufficient is not worth the effort.

I don't know your connection with this family and why you feel you need to be involved with their problems.

BenM77

2,115 posts

33 months

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Some harsh replies which are probably expected but noone on here no the circumstances which led her to be a single working mum so calling her a slag is a bit much. I wouldn't put her in the same category as the known drug dealer dropping his kid off at my lads school, or people working the disability benefits etc.

Hopefully she just has to pay back the overpayment, her lazy son is a whole other problem.

Corsair7

7,376 posts

116 months

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Oakey said:
So, when the second kid was 3yrs old she left the childs father for someone else, and that person then screwed her over? Ain't karma a bh!
Not nearly enough back ground information given in the story to make a judgement though, is there? Was previous relationship bad? Was she being abused? Doesn't matter, she must be a slag.... right? Maybe.
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ShawCrossShark

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2,015 posts

103 months

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No criminal record. Car he purchased was sold on after they split up.

18yo left college in June/July last year. She admits it was a conscoius decision as she didn't know what else to do. Genuine remorse but felt she had no other option. Not sure how much it involves as a monetary value

Eric Mc

67,261 posts

134 months

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Corsair7 said:
Eric Mc said:
Sorry, absolutely no sympathy.

She broke the law.

She got caught.

She has to pay the price.
Your attitude surprises me little Eric, but still makes me feel rather sad. I'm pretty sure there are many laws that you've enfringed/broken over the years, many rules and regulations you've flouted, many situations you've taken advantage of, many moraly suspect decisions taken.

And yet because she's been caught continuing to claim money that she no doubt needs, to help keep what remains of her family life afloat, you feel no sympathy....?

And the question was, what punishment does she face.... not how do you feel about it.
I would like to think I HAVEN'T committed any criminal acts. I certainly haven't tried to defraud the state.
I do have sympathy for people who have misclaimed benefits or tax credits unwittingly. The system is complex and people do make mistakes.
However, I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who claim benefits and tax credits KNOWING that they should not. The law can have its way in those caees.

ShawCrossShark

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2,015 posts

103 months

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Corsair7 said:
Oakey said:
So, when the second kid was 3yrs old she left the childs father for someone else, and that person then screwed her over? Ain't karma a bh!
Not nearly enough back ground information given in the story to make a judgement though, is there? Was previous relationship bad? Was she being abused? Doesn't matter, she must be a slag.... right? Maybe.
I can 100% guarantee that there was no abuse. She suffered PND, they drifted apart and she got sucker punched by attention from someone else.

My concern is for child 2 because she is my daughter.

andycambo

689 posts

43 months

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ShawCrossShark said:
No criminal record. Car he purchased was sold on after they split up.
Doesn't sound like a lot from the story but how much is the overpayment? Less than £2k she may get a caution and have to pay back costs plus a bit more.

Pothole

18,100 posts

151 months

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ShawCrossShark said:
Pothole said:
I'm confused at your description of her as 'a good mother'. Her behviour around relationships, parenting decisions and getting herself qualified for better paying work would appear to give lie to that statement.
Question some of her decisions too, don't get me wrong, it was more to point out that she isn't out every weekend/going on holidays/buying herself stuff

I know her kids come first. Uneducated and disillusioned though she is at times her intentions are the right ones.
fair enough.

Eric Mc

67,261 posts

134 months

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ShawCrossShark said:
I can 100% guarantee that there was no abuse. She suffered PND, they drifted apart and she got sucker punched by attention from someone else.

My concern is for child 2 because she is my daughter.
Why can't you try to obtain custody of your daughter then?
Would you want to?

The Beaver King

3,552 posts

64 months

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I can see why a lot of people on here are unsympathetic, especially when it comes to benefit fraud.

Personally I feel sorry for her. Having grown up with my mother who was in a very similar situation to the one the OP has described, except my mother had 3 kids and didn't claim benefits.

Going from being in a marriage that was fairly comfortable wealth wise, to a divorce caused by my fathers adultery, followed by 5 years of court cases and tearing chunks out of each other, it is a very difficult situation and leaves both parties financially wrecked.

While I don't agree with what she did, I do hope she gets off lightly. There is a big difference between screwing the system over because you can and screwing it over because you desperately need to.

Agree with the rest of the comments though, get the little fker to work and pay his way or boot him out. OP, make sure she pushes the lad, she'll be surprised at the difference him paying his own way will affect her own finances.


ShawCrossShark

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2,015 posts

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Eric Mc said:
Why can't you try to obtain custody of your daughter then?
Would you want to?
Never considered it as she is content living with her mother and brother.

I have regular access and see her regularly. Should the worst happen she is more than welcome to come and live with me (hence no social services comment)

Fatboy

7,284 posts

141 months

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ShawCrossShark said:
Corsair7 said:
Oakey said:
So, when the second kid was 3yrs old she left the childs father for someone else, and that person then screwed her over? Ain't karma a bh!
Not nearly enough back ground information given in the story to make a judgement though, is there? Was previous relationship bad? Was she being abused? Doesn't matter, she must be a slag.... right? Maybe.
I can 100% guarantee that there was no abuse. She suffered PND, they drifted apart and she got sucker punched by attention from someone else.

My concern is for child 2 because she is my daughter.
From your first post it's the father of Child No2 that turned her over - now I'm sure I've misunderstood fom what else you've said here, but it it the father of the 18 year old who ran up the debts, and you're the father of the 9 year old, or is there another child involved? confused

The Beaver King

3,552 posts

64 months

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ShawCrossShark said:
I can 100% guarantee that there was no abuse. She suffered PND, they drifted apart and she got sucker punched by attention from someone else.

My concern is for child 2 because she is my daughter.
Haha excellent use of spacing to create dramatic tension, almost had me thinking of the Darth Vader "Luke....I am your father" scene biggrin

The Beaver King

3,552 posts

64 months

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Fatboy said:
From your first post it's the father of Child No2 that turned her over - now I'm sure I've misunderstood fom what else you've said here, but it it the father of the 18 year old who ran up the debts, and you're the father of the 9 year old, or is there another child involved? confused
I thought that, but if you read it again it says she left the father of child number 2 (OP) for someone else, who then ran up loads of debt and legged it.

Eric Mc

67,261 posts

134 months

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ShawCrossShark said:
Eric Mc said:
Why can't you try to obtain custody of your daughter then?
Would you want to?
Never considered it as she is content living with her mother and brother.

I have regular access and see her regularly. Should the worst happen she is more than welcome to come and live with me (hence no social services comment)
Well, it does seem that financially the mother isn't coping and she needs extra income - to the extent that she was preapred to break the law to get extra income from the state.

What about increasing your contributions?

ShawCrossShark

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2,015 posts

103 months

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Fatboy said:
From your first post it's the father of Child No2 that turned her over - now I'm sure I've misunderstood fom what else you've said here, but it it the father of the 18 year old who ran up the debts, and you're the father of the 9 year old, or is there another child involved? confused
Neither. It was the bloke she left the father of child no.2 for (that being me;) Thanks for that)

She split up with husband (his fault I assure you), we met 18 months later when the 18yo was 6. We were together 6 years, bought house, I worked 2 jobs to make sure bills were paid (she worked part time as well) but she felt that I didn't help out or give enough attention at home and got her head turned. I was removed from the life of the now 18yo in favour of his dad and the other bloke.

The third bloke then stitched her up like a kipper. She has not been on so much as a date in the 3 years since he left as he has left he very psychologically damaged

Hope this clears me of any wrongdoing wink

ShawCrossShark

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2,015 posts

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Eric Mc said:
Well, it does seem that financially the mother isn't coping and she needs extra income - to the extent that she was preapred to break the law to get extra income from the state.

What about increasing your contributions?
Wish i could Eric but I am struggling to hold onto my house at the moment due to impending divorce from the second cheat wink

Eric Mc

67,261 posts

134 months

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Blimey, you don't half lead a complicated life.

I think you need a few lessons in "how to pick a good woman".
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