So u think Germans here today should be hated for what their grandfathers did?

Crusades anyone?

Yes, fundamentalist islam has really forgiven us for the crusades!

You were on the crusades were you? How was it?

Guten Morgen, Arschlochgesicht

Interesting fact in the Max Hastings book. (Re the French). A lot of the French soldiers fought to the last man. Alot eventually gave up though as the thought 'what are we fighting for' - France had FORTY governments between 1920 and 1940. fk!

As the Russians said 'where was the German resistance movement'?

Taking aside the DM's take on it.

"I'm no European," Moore, 89, said. "Why? Go to Europe and look around. The Germans tried to conquer us. The French betrayed us. The Belgians did very little and the Italians made us our ice cream."

Moore lied about his age in order to join the Royal Air Force and fight in World War Two, joining up at 16. He served as a navigator in RAF Bomber Command, and has said the war had a significant influence on his life and views. The only romantic interest in Moore's life, a nurse named Flora, was killed during an air raid when a bomb struck her ambulance - an event which seems to have permanently affected his view of Germany.

"We must take care," he continues in the interview. "There may be another war. The Germans will try again, given another chance. A Kraut is a Kraut is a Kraut. And the only good Kraut is a dead Kraut. There can be good, free, honourable, decent Germans. I haven't met them myself, but I'm sure they exist."

In the 1970s Moore was Chairman of the anti-immigration United Country Party. The party stood two candidates in 1979, polled 1,033 votes and lost their deposits. The UCP was absorbed by the right-wing New Britain Party in 1980.

In a previous interview, Moore provocatively asserted that the BBC was being "ruined by women", commenting that: "The trouble is that the BBC now is run by women and it shows: soap operas, cooking, quizzes, kitchen-sink plays. You wouldn't have had that in the golden days." ·

So in summary:

He doesn't like us being run by Europe and still regards us as an individual nation which he has pride in.

Doesn't agree with mass immigration.

He doesn't trust Germany as he has seen two world wars and suspects that another could still arise from there.

He has a disdain for 'Krauts' which in his time was a derogatory term for German soldiers which he fought against and holds responsible for the death of his only love.

He accepts that not all Germans are 'Krauts' but quips that he hasn't met them yet.

Still holds a thought for the French leaving us exposed to a war that cost us a fortune to fight.

Thinks the Belgians are a load of busy bodies that have plenty of opinions on what everyone else should do but are never there when the chips are down.

Likes Italian ice cream but is possibly a little concerned with who they would side with next.

Has been there, seen it and done it as far as fighting for the country goes.

And thinks the country would be a better place if we didn't have the likes of Diane Abbot on QT and she just stayed in the kitchen.


I'm struggling to argue with the majority of that and would hold his opinion higher than many of our current day politicians.

There's a difference between Irish republicans and Ireland. Patrick Moore can;t tell the difference between a Nazi regime and Germany.

The French are pretty scathing themselves about "Resistants de la derniere heure".

However, to expect 10% of a population (men women and children) to join a resistance movement is laughably unrealistic. Only 10% of the UK population was in uniform by the war's end and they were encouraged and/or obliged to join up.

Contrast the performance of the French resistance with that of the Channel Islands resistance movement.

Your assessment of which French soldiers fought and which didn't, and where the fighting took place is also wrong. As in any army, it was the best quality units that fought the best. The British army had plenty of units that performed miserably, whether in France in 1940, in Greece, Crete, Singapore, Burma etc,etc. Fighting spirit is nothing to do with nationality, it is mostly to do with leadership.

I think all the while there are souls alive that witnessed the devestation caused by WW2 then there will always be hatred for the Germans and rightly so.

I don't just mean witnessing it first hand but also the witnesses to the "lost generation" that had their memories permanently locked away due to the awful things they saw, the children who couldn't talk frankly to their parents as the memories for them were too strong to discuss, these people may not have been alive during the war but they certainly saw first hand the damage it had done. I'm rewatching Band of Brothers now and it still moves me that all this time later many of the men can't talk about it without visibly shaking and in some cases, crying.

It's all too easy to decree that we should forgive and forget after all the shooting is done but I believe in learning from one's mistakes and you don't forget them.

So I don't hate Germany myself, I didn't witness directly any of the effects but it does still exist and for good reason, yes I feel the current young Germans should feel a certain amount of shame about what went on before, if only to help avoid something similar happening again. They certainly should feel any personal guilt as they weren't there but they should feel something. I'm just not totally sure what.

I also believe that we should feel something, the Germans weren't alone in their "suspicion" of the Jews, Jewish people were not solely Germany's pet enemy.....

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