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66comanche
2,369 posts
28 months
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CDP
4,556 posts
123 months
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I thought we were supposed to be unique in Europe (including Germany) in disliking the French over the Germans? 
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Marf
22,907 posts
110 months
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Possibly amongst the older generations and the hard of thinking, but personally? Not a chance.
Some of the most enjoyable people I've worked with in my jobs over the past 10 years have been Germans.
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Rude-boy
15,512 posts
102 months
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Justayellowbadge said: cloggy said: Try Holland.  People who were there can be surprisingly tetchy about petty genocide and casual atrocities. Where you have to be very careful is when you look into it all further and divide the Germans from the Nazis. All of a sudden you will find it quite hard to find any one European race that didn't have a finger in the 'wrong' pie. At the time there was a very strong anti Semitic feeling in most of Europe and also a very pro Nazi movement. In this country it was largely suppressed but on the main land there were people who welcomed the arrival of the Nazis and offered their services to them at the earliest possible opportunity. Not just because that was one way to hide, but because many people actually supported them. To continue to hold an anti German stance today with all the information we have to hand as to what actually happened and who were actually involved shows an ignorance of the facts and a lack of desire to understand and acknowledge the truth about the rise of the Nazi Party and WW2 in general.
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DrTre
12,428 posts
101 months
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Thinking about it, old people can be eye poppingly racist...I suppose at some level you think the ignorance/prejudice would disappear through life/education/experience and yet it doesn't.
Some media outlets don't perpetuate these outdated ideas too, from economics through to sport.
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Buggles
1,288 posts
57 months
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rhinochopig said: I remember seeing that in the paper, disgusting behaviour. Really nice pub that as well, very likeable bar staff, and a wonderful pint.
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Justayellowbadge
29,431 posts
111 months
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Rude-boy said: In this country it was largely suppressed but on the main land. How dare you. Europe is an island off the coast of mainland Britain.
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hora
16,571 posts
80 months
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"Patrick Moore attacks nation 70 years after Nazi bomb killed his fiancée"
...and you wonder why hes still angry folks??
A nation that was mainly responsible for millions of deaths in TWO world wars within the last century.
This isn't kiss, cuddle and make up. Lets forget. The war wasn't fought (by both sides) nicely in anyway at all.
I think if Germany ever tried it again they'd be wiped off the face of the earth.
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Hoofy
47,869 posts
151 months
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Sorry to keep the trousers thing alive but is that a really, really long trousers zip?  Or perhaps he's wearing hipsters and a zip-up cummerbund?
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Butter Face
5,702 posts
29 months
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hora said: I think if Germany ever tried it again they'd be wiped off the face of the earth. Or we would?
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heebeegeetee
19,528 posts
117 months
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vixen1700 said: Just thought I'd ask after hearing about Sir Patrick Moore's moronic comments like 'The only good Kraut is a dead Kraut' What a tosser. I think you should have more respect for someone who was around at that time, and who lied about his age to get into the RAF.
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shirt
14,288 posts
70 months
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can't believe we're discussing an item from the daily troll.
a journo discovers that plain speaking and notable eccentric patrick moore's fiancee was killed in the war. interviews him with leading questions, publishing the least PC parts. quelle surprise.
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Twincam16
27,214 posts
127 months
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DrTre said: Thinking about it, old people can be eye poppingly racist...I suppose at some level you think the ignorance/prejudice would disappear through life/education/experience and yet it doesn't.
Some media outlets don't perpetuate these outdated ideas too, from economics through to sport. Interesting point to raise, it's just got me thinking - I know it's a stereotype, but why are old people considered racist? Is it merely a particular generation of old people who only really travelled abroad to fight who regard all foreigners with suspicion, following on from previous generations who didn't travel at all? I just find it hard to believe that anyone who has grown up either with access to foreign travel or who are in contact with people who have travelled the world, who have access to news from all over the world, can develop that kind of racism-through-sheer-ignorance we often associate with old people today. Thing is, I can almost see why someone who has seen their high street go from predominately white to predominately Pakistani/Caribbean/Chinese can develop views which border on racism, as they might be resistant to change, but I just can't see my generation growing up harbouring these kinds of mass-prejudice that previous generations seem to have through sheer ignorance. I can't stand the Chinese government, for example, nor do I like what I've seen of Chinese big-business practices, but that doesn't mean I tar all Chinese people with the same brush, but I guess that's because through mass media and immigration I can clearly distinguish the people from the institution.
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CDP
4,556 posts
123 months
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vixen1700 said: RizzoTheRat said: what's going on with his trousers? They're eating him alive. That's one hell of an appetite.
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Justayellowbadge
29,431 posts
111 months
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CDP said: vixen1700 said: RizzoTheRat said: what's going on with his trousers? They're eating him alive. That's one hell of an appetite. Please, Sir, can I have some Moore?
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Puggit
29,481 posts
117 months
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Wiki said: Moore lied about his age in order to join the RAF and fight in World War II at the age of sixteen,[8]and from 1940 until 1945 he served as a navigator in RAF Bomber Command, reaching the rank of Flight lieutenant. He first received his flying training in Canada, during which time he met Albert Einstein and Orville Wright while on leave in New York. The war had a significant influence on his life: his only romance ended when his fiancée, a nurse called Lorna, was killed by a bomb which struck her ambulance. Moore subsequently remarked that he never married because "there was no one else for me...second best is no good for me...I would have liked a wife and family, but it was not to be." In his autobiography he stated that after sixty years he still thought about her, and that because of her death "if I saw the entire German nation sinking into the sea, I could be relied upon to help push it down." I can see why he hates them...
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Marf
22,907 posts
110 months
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Puggit said: Wiki said: Moore lied about his age in order to join the RAF and fight in World War II at the age of sixteen,[8]and from 1940 until 1945 he served as a navigator in RAF Bomber Command, reaching the rank of Flight lieutenant. He first received his flying training in Canada, during which time he met Albert Einstein and Orville Wright while on leave in New York. The war had a significant influence on his life: his only romance ended when his fiancée, a nurse called Lorna, was killed by a bomb which struck her ambulance. Moore subsequently remarked that he never married because "there was no one else for me...second best is no good for me...I would have liked a wife and family, but it was not to be." In his autobiography he stated that after sixty years he still thought about her, and that because of her death "if I saw the entire German nation sinking into the sea, I could be relied upon to help push it down." I can see why he hates them... 70 years is a long time to hold onto a grudge, especially a grudge against a nation which likely no longer contains the vast majority of the germans who actually fought against us.
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DrTre
12,428 posts
101 months
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Might not have been a German bomb. Might have been aliens. That would put him in a right quandary...
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900T-R
18,560 posts
126 months
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Rude-boy said: Where you have to be very careful is when you look into it all further and divide the Germans from the Nazis. All of a sudden you will find it quite hard to find any one European race that didn't have a finger in the 'wrong' pie.
At the time there was a very strong anti Semitic feeling in most of Europe and also a very pro Nazi movement. In this country it was largely suppressed but on the main land there were people who welcomed the arrival of the Nazis and offered their services to them at the earliest possible opportunity. Not just because that was one way to hide, but because many people actually supported them.
To continue to hold an anti German stance today with all the information we have to hand as to what actually happened and who were actually involved shows an ignorance of the facts and a lack of desire to understand and acknowledge the truth about the rise of the Nazi Party and WW2 in general. Exactly. Anti-semitism was quite evenly represented across the continent before the war. Us Dutch didn´t exactly cover ourselves with glory in those dark days either. The National Socialist Association was a significant political party in the 1930s here. Only a handful of public servants declined to sign the ´non-Jew declaration´ during the war. The rest thought ´Well, I´m no Jew so I don´t do anything wrong by signing a form that states I´m not a Jew.´ The Dutch Railways duly invoiced the German government the price of a one-way ticket for every Jew they transported to the concentration camps. There was a pretty sizeable congintent of Dutch who joined the SS and fought at the east front. By the sounds of it, the few Jews who survived the German camps and returned to their home country right after the war, weren´t exactly welcomed with open arms either. Then, after the war, everyone had been in the resistance and people were suddenly all petty and borderline criminal towards anyone who spoke German, or dared crossing our borders in a German-plated car. Great.
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Rude-boy
15,512 posts
102 months
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Marf said: 70 years is a long time to hold onto a grudge, especially a grudge against a nation which likely no longer contains the vast majority of the german's who actually fought against us. And as said the only person who that grudge has really affected is him. Sometimes we have to remember what happended, learn from it, and move on.
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