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Gretchen
11,911 posts
85 months
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Cock Womble 7 said: ExFiF said: All you whingers do realise that the checkout staff are instructed to behave like his, if they don't and get a low mystery shopper score it could, in theory, affect bonuses for the whole store staff.
Stop being such miserable sods, be a bit more accommodating of others and get your collective heads out of your collective rectums. With respect. I really want to punch you in the face. Mary Portas would have a field day over this thread. Some of the attitudes here are really rather wretched. Of course I'll imagine, if I may, that many who've posted here are the sort of customers who carry out telephone conversations while expecting to be served. And just so you know those serving you don't want to know you're on your way to a party, BBQ, bah bloody mitzvah, while they have to work on a weekend. Of course many staff amuse themselves by making lists of customers who've irked them. And then there's the places you hold an account. An account on a computer where there's a screen to add special notes. Notes that amuse staff no end when the customers account is pulled on screen. Notes like 'check out this beardy weirdly. He looks a bit rapey.'
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Zwolf
22,321 posts
75 months
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Gretchen said: Of course many staff amuse themselves by making lists of customers who've irked them. And then there's the places you hold an account. An account on a computer where there's a screen to add special notes. Notes that amuse staff no end when the customers account is pulled on screen. Notes like 'check out this beardy weirdly. He looks a bit rapey.' Best hope none of those people ever request to see the information you hold about them as is their right under the DPA. I know of at least one (public sector) organisation that had a big problem with this sort of thing and has had to edit many accounts and no longer keep such "helpful notes" about clients. Staff in that case were sacked, so I'd be very careful about just how "amusing" my notes about clients might be, especially any that go into electronic storage in theory indefinitely...
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Gretchen
11,911 posts
85 months
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fido said: Keyser Soze said:  That reminds me, I was grabbing a prescription a while ago and the lady in front muttered to the assistant 'A tube of Canesten please' Assistant (loudly to half the shop) 'Sorry CANESTAN?' Lady (obviously embarrassed and annoyed) Yes Canestan I have thrush!!! Hehe. Reminds me of the scene in 'Me, Myself and Irene' when someone pushes in front of Jim Carrey at a supermarket queue! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUjMwiOm8sA Sky One's 'Trollied' was a very well written and amusing series about the life of supermarket workers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kKUQceT6Og&fea...
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Gretchen
11,911 posts
85 months
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Zwolf said: Gretchen said: Of course many staff amuse themselves by making lists of customers who've irked them. And then there's the places you hold an account. An account on a computer where there's a screen to add special notes. Notes that amuse staff no end when the customers account is pulled on screen. Notes like 'check out this beardy weirdly. He looks a bit rapey.' Best hope none of those people ever request to see the information you hold about them as is their right under the DPA. I know of at least one (public sector) organisation that had a big problem with this sort of thing and has had to edit many accounts and no longer keep such "helpful notes" about clients. Staff in that case were sacked, so I'd be very careful about just how "amusing" my notes about clients might be, especially any that go into electronic storage in theory indefinitely... Not my business, and probably long before any 'rights' were invented. Certainly pre '98. Fortunately I work with very elderly wealthy ladies who mainly appreciate a good gossip. Be it about the weather or their families. It's all very traditional and everything's on paper. The old fashioned way with excellent customer service.
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JonRB
39,497 posts
141 months
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Gretchen said: Not my business, and probably long before any 'rights' were invented. Certainly pre '98. The first iteration of the Data Protection Act was 1984 (ironically). It was superseded by the Data Protection Act 1998
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Zwolf
22,321 posts
75 months
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JonRB said: The first iteration of the Data Protection Act was 1984 (ironically). For some reason I love this new bit of trivia. 
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Cock Womble 7
29,908 posts
99 months
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Gretchen said: Cock Womble 7 said: ExFiF said: All you whingers do realise that the checkout staff are instructed to behave like his, if they don't and get a low mystery shopper score it could, in theory, affect bonuses for the whole store staff.
Stop being such miserable sods, be a bit more accommodating of others and get your collective heads out of your collective rectums. With respect. I really want to punch you in the face. Mary Portas would have a field day over this thread. Some of the attitudes here are really rather wretched. Of course I'll imagine, if I may, that many who've posted here are the sort of customers who carry out telephone conversations while expecting to be served. And just so you know those serving you don't want to know you're on your way to a party, BBQ, bah bloody mitzvah, while they have to work on a weekend. Of course many staff amuse themselves by making lists of customers who've irked them. And then there's the places you hold an account. An account on a computer where there's a screen to add special notes. Notes that amuse staff no end when the customers account is pulled on screen. Notes like 'check out this beardy weirdly. He looks a bit rapey.' Now I want to punch you in the face.
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Gretchen
11,911 posts
85 months
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Cock Womble 7 said: Now I want to punch you in the face. Have a nice day 
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ExFiF
18,404 posts
120 months
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Cock Womble 7 said: I really want to punch you in the face. Completely incurable* you are CW7. - * incurable as in Bronn's line in Game of Thrones.
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ExFiF
18,404 posts
120 months
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DoubleSix said: Seconded.
You seem to have missed the point ExFiF, I don't mind genuine friendliness. But what's annoying is when people behave like automatons and don't apply whatever instructions they have been given in a thoughtful manner. Well maybe I have missed the point, maybe I haven't, don't know really. These people ARE instructed to behave like this by their employers, with pain of sanction if they don't. All on the back of some musings by a retail psychologist bod, which is then applied in a broad brush sweep by management as cheaply as possible. They forget that everyone is different. Customers are different, everything from people who love this, there must be one somewhere, via those like me who don't particularly care for it, but just go along with the flow having understood what is going on and trying to make life pleasant for everyone, to the grumpy old fart end of the spectrum as clearly present on this thread. Problem is, till staff are also all different, some will be naturals and take to it like a duck to water, some will be uncomfortable with it and struggle, and some will just avoid doing it. At which point the sanctions apply. If one considers a major UK bookseller, till staff are ordered to interact with customers this way with the purpose of making what is known as a link sale of the latest promotional book. Failure to do so, as noticed by management, will result in words of advice. This being the current HR weasel words for being put in disciplinary procedures. It defeats me why someone should be disciplined for failing to try to sell some worthless featherweight chick-lit romcom pap to a grumpy middle aged man who has just bought two heavyweight political - economic theory textbooks, but there you go. If the retailer wants to play at point of sale psychology, then they should put some effort into giving their staff skills in reading body language and, perhaps, customer profiling so they can react appropriately, but they don't as that would cost too much. In short, don't blame the till monkey, blame the management, and that is really the point.
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.:ian:.
923 posts
72 months
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Cock Womble 7 said: Gretchen said: Notes like 'check out this beardy weirdly. He looks a bit rapey.' Now I want to punch you in the face. 
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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ExFiF said: DoubleSix said: Seconded.
You seem to have missed the point ExFiF, I don't mind genuine friendliness. But what's annoying is when people behave like automatons and don't apply whatever instructions they have been given in a thoughtful manner. Well maybe I have missed the point, maybe I haven't, don't know really. These people ARE instructed to behave like this by their employers, with pain of sanction if they don't. All on the back of some musings by a retail psychologist bod, which is then applied in a broad brush sweep by management as cheaply as possible. They forget that everyone is different. Customers are different, everything from people who love this, there must be one somewhere, via those like me who don't particularly care for it, but just go along with the flow having understood what is going on and trying to make life pleasant for everyone, to the grumpy old fart end of the spectrum as clearly present on this thread. Problem is, till staff are also all different, some will be naturals and take to it like a duck to water, some will be uncomfortable with it and struggle, and some will just avoid doing it. At which point the sanctions apply. If one considers a major UK bookseller, till staff are ordered to interact with customers this way with the purpose of making what is known as a link sale of the latest promotional book. Failure to do so, as noticed by management, will result in words of advice. This being the current HR weasel words for being put in disciplinary procedures. It defeats me why someone should be disciplined for failing to try to sell some worthless featherweight chick-lit romcom pap to a grumpy middle aged man who has just bought two heavyweight political - economic theory textbooks, but there you go. If the retailer wants to play at point of sale psychology, then they should put some effort into giving their staff skills in reading body language and, perhaps, customer profiling so they can react appropriately, but they don't as that would cost too much. In short, don't blame the till monkey, blame the management, and that is really the point. I disagree I'm afraid. It's a very noble position you're taking, sure, but frankly it's not the job of management to install basic people skills into staff. I deal with clients all day long. If someone picks up the phone with a huff or sigh then that tells me to dispense with pleasantries and cut to the chase. If someone picks up the phone with a jaunty "hello" then a little small talk is probably appropriate. It's called 'mirroring' in sales speak but comes naturally to 99% of the population. It's not hard. It doesn't require training. If I dash into an empty coffee shop with bleary eyes and a car on double yellows outside then that is not the time to start asking me about my personal life and profession - it's time to make coffee. Swiftly. So you can blame management all you like but I prefer to place responsibility at the door of individuals.
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ExFiF
18,404 posts
120 months
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DoubleSix said: So you can blame management all you like but I prefer to place responsibility at the door of individuals. Fine, no problem, we will have to agree to disagree. Personal responsibility is all very well when individuals have that freedom to react appropriately, but when management remove that freedom it becomes rather more unclear, or?
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falkster
4,151 posts
72 months
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I don't understand all this 'management make us do this, if we fail the mystery shopper we will be spoken to'. Every job has terms and conditions, if you work in the service industry you need to understand you must be of the ability to be able to meet your terms and conditions or don't apply for the job. Common sense would tell you that by working in the service industry you must smile, greet, be pleasant and make the customer feel welcomed otherwise there's no point. I don't think I've ever trained or told anyone to be false and gushing when serving people, they're not stupid - you must be genuine but we should have also seen whether these people were the right people for the jobs whilst going through the application process.
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Hysteria1983
1,453 posts
27 months
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ExFiF said: All you whingers do realise that the checkout staff are instructed to behave like his, if they don't and get a low mystery shopper score it could, in theory, affect bonuses for the whole store staff.
Stop being such miserable sods, be a bit more accommodating of others and get your collective heads out of your collective rectums. With respect. Lol! True. I have been a mystery shopper. So I know how it works, and what to look for 
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captainzep
11,464 posts
61 months
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Check out staff?
I've just been to Halfords and waited 5 minutes at an empty till before someone came along and asked if I was being served. Couldn't see any staff in the aisles etc...
Was beginning to look at where the security cameras were and whether the defence of "assumed merchandise was being given away" might be arguable.
I'd have settled for a stuttering Ainsley Harriot tending the register at that point.
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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ExFiF said: DoubleSix said: So you can blame management all you like but I prefer to place responsibility at the door of individuals. Fine, no problem, we will have to agree to disagree. Personal responsibility is all very well when individuals have that freedom to react appropriately, but when management remove that freedom it becomes rather more unclear, or? I'd love to agree to disagree but you keep leaving question marks and/or assuming people have had all freedoms taken away from them. This is not so. A Starbucks in central London will be brisk, efficient and friendly (in the main). Staff will be courteous, but also aware people have places to be and have not come in for idle chitter chatter. The opposite is true of the example I gave earlier in the thread. Companies are not so stupid as to allow ZERO movement within excepted parameters. In fact it's often stupid front line staff misinterpreting good policy that leaves me frustrated. Example (same Starbucks!!); I always ask for a medium coffee in a large cup so as to stop the fill-to-brim episode which results in my car interior getting slopped on... manager understands this, as do those staff with brain, and happily comply. Enter new brain-dead staff member who has interpreted policy of using corresponding cup to drink size as STARBUCKS LAW and refuses whilst quoting said policy to me... luckily the manager stepped forward and explained that the customer (me) is perfectly entitled to select a larger cup should they so wish. I'm afraid fools exist everywhere and you're welcome to suffer them, but an idiot is an idiot as far as I'm concerned.
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Famous Graham
26,537 posts
94 months
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Zwolf said: FailHere said: If they want you to give your name in Starbucks, do you have to give your real name? I don't think they require photographic ID somehow  I find there's more variance in what's written on the cup when I do give my real name. It's three letters and one syllable. Yet has so far been all manner of things, the most amusing of which was "Lenno G" (as opposed to "Len, no G" as it kept gaining one). Evidently there's something confusing about how I pronounce my own name. Keeps happening to me. "Graham" pronounced with a British accent (mainly English but with a hint of Scots), really confuses the hell out of the Yanks. The most common mishearing is Brian for some reason.
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mattnunn
4,114 posts
30 months
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This is a true story. I was in WH Smiths the other day buying a bag of crisps and a Friji, we did the transaction and I asked teh women "Aren't you going to try an upsell me the obligatory WH Smith chococlate bar." She replied "You don't look as though you could afford it" How we both laughed. b  h.
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themanwithnoname
535 posts
82 months
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Cock Womble 7 said: Zwolf said: Chirpy people do exist. Chirpy people exist to remind us that murder is illegal. Exactly this. I don't go to the shops for a f  king chat.
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