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Grummpy said:
You reckon wrong.
You just need to drink more water.
e-cigs have four harmless ingredients.
Tobacco cigs have a least four thousand ingredients, including tar and carbon monoxide.
This is partly the issue my other half has, she wants me to try the tablets. Her argument (weak I think) is that we don't know the long term effects of some chemicals in these e-cig things. Mind you, every other day I read that some other food stuff is bad for you.You just need to drink more water.
e-cigs have four harmless ingredients.
Tobacco cigs have a least four thousand ingredients, including tar and carbon monoxide.
Regardless, I'm giving it a go. After twenty years it's time - wish me luck!
I'm looking to try the EVOD starter kit, seems to get decent reviews yes?
Grummpy said:
You reckon wrong.
You just need to drink more water.
e-cigs have four harmless ingredients.
Tobacco cigs have a least four thousand ingredients, including tar and carbon monoxide.
I look at it like this. When you hear negative news, stop and think who is saying it and do they have an agenda. In 99% of cases they are paid to form that opinion. Big Tobacco will try and discredit e-cigs. I take the view that the leading cancer guru from cancer UK who says 'e cigs are a low risk alternative to real cigarettes' as a pretty fkg good endorsement. chief oncologist at Yale also says the same thing. Or you could listen to a GP or a scientist paid by Rothmans who says ooh they are bad.You just need to drink more water.
e-cigs have four harmless ingredients.
Tobacco cigs have a least four thousand ingredients, including tar and carbon monoxide.
It is the tar in cigs that is the big problem. The other 4000 poisons would take 150 yrs to kill you-we die before it gets us ;o)
The truth as usual sits somewhere between the two main opinions I think.
Ecigs must be a healthier option than smoking, but are in no way as healthy as not smoking / vaping at all. I don't believe that they are totally safe and only have 4 ingredients etc. they must be doing me some harm, it's just that the harm they are doing is minimal compared to a real cigarette.
Ecigs must be a healthier option than smoking, but are in no way as healthy as not smoking / vaping at all. I don't believe that they are totally safe and only have 4 ingredients etc. they must be doing me some harm, it's just that the harm they are doing is minimal compared to a real cigarette.
LoonR1 said:
The truth as usual sits somewhere between the two main opinions I think.
Ecigs must be a healthier option than smoking, but are in no way as healthy as not smoking / vaping at all. I don't believe that they are totally safe and only have 4 ingredients etc. they must be doing me some harm, it's just that the harm they are doing is minimal compared to a real cigarette.
i make my juice myself, it contains 4 harmless ingredients. 50% of them being propylene glycol, which is the liquid in asthma inhalers.Ecigs must be a healthier option than smoking, but are in no way as healthy as not smoking / vaping at all. I don't believe that they are totally safe and only have 4 ingredients etc. they must be doing me some harm, it's just that the harm they are doing is minimal compared to a real cigarette.
been using e-cigs for 9 months, the improvement to my health proves to me theres f
k all wrong with them.Ive been on the ecigs for a year now, chest was bad to start as it got used to it but now chest is clear, I have problems with my sinuses and its a killer when I get a cold but seems a lot better and clears up quicker. My feet are warmer now especially in bed so my circulation is improving and I don't stink of fags.
Fags were killing me now I feel like Ive gone back 5 or 10 years there is no chance I'm going back on them.
On another note anyone actualy quite efags.
Fags were killing me now I feel like Ive gone back 5 or 10 years there is no chance I'm going back on them.
On another note anyone actualy quite efags.
Whilst PG is in asthma inhalers, that doesn't make it perfectly safe either. There is no way inhaling stuff can be good for you. Just as living in the City is worse than the countryside.
I'm on the way to quitting Ecigs hopefully. 30 years of smoking 20-30 a day then moved to vaping only 5 months ago and now on 0mg nicotine. I will have quit Ecigs by the end of May.
I'm on the way to quitting Ecigs hopefully. 30 years of smoking 20-30 a day then moved to vaping only 5 months ago and now on 0mg nicotine. I will have quit Ecigs by the end of May.
LoonR1 said:
The truth as usual sits somewhere between the two main opinions I think.
Ecigs must be a healthier option than smoking, but are in no way as healthy as not smoking / vaping at all. I don't believe that they are totally safe and only have 4 ingredients etc. they must be doing me some harm, it's just that the harm they are doing is minimal compared to a real cigarette.
You are right, it would be better to inhale nothing but clean air.Ecigs must be a healthier option than smoking, but are in no way as healthy as not smoking / vaping at all. I don't believe that they are totally safe and only have 4 ingredients etc. they must be doing me some harm, it's just that the harm they are doing is minimal compared to a real cigarette.
However, given the choice between smoking which is definitely lethal and vaping which is 99.9% safer, smokers who can't quit inhaling a nicotine cloud would be much better off vaping.
And they really do have four ingredients, and importantly, none of which is tar.
Chuck328 said:
Grummpy said:
You reckon wrong.
You just need to drink more water.
e-cigs have four harmless ingredients.
Tobacco cigs have a least four thousand ingredients, including tar and carbon monoxide.
This is partly the issue my other half has, she wants me to try the tablets. Her argument (weak I think) is that we don't know the long term effects of some chemicals in these e-cig things. Mind you, every other day I read that some other food stuff is bad for you.You just need to drink more water.
e-cigs have four harmless ingredients.
Tobacco cigs have a least four thousand ingredients, including tar and carbon monoxide.
Regardless, I'm giving it a go. After twenty years it's time - wish me luck!
I'm looking to try the EVOD starter kit, seems to get decent reviews yes?
Interesting company message got emailed out today:
Company Email said:
As part of ****’s ongoing commitment to a healthy and respectful workplace, we are clarifying the firm’s policy on the use of electronic cigarettes or e-cigarettes.
The firm’s policy is in the Company’s Employee Handbook, which is available on ****’s Intranet site and states that:
”It is strictly prohibited to smoke or use e-cigarettes anywhere on the Company premises or in the Company’s cars. Smoking or use of e-cigarettes near any of the entrances to the Company’s premises is actively discouraged.”
While e-cigarettes are not covered under the legal smoking ban, there is a perception problem and potentially a health, as well as a safety risk to others given the lack of research and regulation. E-cigarettes look like real cigarettes and give off water vapour containing nicotine, which can look like smoke. They are one of many nicotine replacement therapies, and the **** Health team can advise employees who wish to give up smoking more details on the options available.
The firm’s policy is in the Company’s Employee Handbook, which is available on ****’s Intranet site and states that:
”It is strictly prohibited to smoke or use e-cigarettes anywhere on the Company premises or in the Company’s cars. Smoking or use of e-cigarettes near any of the entrances to the Company’s premises is actively discouraged.”
While e-cigarettes are not covered under the legal smoking ban, there is a perception problem and potentially a health, as well as a safety risk to others given the lack of research and regulation. E-cigarettes look like real cigarettes and give off water vapour containing nicotine, which can look like smoke. They are one of many nicotine replacement therapies, and the **** Health team can advise employees who wish to give up smoking more details on the options available.
Grummpy said:
You are right, it would be better to inhale nothing but clean air.
However, given the choice between smoking which is definitely lethal and vaping which is 99.9% safer, smokers who can't quit inhaling a nicotine cloud would be much better off vaping.
And they really do have four ingredients, and importantly, none of which is tar.
I'm not disputing that in fact I think we're very much in agreement. I'm just saying it's unlikely to be the perfectly safe pastime everyone thinks it is. However, given the choice between smoking which is definitely lethal and vaping which is 99.9% safer, smokers who can't quit inhaling a nicotine cloud would be much better off vaping.
And they really do have four ingredients, and importantly, none of which is tar.
Jabbah said:
Interesting company message got emailed out today:
My firm's message was very similar, except that instead of appealing to unsubstantiated concerns over health, they indicated that ecigs may have the potential to set off the fire alarms, inconveniencing everyone in the building. Company Email said:
As part of ****’s ongoing commitment to a healthy and respectful workplace, we are clarifying the firm’s policy on the use of electronic cigarettes or e-cigarettes.
The firm’s policy is in the Company’s Employee Handbook, which is available on ****’s Intranet site and states that:
”It is strictly prohibited to smoke or use e-cigarettes anywhere on the Company premises or in the Company’s cars. Smoking or use of e-cigarettes near any of the entrances to the Company’s premises is actively discouraged.”
While e-cigarettes are not covered under the legal smoking ban, there is a perception problem and potentially a health, as well as a safety risk to others given the lack of research and regulation. E-cigarettes look like real cigarettes and give off water vapour containing nicotine, which can look like smoke. They are one of many nicotine replacement therapies, and the **** Health team can advise employees who wish to give up smoking more details on the options available.
The firm’s policy is in the Company’s Employee Handbook, which is available on ****’s Intranet site and states that:
”It is strictly prohibited to smoke or use e-cigarettes anywhere on the Company premises or in the Company’s cars. Smoking or use of e-cigarettes near any of the entrances to the Company’s premises is actively discouraged.”
While e-cigarettes are not covered under the legal smoking ban, there is a perception problem and potentially a health, as well as a safety risk to others given the lack of research and regulation. E-cigarettes look like real cigarettes and give off water vapour containing nicotine, which can look like smoke. They are one of many nicotine replacement therapies, and the **** Health team can advise employees who wish to give up smoking more details on the options available.
Patent tosh, but there we go. Instead of being productive whilst puffing away, I'll take ten minutes every 90 to pop down to the smoking shelter and have a natter...
On a lighter note, my Sophia arrived today. Completely underwhelming packaging, and I managed to dump a tankful of fresh liquid over myself, but now I've got it setup it's performance compared to the iclear30 is night and day.
Doesn't go too well with the mvp though (beauty ring doesn't work so flimsy connection, plus it looks gash), and the tank is diddy - think I need both a mechanical tube mod with kick module, plus a custom PH logo'd Phiniac tank...
Notice Cloud 9 have a clearance sale on Titanide mods...
Bugger.
Sway said:
Jabbah said:
Interesting company message got emailed out today:
My firm's message was very similar, except that instead of appealing to unsubstantiated concerns over health, they indicated that ecigs may have the potential to set off the fire alarms, inconveniencing everyone in the building. Company Email said:
As part of ****’s ongoing commitment to a healthy and respectful workplace, we are clarifying the firm’s policy on the use of electronic cigarettes or e-cigarettes.
The firm’s policy is in the Company’s Employee Handbook, which is available on ****’s Intranet site and states that:
”It is strictly prohibited to smoke or use e-cigarettes anywhere on the Company premises or in the Company’s cars. Smoking or use of e-cigarettes near any of the entrances to the Company’s premises is actively discouraged.”
While e-cigarettes are not covered under the legal smoking ban, there is a perception problem and potentially a health, as well as a safety risk to others given the lack of research and regulation. E-cigarettes look like real cigarettes and give off water vapour containing nicotine, which can look like smoke. They are one of many nicotine replacement therapies, and the **** Health team can advise employees who wish to give up smoking more details on the options available.
The firm’s policy is in the Company’s Employee Handbook, which is available on ****’s Intranet site and states that:
”It is strictly prohibited to smoke or use e-cigarettes anywhere on the Company premises or in the Company’s cars. Smoking or use of e-cigarettes near any of the entrances to the Company’s premises is actively discouraged.”
While e-cigarettes are not covered under the legal smoking ban, there is a perception problem and potentially a health, as well as a safety risk to others given the lack of research and regulation. E-cigarettes look like real cigarettes and give off water vapour containing nicotine, which can look like smoke. They are one of many nicotine replacement therapies, and the **** Health team can advise employees who wish to give up smoking more details on the options available.
Patent tosh, but there we go. Instead of being productive whilst puffing away, I'll take ten minutes every 90 to pop down to the smoking shelter and have a natter...
On a lighter note, my Sophia arrived today. Completely underwhelming packaging, and I managed to dump a tankful of fresh liquid over myself, but now I've got it setup it's performance compared to the iclear30 is night and day.
Doesn't go too well with the mvp though (beauty ring doesn't work so flimsy connection, plus it looks gash), and the tank is diddy - think I need both a mechanical tube mod with kick module, plus a custom PH logo'd Phiniac tank...
Notice Cloud 9 have a clearance sale on Titanide mods...
Bugger.
Prof Beard said:
Well I'm still very pleased with mine, no gurgles, leaks or dry hits. I use the low res coils too, but I also make make my own from NR-R-NR premade wires and silica wick
Leaks are what put me back onto real cigs. I must have tried 5 or 6 different tanks from CE5s, to Kangers to expensive ones. Each one started to leak after a week or two, destroying clothes and leaving a horrible smell everywhere.Loon, I completely agree, however it would be nice for there to be a degree of honesty (if my kit didn't set off a single alarm on over 200 flights last year, I very much doubt there's the remotest chance in a large office).
The productivity thing is their loss (which they clearly accept), but it's irritating when there's no clear rationale, and I've been spoilt by a multitude of offices (at my previous employer) where I can vape away during meetings etc.
But as said, their rules, their choice.
The productivity thing is their loss (which they clearly accept), but it's irritating when there's no clear rationale, and I've been spoilt by a multitude of offices (at my previous employer) where I can vape away during meetings etc.
But as said, their rules, their choice.
Art0ir said:
Leaks are what put me back onto real cigs. I must have tried 5 or 6 different tanks from CE5s, to Kangers to expensive ones. Each one started to leak after a week or two, destroying clothes and leaving a horrible smell everywhere.
I'd agree, and have been very fortunate with my kit experiences so far. Managed to dump the second tank of the night over my driveway - slipped my cig in my back pocket walking to the car, pulled it out by the tank as per usual, forgetting that this tank isn't screwed to the battery by a thread...
Oops. Hopefully the last stupid cock up, it is vaping lovely though!
Sway said:
Loon, I completely agree, however it would be nice for there to be a degree of honesty (if my kit didn't set off a single alarm on over 200 flights last year, I very much doubt there's the remotest chance in a large office).
The productivity thing is their loss (which they clearly accept), but it's irritating when there's no clear rationale, and I've been spoilt by a multitude of offices (at my previous employer) where I can vape away during meetings etc.
But as said, their rules, their choice.
I have to admit to chuckling at the productivity argument. A few years ago smokers were all over being more productive as they took a short break and refreshed their brain rather than plodding along like the non smokers. As a smoker and now vaper I just think it's funny to listen to whatever argument supports their case at any given time. The productivity thing is their loss (which they clearly accept), but it's irritating when there's no clear rationale, and I've been spoilt by a multitude of offices (at my previous employer) where I can vape away during meetings etc.
But as said, their rules, their choice.
I've met many that say the same.
Not for me, I have too many 3-4 hour long meetings a week, and am rarely at my desk, so the argument as a workstation break doesn't work for me.
For me, it is and always has been a burdensome requirement to leave the office to smoke/vape. It was one of the initial drivers for the switch.
Not for me, I have too many 3-4 hour long meetings a week, and am rarely at my desk, so the argument as a workstation break doesn't work for me.
For me, it is and always has been a burdensome requirement to leave the office to smoke/vape. It was one of the initial drivers for the switch.
Jabbah said:
Interesting company message got emailed out today:
Snap, so we work for the same firm, both use e-cigs and have a Cerbera. Are you me? Company Email said:
As part of ****’s ongoing commitment to a healthy and respectful workplace, we are clarifying the firm’s policy on the use of electronic cigarettes or e-cigarettes.
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