Discussion
Shnozz said:
Apologies for sounding like a newbie all over again but....
1) Since having the CF Aspire I don't understand these "box mods" - does the glassomiser thing and coil just screw on to the top of that rather than into it? Can it be used with the K1 and the BVC thing I have already?
2) How do you know what voltage to operate it at?
3) What difference does the differing voltages make?
4) Do you need different coils to run at different voltages?
I'm thinking of doing what you do - running one of these at home and office and a CF Aspire battery whilst mobile.
In order!1) Since having the CF Aspire I don't understand these "box mods" - does the glassomiser thing and coil just screw on to the top of that rather than into it? Can it be used with the K1 and the BVC thing I have already?
2) How do you know what voltage to operate it at?
3) What difference does the differing voltages make?
4) Do you need different coils to run at different voltages?
I'm thinking of doing what you do - running one of these at home and office and a CF Aspire battery whilst mobile.
1) Yep, it's just a differently shaped battery, with the same threads to screw your atomiser/tank/carto/whatever onto. Will work just fine with K1 and BVC coils.
2) Whatever gives the best balance of vapour/temperature/flavour for you - I know people using the same kit and juice as me at higher and lower voltages, it's just personal preference.
3) Higher the voltage, the hotter the coil, so the more vapour being produced. Also has an effect on flavour (often counter-intuitive!). Care needs to be taken that you don't go too high - if the coils can't keep up wicking the volume of juice being vapourised, then you'll get dry hits (which are both minging and could lead to health issues long term according to some recent research).
4) Nope, the resistance and the voltage work in conjunction. You can get essentially the same effect using a higher voltage with a higher resistance coil (it's a proportional relationship), but essentially get a coil, tune it to the voltage you want, forget about it until you replace coil.
Hope that helps. These things are really very simple if you can remember high school physics (V=IR) and relate that to what's happening, however things get very complicated when you really get into it - temperature of coils, wicking ability, evaporative cooling of different juices, etc. No-one really gets too fussed about it other than the kit manufacturers...
As for handling, I used to carry a pack of 20 and a zippo with me everywhere. Even a MVP v2 is smaller than that combo, although heavier. My current box mod (which is a little different in it's design) is the size of a pack of cards, with nothing sticking out other than the drip tip, and it's unnoticeable - the iStick is tiny and light.
Shnozz said:
Thanks Sway - thats really useful.
What is your box mod of choice out of interest? I like the thought of the tank and drip tip not sticking out of the top for ease of carrying.
You want a box mod you say???What is your box mod of choice out of interest? I like the thought of the tank and drip tip not sticking out of the top for ease of carrying.
Haha, have a look here, LOADS of inspiration I warn you though, it can be a slippery and VERY expensive habit!
I've got a Billet Box. Not cheap, but a lot cheaper than when I got it as they're now available in the EU from Atmistique in Greece...
It's bloody brilliant - no better to vape than any other BVC coiled kit, but so nicely made, so tough and compact, etc. that I love it.
Cost a lot less than 2 months of fags, and that was nearly a year ago - with no real desire to get anything else.
VEA - go away with your bloody temptation! Only thing that would tempt me away from the BB is a integrated atomiser DNA40 box. Which will be stupidly expensive, difficult to order, and generally stressful!!
It's bloody brilliant - no better to vape than any other BVC coiled kit, but so nicely made, so tough and compact, etc. that I love it.
Cost a lot less than 2 months of fags, and that was nearly a year ago - with no real desire to get anything else.
VEA - go away with your bloody temptation! Only thing that would tempt me away from the BB is a integrated atomiser DNA40 box. Which will be stupidly expensive, difficult to order, and generally stressful!!
Building your own coils!!
Hi tomorrow I'm expecting to receive my first re-build-able coils, I'm just wondering what people use in the way of cotton and wire. I've been looking and its seems to be 50/50 if you need to boil the cotton. Also people seem to be using just standard cotton wool balls as long as they are organic?? I'll look into getting the proper stuff if I get on with the drippers just want to try them first.
Hi tomorrow I'm expecting to receive my first re-build-able coils, I'm just wondering what people use in the way of cotton and wire. I've been looking and its seems to be 50/50 if you need to boil the cotton. Also people seem to be using just standard cotton wool balls as long as they are organic?? I'll look into getting the proper stuff if I get on with the drippers just want to try them first.
Cotton
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000TCD51A/ref=...
Some people use Rayon, some use organic balls from their local pharmacy. But the general consensus appears to be that Japanese Cotton wicks the best.
Wire
http://www.stealthvape.co.uk/kanthal-rebuildable-a...
Conversion and stuff http://ukvapers.org/Thread-Places-to-buy-Wire-Wick...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000TCD51A/ref=...
Some people use Rayon, some use organic balls from their local pharmacy. But the general consensus appears to be that Japanese Cotton wicks the best.
Wire
http://www.stealthvape.co.uk/kanthal-rebuildable-a...
Conversion and stuff http://ukvapers.org/Thread-Places-to-buy-Wire-Wick...
VEA said:
Shnozz said:
Thanks Sway - thats really useful.
What is your box mod of choice out of interest? I like the thought of the tank and drip tip not sticking out of the top for ease of carrying.
You want a box mod you say???What is your box mod of choice out of interest? I like the thought of the tank and drip tip not sticking out of the top for ease of carrying.
Haha, have a look here, LOADS of inspiration I warn you though, it can be a slippery and VERY expensive habit!
When I bought the Atlantis, I was only an "out of stock" away from purchasing a £140 mod to go with it!
Check out the Gizmo (NatureVape), only gripe I've had with it is that it has to be taken apart and cleaned every so often so as not to gunk up the connections. On the plus side, they now do various sizes to accommodate certain tanks.
STIfree said:
Aspire Mini Nautilus
Got the standard battery with it (carbon one) which is 1000mAh 3.3-4.8v
Looking for a second battery to use with this tank whilst I have one battery on charge. Any recommendations or should I just go standard 1000mAh battery again? Cheers
My stock advice these days is to buy an iStick. they are small the battery lasts ages ( aday+ easily) and they are easy to charge. Got the standard battery with it (carbon one) which is 1000mAh 3.3-4.8v
Looking for a second battery to use with this tank whilst I have one battery on charge. Any recommendations or should I just go standard 1000mAh battery again? Cheers
There are several newer models of the iStick coming out now or very soon that let you fire lower resistance coils, or go to higher power settings, but if you're happy with a Nautilus then a standard one will do just fine.
DizzyN said:
My MVP2 has never let me down [...] If you're not in any rush, could wait for the MVP3 which is due out relatively soon.
The MVP3 is due in the next 3 months(ish) - Innokin have put out the MVP20W in the meantime which is a slightly improved version of the MVP (it fires higher and has a spring loaded 510 connection) which is the other box mod in this price range. iSticks are under £30 now and MVPs are around £40
Innokin are likely to improve the MVP in a similar fashion to what they did with the SVD - i.e. greatly improve the build quality and use better electronics in it. No idea what they'll cost but £50 is probably close.
If you can afford it, forget all of them though and buy a DNA40 box mod. The Vapor Shark ones are great, there are several others - you're looking at £150+ for one of those. To take advantage of temperature regulation you'll want a rebuildable atomiser, though coils for existing clearomisers, using temperature protection wire are likely more widely available "soon"
The thing with DNA40s is that they have temperature control of the coils which is likely to be the "next big thing" in vaping.
CuckooInMyNest said:
Cotty said:
For people using NatureVape coils thought I might point you to this thread on UK Vapers
Hand Made Microcoils And Recoiled Evod, Protank Heads
http://ukvapers.org/Thread-Hand-Made-Microcoils-An...
I have been using these for a little while now.Hand Made Microcoils And Recoiled Evod, Protank Heads
http://ukvapers.org/Thread-Hand-Made-Microcoils-An...
Brilliant.
Very robust coils that do not fall apart when re-wicking
Really good value, really cheap shipping.
Huge saving over Naturevape.
Thanks for the recommendation.
VictorCharlie said:
The MVP3 is due in the next 3 months(ish) - Innokin have put out the MVP20W in the meantime which is a slightly improved version of the MVP (it fires higher and has a spring loaded 510 connection) which is the other box mod in this price range.
iSticks are under £30 now and MVPs are around £40
Innokin are likely to improve the MVP in a similar fashion to what they did with the SVD - i.e. greatly improve the build quality and use better electronics in it. No idea what they'll cost but £50 is probably close.
If you can afford it, forget all of them though and buy a DNA40 box mod. The Vapor Shark ones are great, there are several others - you're looking at £150+ for one of those. To take advantage of temperature regulation you'll want a rebuildable atomiser, though coils for existing clearomisers, using temperature protection wire are likely more widely available "soon"
The thing with DNA40s is that they have temperature control of the coils which is likely to be the "next big thing" in vaping.
What's the deal with the temperature control of the coils? I recently saw VaporShark have released coils specific to an Aspire tank (can't remember which one) that'll suit their DNA40 boards. Will it just mean that coils will be able to burn at higher temps without affecting the temperature of the vape itself i.e. not get warmer?iSticks are under £30 now and MVPs are around £40
Innokin are likely to improve the MVP in a similar fashion to what they did with the SVD - i.e. greatly improve the build quality and use better electronics in it. No idea what they'll cost but £50 is probably close.
If you can afford it, forget all of them though and buy a DNA40 box mod. The Vapor Shark ones are great, there are several others - you're looking at £150+ for one of those. To take advantage of temperature regulation you'll want a rebuildable atomiser, though coils for existing clearomisers, using temperature protection wire are likely more widely available "soon"
The thing with DNA40s is that they have temperature control of the coils which is likely to be the "next big thing" in vaping.
Shnozz said:
Since having the CF Aspire I don't understand these "box mods" - does the glassomiser thing and coil just screw on to the top of that rather than into it? Can it be used with the K1 and the BVC thing I have already?
They screw onto the top, . Here are my two with a K1 on the left and BVC Nautilus on the right (click pic for larger version)
mine sit a little proud as I have an extra adapter on there that does this
Some fit inside the box. This is a custom job I have ordered from a mod maker on http://ukvapers.org/ but this is the last batch
treehack said:
Well my kit I ordered arrived today, just opened it and no mini nautilus but a K1 glassomizer. Not happy and a phone call first thing in the morning I think.
. Think I've just ordered the same as you from ukecigs. I'm hoping mine will be here tomorrow when I get back from work. Hopefully with a nautilus though!Jonboy_t said:
. Think I've just ordered the same as you from ukecigs. I'm hoping mine will be here tomorrow when I get back from work. Hopefully with a nautilus though!treehack said:
Jonboy_t said:
. Think I've just ordered the same as you from ukecigs. I'm hoping mine will be here tomorrow when I get back from work. Hopefully with a nautilus though!DizzyN said:
What's the deal with the temperature control of the coils? I recently saw VaporShark have released coils specific to an Aspire tank (can't remember which one) that'll suit their DNA40 boards. Will it just mean that coils will be able to burn at higher temps without affecting the temperature of the vape itself i.e. not get warmer?
There's a (lengthy) good vid on YouTube - pbusardo dna40. Has a guy from evolv who makes the chips. There's a growing body of research that shows that high coil temperatures could be very bad for your health. There's a big study that I don't think has been fully released yet that tests fully.
Problem is, up until the dna40, everything has been about throwing volts at a coil without much in the way of control. Hold the button down longer, or inhale slowly, and the coil can rise to crazy temps (scorched coils, burnt juice, etc.).
What the dna40 does is set the amount of hit you want (variable wattage), and the max temp of the coil. It'll then give the coil full beans to get it up to temp, then cut in/out really quickly to prevent the coil overheating. So coils/wicks should last a hell of a lot longer, and vaping will be 'guaranteed' safe long term.
The analogies I've developed to explain it on here is:
Set the voltage = constant throttle. Whatever you set it to, it'll just keep piling in that amount.
Set the wattage = standard cruise control. It'll take into account the changes in resistance that happen as the coil temperature changes, but won't stop you overheating the coil/piling into the back of another car.
Set the max. temp = adaptive cruise control. Doesn't matter what happens, it'll try to maintain a fixed speed/temp, regardless. Including stopping completely if that's the right thing to do.
Hope that makes sense?
Quick question for Aspire K1/BVC boffins..
I bought a K1 starter kit, and recently ordered a spare K1 Glassomiser.
It would appear the BVC coils are different?
Top is the one that came with the kit, including the 5 spares
Bottom is the one that came with the glassomiser, is this the latest BVC coil and with my starter kit I got the cast off old style coils?
curious.. the flat coils seem to vape better, can not really find anything online, though not looked in depth.
I bought a K1 starter kit, and recently ordered a spare K1 Glassomiser.
It would appear the BVC coils are different?
Top is the one that came with the kit, including the 5 spares
Bottom is the one that came with the glassomiser, is this the latest BVC coil and with my starter kit I got the cast off old style coils?
curious.. the flat coils seem to vape better, can not really find anything online, though not looked in depth.
Edited by dotty on Tuesday 20th January 21:39
Sway said:
There's a (lengthy) good vid on YouTube - pbusardo dna40. Has a guy from evolv who makes the chips.
There's a growing body of research that shows that high coil temperatures could be very bad for your health. There's a big study that I don't think has been fully released yet that tests fully.
Problem is, up until the dna40, everything has been about throwing volts at a coil without much in the way of control. Hold the button down longer, or inhale slowly, and the coil can rise to crazy temps (scorched coils, burnt juice, etc.).
What the dna40 does is set the amount of hit you want (variable wattage), and the max temp of the coil. It'll then give the coil full beans to get it up to temp, then cut in/out really quickly to prevent the coil overheating. So coils/wicks should last a hell of a lot longer, and vaping will be 'guaranteed' safe long term.
The analogies I've developed to explain it on here is:
Set the voltage = constant throttle. Whatever you set it to, it'll just keep piling in that amount.
Set the wattage = standard cruise control. It'll take into account the changes in resistance that happen as the coil temperature changes, but won't stop you overheating the coil/piling into the back of another car.
Set the max. temp = adaptive cruise control. Doesn't matter what happens, it'll try to maintain a fixed speed/temp, regardless. Including stopping completely if that's the right thing to do.
Hope that makes sense?
That really does make sense, thanks. I didn't think that heat would be an issue health wise for these, certainly haven't read anything anywhere. There's a growing body of research that shows that high coil temperatures could be very bad for your health. There's a big study that I don't think has been fully released yet that tests fully.
Problem is, up until the dna40, everything has been about throwing volts at a coil without much in the way of control. Hold the button down longer, or inhale slowly, and the coil can rise to crazy temps (scorched coils, burnt juice, etc.).
What the dna40 does is set the amount of hit you want (variable wattage), and the max temp of the coil. It'll then give the coil full beans to get it up to temp, then cut in/out really quickly to prevent the coil overheating. So coils/wicks should last a hell of a lot longer, and vaping will be 'guaranteed' safe long term.
The analogies I've developed to explain it on here is:
Set the voltage = constant throttle. Whatever you set it to, it'll just keep piling in that amount.
Set the wattage = standard cruise control. It'll take into account the changes in resistance that happen as the coil temperature changes, but won't stop you overheating the coil/piling into the back of another car.
Set the max. temp = adaptive cruise control. Doesn't matter what happens, it'll try to maintain a fixed speed/temp, regardless. Including stopping completely if that's the right thing to do.
Hope that makes sense?
I think the problem with e-cigarettes is with them being such a new product and development constantly ongoing, they can definitely become an expensive habit!
Now the toss up is between going for a normal mech mod as I stated previously in this thread ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00J0Z0AZG/ref=... ) or just splashing on one of these and having it replace my MVP2 and Aspire CF, whilst promising not to buy myself anything for a long time!
I'm guessing the versatility of the RDNA40 means that I wouldn't be looking to upgrade it anytime soon and it'd be suitable with most rebuildables (should I ever get into them) or clearomizers (nautilus/atlantis - or whatever else may come out in a week or two)?
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