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andym1603
867 posts
41 months
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I think the same as the OP. As soon as the teachers lost the belt/cane etc all respect was lost from the pupils.
Never heard of teacher assaults/disrespect during the Seventies. We were all scared to do any wrong.
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TheHeretic
68,165 posts
124 months
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Nonsense. You mistake respect for fear. Does anyone seriously think the 70's, or 80's were any better than now? I certainly don't. People turn a blind eye to events that do not happen, and simply see the bad, or at the very least simply react to what the red tops and the media tell them. I'm quite sure there were plenty of teacher assaults in the 70's. Whether you heard about any of them due to changes in the media is another thing entirely, or even whether these things were reported, etc. How many compensation claims are out in for these things in the hope of getting a bit of wonga?
It seems, as usual, the generation gap is merely doing its usual thing, again. Those pesky kids. It wasn't like that in my day, and other such dreary tomes.
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66comanche
2,369 posts
28 months
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andym1603 said: I think the same as the OP. As soon as the teachers lost the belt/cane etc all respect was lost from the pupils.
Never heard of teacher assaults/disrespect during the Seventies. We were all scared to do any wrong. Isn't this just a case of 'the youth of today!' as regurgitated by every single generation since the year dot? As a schoolchild of the mid 80's to mid 90's, we had a healthy respect for (most) teachers, never heard of a kid assaulting a teacher. Teaching methods are undoubtedly different now, but if a student can be convinced/persuaded to do something off their own back rather than purely doing it out of fear of physical pain, I'd say that's a more positive prognosis for that person in later life.
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HerrSchnell
1,548 posts
68 months
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66comanche said: Isn't this just a case of 'the youth of today!' as regurgitated by every single generation since the year dot? . Since 400 years before Christ at least: Socrates said: "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they allow disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children now are tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
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TheHeretic
68,165 posts
124 months
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McHaggis
7,758 posts
24 months
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Socrates? Didn't he play left back for Fulham? 
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Use Psychology
9,797 posts
61 months
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rhinochopig
16,058 posts
67 months
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Cock Womble 7 said: wildcat45 said: I think a former Royal Marine Wasn't there a government drive recently to recruit ex-Armed Forces personnel into the teaching profession? Sounded like a good plan to me, but seems to have died a death. You teaching A-level girls in school that still mandates a uniform, what could possibly go wrong?
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Cock Womble 7
29,908 posts
99 months
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rhinochopig said: You teaching A-level girls in school that still mandates a uniform, what could possibly go wrong? Obviously a fantasy of mine, but I fear I'm too ex-Armed Forces (it's been over twenty years) to be any use to the teaching profession. Still strikes me as a sound idea though.
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nelly1
4,922 posts
100 months
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Carthage
2,975 posts
13 months
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I've done a bit of teaching/lecturing and either you have the personality to discipline your students effectively into good behaviour (without beatings) or you don't.
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Pints
14,717 posts
63 months
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I had my fair share of the cane at school and it taught me healthy respect for my elders. And if the teacher couldn't identify who was causing the ruckus, we all got a whipping.
P.S. I'm only 34 so this wasn't that long ago.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,089 posts
19 months
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Kids have to be taught that violence is unacceptable...and the way to do that is with violence! Yup, makes perfect sense! 
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Pints
14,717 posts
63 months
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TwigtheWonderkid said: Kids have to be taught that violence is unacceptable...and the way to do that is with violence! Yup, makes perfect sense! No, they're taught that misbehaviour and disobedience have uncomfortable consequences. In some instances, a jolly good whipping is the best consequence to illustrate that.
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TheHeretic
68,165 posts
124 months
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Pints said: No, they're taught that misbehaviour and disobedience have uncomfortable consequences. In some instances, a jolly good whipping is the best consequence to illustrate that. And yet it would seem that caning, and whipping was commonplace... So clearly it never worked, did it?
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Cock Womble 7
29,908 posts
99 months
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TheHeretic said: And yet it would seem that caning, and whipping was commonplace... So clearly it never worked, did it? I was never caned or whipped at school. I f  king love it now though.
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S1_RS
643 posts
68 months
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McHaggis said: Socrates? Didn't he play left back for Fulham? Not quite, "He played for Botafogo-SP before joining Corinthians in 1978. He then moved to Italy to play for Fiorentina, returning to Brazil in 1985 to end his career."
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TheHeretic
68,165 posts
124 months
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Cock Womble 7 said: I was never caned or whipped at school. I f king love it now though. By headmasters? 
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alfa pint
3,856 posts
80 months
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Cock Womble 7 said: Wasn't there a government drive recently to recruit ex-Armed Forces personnel into the teaching profession?
Sounded like a good plan to me, but seems to have died a death. Because none of us want to work with brats. At least the young lads that arrive in the forces can be punished if they step out of line. There's no recourse for your average 12 year old.
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Lost soul
5,246 posts
51 months
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KaraK said: I despise those who equate discipline with violence/physical pain. My parents and teachers managed just fine without it and in fact I would go so far as to say that by instilling respect for authority rather than fear I turned out for the better. You maybe
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