back to 7.62 ?
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hidetheelephants said:
Interesting, cheers.I'm guessing that the round is the same as a gpmg, and as the sniper rifle is a specialist weapon and the gpmg is an area weapon the L129a1 fills the gap for a longer range single shot weapon for a section,
But like always they probably haven't asked the blokes what they need or want and someone somewhere has got a contract to make another weapon which will prove to be full of bad design faults that they will spend the next 20 years putting right, although it does look like they have taken a lot of the designs from the m4
They should bin the Sa80, it's been a pile of s
t since it came out, and give the lads m4s or demarco's
But like always they probably haven't asked the blokes what they need or want and someone somewhere has got a contract to make another weapon which will prove to be full of bad design faults that they will spend the next 20 years putting right, although it does look like they have taken a lot of the designs from the m4
They should bin the Sa80, it's been a pile of s
t since it came out, and give the lads m4s or demarco'sslideways said:
I'm guessing that the round is the same as a gpmg, and as the sniper rifle is a specialist weapon and the gpmg is an area weapon the L129a1 fills the gap for a longer range single shot weapon for a section,
But like always they probably haven't asked the blokes what they need or want and someone somewhere has got a contract to make another weapon which will prove to be full of bad design faults that they will spend the next 20 years putting right, although it does look like they have taken a lot of the designs from the m4
They should bin the Sa80, it's been a pile of st since it came out, and give the lads m4s or demarco's
What's sBut like always they probably haven't asked the blokes what they need or want and someone somewhere has got a contract to make another weapon which will prove to be full of bad design faults that they will spend the next 20 years putting right, although it does look like they have taken a lot of the designs from the m4
They should bin the Sa80, it's been a pile of s
t since it came out, and give the lads m4s or demarco'st about it? I've carried it for 2 tours of afghan and a tour of Iraq and its been faultless.hidetheelephants said:
Thanks for that, good read.I think that we'll stick with what we've got at the minute though, only 2 years left in Afghanistan, the government will be reluctant to spend anymore than it absolutely has to in the next 8-10 years.
The worst thing about the sa80 is that its heavy and rusts so easily. Put a ugl on it and its not balanced very well, ive sometimes thought I'd rather use a ugl on its own. The new handguard for the sa80 with foregrip is a good idea executed badly.
The new sharpshooter is used one per section and not a replacement for the sa80 as far as I know. I'm not happy unless ive got the gpmg and at least 800 link, I love it! My idea of hell is the minimi!
Makes me chuckle when you see ANA with an rpg and 3 warheads for a personal weapon!
The new sharpshooter is used one per section and not a replacement for the sa80 as far as I know. I'm not happy unless ive got the gpmg and at least 800 link, I love it! My idea of hell is the minimi!
Makes me chuckle when you see ANA with an rpg and 3 warheads for a personal weapon!
Zoobeef said:
slideways said:
I'm guessing that the round is the same as a gpmg, and as the sniper rifle is a specialist weapon and the gpmg is an area weapon the L129a1 fills the gap for a longer range single shot weapon for a section,
But like always they probably haven't asked the blokes what they need or want and someone somewhere has got a contract to make another weapon which will prove to be full of bad design faults that they will spend the next 20 years putting right, although it does look like they have taken a lot of the designs from the m4
They should bin the Sa80, it's been a pile of st since it came out, and give the lads m4s or demarco's
What's sBut like always they probably haven't asked the blokes what they need or want and someone somewhere has got a contract to make another weapon which will prove to be full of bad design faults that they will spend the next 20 years putting right, although it does look like they have taken a lot of the designs from the m4
They should bin the Sa80, it's been a pile of s
t since it came out, and give the lads m4s or demarco'st about it? I've carried it for 2 tours of afghan and a tour of Iraq and its been faultless.dai1983 said:
Makes me chuckle when you see ANA with an rpg and 3 warheads for a personal weapon!
That makes me feel uncomfortable just thinking about it! Maybe they just dont feel exposed by it. I feel vunerable leaving the house without my phone..fk being on a patrol with only an RPG!slideways said:
Ok maybe they have sorted all the faults it had but it's taken 20 years,
26!The SA80 has its critics, and mostly fair enough. However, it is very accurate, has as near to no recoil as you'll get in an assault rifle and reliability problems have mostly been ironed out. I always felt it a reassuringly solid piece of kit, the big problem is the feeble rounds.
hidetheelephants said:
Thanks for that, a well written article, some of the armchair warriors on here would do well to read it. I had heard the SA80 started out as a larger caliber rifle but wasn't sure sure if i'd imagined it, that piece confirmed that I hadn't lost all my marbles.
As a leftie I'm not keen on the SA80 just because I don't want a big burned gash torn into my face (left-eyed as well as left-handed). Apart from that though, now most of the problems seem to be ironed out, I like it. 'cept for the inevitable ammunition issue. I've fired 7.62 a fair bit and I am pretty amazed that anyone did anything with that while in "Automatic" mode... it was bad enough on single shot (and it had the side-effect of me mis-calling misfires when I went back to .22 for the BSSRA season... "misfire... oh wait I just didn't feel it").
A few years ago I was reading in one of the gun magazines at my local shooting range (well, actually, it was at school) about 6.5mm and how it made a good inexpensive and light halfway-house between 5.56 and 7.62, so it's good to see it mentioned in that pdf article linked up above.
A few years ago I was reading in one of the gun magazines at my local shooting range (well, actually, it was at school) about 6.5mm and how it made a good inexpensive and light halfway-house between 5.56 and 7.62, so it's good to see it mentioned in that pdf article linked up above.
Toni896 said:
Give us the L85A2 chambered to a 6-6.5mm rd ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.8_mm_Remington_SPCBasically the Problems quoted had already been noted by the US Army when the M16/AR18 came into service. In Vietnam the inability of the 5.56mm round to penetrate Bush cover was a problem that was flagged up fairly early on. As was the unreliability of the M16/AR18, hence when the SA80 was designed around the AR18 it was never going to be as reliable as it should have been. The major flaws in the 5.56mm come from making assumptions as to what type of combat it would be deployed in mostly by the US DOD. The same assumptions that the MOD and our current Government keep making with regard to the sort of Army, Navy and Air force we have.
Edited by telecat on Saturday 14th July 11:43
PHuzzy said:
Papa Hotel said:
I was taught that you don't deploy lethal means unless you intend to kill.
Good point, well made! The 5.56mm isn't a non lethal round though is it?So as long as you hit the target then there is going to be one of 2 outcomes, dead or incapacitated, either one will do.
However, incapacitated will draw more enemy into your line of fire by helping the injured target.
Effective? Very!
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