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GetCarter
16,720 posts
148 months
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OlberJ said: If there is no god/afterlife/meaning of life and no judgement outside of the humans around you, why not be a complete bar steward?
What's the worst that could happen? You'd be a complete ar5e. (Or a politician, or even worse a religious zealot)
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R300will
3,603 posts
20 months
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Mermaid said: drab said: Mermaid said: No different to a Golf club, bridge club, train spotters club It's a bit different. There's studies that show the actively religious are genuinely benefiting from it in terms of health and even mortality rates. . Same for active golfers I suppose. Only if they belive that golf will bring them everlasting benefits and not make them look old/fashionably hilarious etc.
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omgus
4,850 posts
44 months
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I just wrote a very long post on mine and my families religious beliefs. Then the internet broke as i posted it. I can sum up my post by saying that myself and my Mother/Father would see that as a funny incident, the rest of the relatives would see it as proof that god had stopped me posting. The short version on me. At 9 decided that the Norse and the Greeks had a much more entertaining set of Gods.  At 13 decided i didn't believe in any of it. At 22 after a couple of big life threatening events i ended up with a personal moral/spiritual code. The closest description being it's vaguely like Buddhisms belief in Karma but it's more created from my moral compass and how i act towards others than for the good of my immortal soul.
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drivin_me_nuts
13,756 posts
80 months
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TheHeretic said: Mermaid said: Same for active golfers I suppose. Give a child their special teddy, and they will be soothed, feel better, and be happier. The teddy has no special powers of properties. Teddy doesn't. In what the teddy brings to the child's life, then teddy does indeed have special powers. OK, child like example, but it is certainly the case that the power of belief can (sorry about this..) move mountains.
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TheHeretic
67,933 posts
124 months
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drivin_me_nuts said: Teddy doesn't. In what the teddy brings to the child's life, then teddy does indeed have special powers. OK, child like example, but it is certainly the case that the power of belief can (sorry about this..) move mountains. Precisely... A placebo.  Belief in the power of Ted can do wonders, (the medicinal benefits of placebos are well studied, even if people know they are a placebo), depitemthemTed having no power whatsoever, except in the mind of the person. @Olber... Is the only reason you do not live life as a complete barsteward 'god'? What an odd stance? Of it wasn't for God in your life, what would you be like?
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OlberJ
11,957 posts
102 months
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TheHeretic said: @Olber... Is the only reason you do not live life as a complete barsteward 'god'? What an odd stance? Of it wasn't for God in your life, what would you be like? No, i was simply throwing the idea out there. I live my life as a good person because it makes things easier and i get more back out of it. If being a bar steward meant i got everything i wanted, i'd do it in a flash.
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TheHeretic
67,933 posts
124 months
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OlberJ said: No, i was simply throwing the idea out there.
I live my life as a good person because it makes things easier and i get more back out of it.
If being a bar steward meant i got everything i wanted, i'd do it in a flash. Even if you believed in God?
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,043 posts
19 months
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drivin_me_nuts said: the power of belief can move mountains. Yeah..that and plate tectonics
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TheHeretic
67,933 posts
124 months
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TwigtheWonderkid said: drivin_me_nuts said: the power of belief can move mountains. Yeah..that and plate tectonics I've yet to see belief move anything!
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GetCarter
16,720 posts
148 months
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TheHeretic said: I've yet to see belief move anything! Except the poor and the vulnerable to give their money away. Belief and religion will exploit that all day long.
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OlberJ
11,957 posts
102 months
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TheHeretic said: Even if you believed in God? If i did? Aye, bring him on!
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TheHeretic
67,933 posts
124 months
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OlberJ said: TheHeretic said: Even if you believed in God? If i did? Aye, bring him on! So we can assume God has little to do with morality. Glad we sorted that out. Onto the next world crisis.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,043 posts
19 months
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How did the Israelites ever survive long enough as a society to collect the 10 commandments, if they were murdering each other and stealing of each other, knocking off each others wives etc etc.
They must have had some morality and rules of coexistance in order to stick together prior to the tablets of stone telling them how to behhave.
(not that I give any credance to the 10 commandments myth, but just as a point to those that do).
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OlberJ
11,957 posts
102 months
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It was pure Anarchy, we lived like animals.
Alpha males got everything and the rest faught over the scraps.
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TheHeretic
67,933 posts
124 months
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OlberJ said: It was pure Anarchy, we lived like animals.
Alpha males got everything and the rest faught over the scraps. Whereas directly after receiving said tablets of goodness,mthey proceeded to commit genocide. Which was nice.
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mattnunn
4,101 posts
30 months
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Should we examine some of humanities attempts to create cultural paradigms that excluded God from civil society?
You want the truth, you can't handle the truth.
You speak of religion leading humans to genocide and yet you know what happens whne God leaves society.
This monkey is going to heaven.
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TheHeretic
67,933 posts
124 months
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Yay, full circle with Matt! We've been through this, and lo and behold, still no answer from you for the questions I posed to you many, many moons ago. Find the logical link. Go ahead. I'll wait.
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omgus
4,850 posts
44 months
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mattnunn said: Should we examine some of humanities attempts to create cultural paradigms that excluded God from civil society? To be fair if you examine anything Humanity does it tends to lead to war, we are not a very peaceful race. It is just the irony of killing people over whose version of love thy neighbour is better. mattnunn said: You speak of religion leading humans to genocide and yet you know what happens whne God leaves society. Someone takes his chair? And which God? Before i can answer what the effects of the one true God leaving society would be we would have to decide on a God and stop fighting over whose version of love thy neighbour is better. mattnunn said: This monkey is going to heaven. Bless, i respect your ability to believe that, i just find the idea unbelievable myself.
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TheHeretic
67,933 posts
124 months
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No-one knows what he believes. He's not religious, and he says he is agnostic, yet he thinks he will go to heaven... Who knows.
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OlberJ
11,957 posts
102 months
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By Heaven do you mean the place they used to hold the old Raves?
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