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Tony Angelino said:
Speaking of cleaning, I have a pair of tan barker brogues that I have neglected a touch over the months and they have a sort of black streak/stain in places, mainly on the crease in front of the toes. Can't get pics at the moment but any ideas what could get rid ?
Thanks
I think a pic would be helpful. I'm struggling to imagine what could cause a streak unless they have been submerged (which I assume they haven't).Thanks
Worst case scenario would be darkening and blending the affected area and using the streak(s) as a foundation for a "patina".
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Well(ies)
If we are talking maintenance - I've a lowly non-Cotswold-weekend-retreat pair of Toggi leather wellies. They are always good for a quick walk out with the dog in the cold with thin work socks to keep the feet warm.
Treated every now and again, I think the leather is still waterproof, but the 'welt' (is it ?) the joint between the leather and the sole must be letting in water. I've tried smothering with dubbin type products, without joy.
What next? Some hardy bush people say use 'Toilet ring wax' ? ? what's that? And leave in front of the fire.
Alternatives?
Toggi don't repair, and I'm loathed to a) throw out, b) make a pair as patina'd and comfortable - never mind the costs.
Those are very nice and utilitarian and I too would be loathed to throw them out.If we are talking maintenance - I've a lowly non-Cotswold-weekend-retreat pair of Toggi leather wellies. They are always good for a quick walk out with the dog in the cold with thin work socks to keep the feet warm.
Treated every now and again, I think the leather is still waterproof, but the 'welt' (is it ?) the joint between the leather and the sole must be letting in water. I've tried smothering with dubbin type products, without joy.
What next? Some hardy bush people say use 'Toilet ring wax' ? ? what's that? And leave in front of the fire.
Alternatives?
Toggi don't repair, and I'm loathed to a) throw out, b) make a pair as patina'd and comfortable - never mind the costs.
They are not welted and the stitching may even be entirely cosmetic - it's hard to tell but I would expect the soles are bonded to the uppers. The seal between the rubber and the leather is the issue and no product I am aware of will remedy that issue, no amount of wax or dubbin will provide a watertight seal.
My advice would be to use them for merely damp days rather than full on saturation. Leather has its limitations and one of them is the requirement of seams which is always a weakness (from water ingress). A moulded rubber one piece wellington will always be superior from a weatherproof aspect though will never develop the character of leather.
Leather has its place and for all but the most extreme weather would still be my preference.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Halb said:
I think I will just take your word for that There's no independent scientific fact behind them being better at all. It's all just marketing ste.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Bugger.
I do have a couple of rubber Aigle Wellies I also tramp about it - although too loose fitting in comparison not my snug cosy Toggi's for quick donning.
They (the Toggi's) always used to hold up to wet fields, but less so now
Not even worth "something" round the joint between leather and sole ?
The fact they were watertight when new suggests to me that the rubber has lost its moisture and has consequently shrunk meaning it has drifted apart from the leather.I do have a couple of rubber Aigle Wellies I also tramp about it - although too loose fitting in comparison not my snug cosy Toggi's for quick donning.
They (the Toggi's) always used to hold up to wet fields, but less so now
Not even worth "something" round the joint between leather and sole ?
I can't think of a shoe product that would assist. Maybe something more industrial would be in order though I can't think what.
Maybe a snugger pair of rubber Aigles for full on wet conditions and reserve your leather wellies for less extreme conditions?
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
First time PH has failed me !
Cheers
There is something that might help, though I think you may have to strip the old wax and waterproofing off as best you can first, then use it as a filler / sealant.Cheers
Shoe Goo
I have seen it hold the back window of a Chimaera in place, and keep it water tight, for a few months during winter when the stitching failed.
They are not a thing of beauty your boots, but love is after all blind, is it not?
InductionRoar said:
My advice would be to use them for merely damp days rather than full on saturation. Leather has its limitations and one of them is the requirement of seams which is always a weakness (from water ingress). A moulded rubber one piece wellington will always be superior from a weatherproof aspect though will never develop the character of leather.
Leather has its place and for all but the most extreme weather would still be my preference.
Veldtschoen construction is the key.Leather has its place and for all but the most extreme weather would still be my preference.
Rich_W said:
I wouldn't
There's no independent scientific fact behind them being better at all. It's all just marketing ste.
Well that's your choice, but let's look at what I said.There's no independent scientific fact behind them being better at all. It's all just marketing ste.
I claimed they cannot be beaten for health, comfort and deadlifts.
Comfort, yes, they are the most comfortable footwear I own or can remember owning.
For deadlifts, yes, due to the mechanics of deadlfts, and the decades I've spent doing the exercise, they are easily the best choice of footwear.
Leaving health. VFFs allow a human to walk as we have evolved to over millions of years. So as to health, yes they are good for foot health too.
SO you you I say bks.
article said:
Minimalism
Studies have suggested that some running injuries can occur as a result of the significant arch support and cushioning found in "traditional" running shoes. As a result, a growing number of runners train and race exclusively in racing flats, other minimalist shoes, or barefoot. This is known as minimalism. It is also useful to improve the muscles and the running technique.
Studies have suggested that some running injuries can occur as a result of the significant arch support and cushioning found in "traditional" running shoes. As a result, a growing number of runners train and race exclusively in racing flats, other minimalist shoes, or barefoot. This is known as minimalism. It is also useful to improve the muscles and the running technique.
Sounds like rubbish to me.
Are you sure that's not based on the same 'science' that things like Paleo diets are based on?
I don't know about anyone else but I've evolved somewhat from my primitive ancestor so a bellyful of raw meat and some grains doesn't really cut it for me. Likewise, we've been wearing shoes for aaaaages now and I'm pretty certain we've got quite good at it.
Are you sure that's not based on the same 'science' that things like Paleo diets are based on?
I don't know about anyone else but I've evolved somewhat from my primitive ancestor so a bellyful of raw meat and some grains doesn't really cut it for me. Likewise, we've been wearing shoes for aaaaages now and I'm pretty certain we've got quite good at it.
Disastrous said:
Sounds like rubbish to me.
Are you sure that's not based on the same 'science' that things like Paleo diets are based on?
I don't know about anyone else but I've evolved somewhat from my primitive ancestor so a bellyful of raw meat and some grains doesn't really cut it for me. Likewise, we've been wearing shoes for aaaaages now and I'm pretty certain we've got quite good at it.
What sounds like rubbish? Evolution? Deadlft technique? My comfort?Are you sure that's not based on the same 'science' that things like Paleo diets are based on?
I don't know about anyone else but I've evolved somewhat from my primitive ancestor so a bellyful of raw meat and some grains doesn't really cut it for me. Likewise, we've been wearing shoes for aaaaages now and I'm pretty certain we've got quite good at it.
Disastrous said:
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I don't know about anyone else but I've evolved somewhat from my primitive ancestor so a bellyful of raw meat and some grains doesn't really cut it for me. Likewise, we've been wearing shoes for aaaaages now and I'm pretty certain we've got quite good at it.
I do not think that, in evolutionary terms, we have been wearing shoes with supporting arches and cushioned heals for so long as to have had such an effect.I don't know about anyone else but I've evolved somewhat from my primitive ancestor so a bellyful of raw meat and some grains doesn't really cut it for me. Likewise, we've been wearing shoes for aaaaages now and I'm pretty certain we've got quite good at it.
As for what one may now consume, when compared to even our recent ancestors, I would suggest that it is more a case of choice than evolution. The majority of people, until quite recent history, that could not subsist on a diet of bread and milk either died quite young or lived a fairly miserable existence of a deeply disturbed digestive tract.
As for the footwear in question, I will argue neither for or against on their utilitarian benefits, but in point of style; I think they speak loudly enough for themselves
13m said:
Authentic hand made quirkiness or just sloppy workmanship?
They aren't hand made so unfortunately the latter. The off centred branding on the insoles is neither here nor there but the sole edging is another matter. Is the welt stitching the same distance from the upper on both pairs?
InductionRoar said:
13m said:
Authentic hand made quirkiness or just sloppy workmanship?
They aren't hand made so unfortunately the latter. The off centred branding on the insoles is neither here nor there but the sole edging is another matter. Is the welt stitching the same distance from the upper on both pairs?
Of all the shoe makers on Jermyn St, C&J had the most pleasant service. But I thought the quality left something to be desired.
Edited for speeling.
Edited by 13m on Tuesday 1st November 21:49
Halb said:
What sounds like rubbish? Evolution? Deadlft technique? My comfort?
I've no idea of your deadlift or how comfortable they are for you. I deadlift just the same in any shoes at all but totally appreciate you may not so wear what you like.What I think is bks is the marketing ste around them being 'good' for you.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.runnersworld.com/...
Disastrous said:
I've no idea of your deadlift or how comfortable they are for you. I deadlift just the same in any shoes at all but totally appreciate you may not so wear what you like.
What I think is bks is the marketing ste around them being 'good' for you.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.runnersworld.com/...
I have good technique and numbers that I am happy with. I have deadlifted in many types of footwear, I sometimes use my OL shoes, I sometimes use my VFFs. For max numbers it would have to be VFFs, it depends what the goal is. Mechanically they are the best anyway. Footwear does have an effect.What I think is bks is the marketing ste around them being 'good' for you.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.runnersworld.com/...
Healthwise, VFFs would be amongst the best due to the nature of not artificially increasing one's heal, so it that regards (something I never originally claimed), I can see them being ahead of other footwear.
Halb said:
Disastrous said:
I've no idea of your deadlift or how comfortable they are for you. I deadlift just the same in any shoes at all but totally appreciate you may not so wear what you like.
What I think is bks is the marketing ste around them being 'good' for you.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.runnersworld.com/...
I have good technique and numbers that I am happy with. I have deadlifted in many types of footwear, I sometimes use my OL shoes, I sometimes use my VFFs. For max numbers it would have to be VFFs, it depends what the goal is. Mechanically they are the best anyway. Footwear does have an effect.What I think is bks is the marketing ste around them being 'good' for you.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.runnersworld.com/...
Healthwise, VFFs would be amongst the best due to the nature of not artificially increasing one's heal, so it that regards (something I never originally claimed), I can see them being ahead of other footwear.
I'd try the others but think I'd look like the alien from Dark Star
HD Adam said:
I deadlift in Converse All Stars which are a bit too trendy for an old git like me but they have a nice flat non-squishy sole and get the job done.
I'd try the others but think I'd look like the alien from Dark Star
I have a pair of footwear which are basically converse/plimsoll but some other make. They were once my max number numbers (for deads), but they have no grip. They don't get used now, I might try and use them as slippers, or put them in the shoe bank.I'd try the others but think I'd look like the alien from Dark Star
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