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InductionRoar

2,001 posts

131 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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Tony Angelino said:
Speaking of cleaning, I have a pair of tan barker brogues that I have neglected a touch over the months and they have a sort of black streak/stain in places, mainly on the crease in front of the toes. Can't get pics at the moment but any ideas what could get rid ?

Thanks
I think a pic would be helpful. I'm struggling to imagine what could cause a streak unless they have been submerged (which I assume they haven't).

Worst case scenario would be darkening and blending the affected area and using the streak(s) as a foundation for a "patina".


InductionRoar

2,001 posts

131 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Well(ies)

If we are talking maintenance - I've a lowly non-Cotswold-weekend-retreat pair of Toggi leather wellies. They are always good for a quick walk out with the dog in the cold with thin work socks to keep the feet warm.





Treated every now and again, I think the leather is still waterproof, but the 'welt' (is it ?) the joint between the leather and the sole must be letting in water. I've tried smothering with dubbin type products, without joy.





What next? Some hardy bush people say use 'Toilet ring wax' ? ? what's that? And leave in front of the fire.
Alternatives?

Toggi don't repair, and I'm loathed to a) throw out, b) make a pair as patina'd and comfortable - never mind the costs.
Those are very nice and utilitarian and I too would be loathed to throw them out.

They are not welted and the stitching may even be entirely cosmetic - it's hard to tell but I would expect the soles are bonded to the uppers. The seal between the rubber and the leather is the issue and no product I am aware of will remedy that issue, no amount of wax or dubbin will provide a watertight seal.

My advice would be to use them for merely damp days rather than full on saturation. Leather has its limitations and one of them is the requirement of seams which is always a weakness (from water ingress). A moulded rubber one piece wellington will always be superior from a weatherproof aspect though will never develop the character of leather.

Leather has its place and for all but the most extreme weather would still be my preference.

Rich_W

12,548 posts

211 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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Goaty Bill 2 said:
Halb said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Halb said:

Had my old VFFs out for a blast this week. biggrin
rofl
For health, comfort and deadlifts, they cannot be beaten!
I think I will just take your word for that hehe
I wouldn't

There's no independent scientific fact behind them being better at all. It's all just marketing ste. laugh

InductionRoar

2,001 posts

131 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Bugger.

I do have a couple of rubber Aigle Wellies I also tramp about it - although too loose fitting in comparison not my snug cosy Toggi's for quick donning.
They (the Toggi's) always used to hold up to wet fields, but less so now frown
Not even worth "something" round the joint between leather and sole ?
The fact they were watertight when new suggests to me that the rubber has lost its moisture and has consequently shrunk meaning it has drifted apart from the leather.

I can't think of a shoe product that would assist. Maybe something more industrial would be in order though I can't think what.

Maybe a snugger pair of rubber Aigles for full on wet conditions and reserve your leather wellies for less extreme conditions?

Goaty Bill 2

3,393 posts

118 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
First time PH has failed me biggrin !


Cheers wink
There is something that might help, though I think you may have to strip the old wax and waterproofing off as best you can first, then use it as a filler / sealant.

Shoe Goo

I have seen it hold the back window of a Chimaera in place, and keep it water tight, for a few months during winter when the stitching failed.

They are not a thing of beauty your boots, but love is after all blind, is it not? smile


Fittster

20,120 posts

212 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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InductionRoar said:
My advice would be to use them for merely damp days rather than full on saturation. Leather has its limitations and one of them is the requirement of seams which is always a weakness (from water ingress). A moulded rubber one piece wellington will always be superior from a weatherproof aspect though will never develop the character of leather.

Leather has its place and for all but the most extreme weather would still be my preference.
Veldtschoen construction is the key.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Rich_W said:
I wouldn't

There's no independent scientific fact behind them being better at all. It's all just marketing ste. laugh
Well that's your choice, but let's look at what I said.

I claimed they cannot be beaten for health, comfort and deadlifts.

Comfort, yes, they are the most comfortable footwear I own or can remember owning. biggrin
For deadlifts, yes, due to the mechanics of deadlfts, and the decades I've spent doing the exercise, they are easily the best choice of footwear. biggrin
Leaving health. VFFs allow a human to walk as we have evolved to over millions of years. So as to health, yes they are good for foot health too. biggrin
SO you you I say bks. biggrin
article said:
Minimalism
Studies have suggested that some running injuries can occur as a result of the significant arch support and cushioning found in "traditional" running shoes. As a result, a growing number of runners train and race exclusively in racing flats, other minimalist shoes, or barefoot. This is known as minimalism. It is also useful to improve the muscles and the running technique.

Disastrous

10,072 posts

216 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Sounds like rubbish to me.

Are you sure that's not based on the same 'science' that things like Paleo diets are based on?

I don't know about anyone else but I've evolved somewhat from my primitive ancestor so a bellyful of raw meat and some grains doesn't really cut it for me. Likewise, we've been wearing shoes for aaaaages now and I'm pretty certain we've got quite good at it.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Disastrous said:
Sounds like rubbish to me.

Are you sure that's not based on the same 'science' that things like Paleo diets are based on?

I don't know about anyone else but I've evolved somewhat from my primitive ancestor so a bellyful of raw meat and some grains doesn't really cut it for me. Likewise, we've been wearing shoes for aaaaages now and I'm pretty certain we've got quite good at it.
What sounds like rubbish? Evolution? Deadlft technique? My comfort?

Goaty Bill 2

3,393 posts

118 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Disastrous said:
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I don't know about anyone else but I've evolved somewhat from my primitive ancestor so a bellyful of raw meat and some grains doesn't really cut it for me. Likewise, we've been wearing shoes for aaaaages now and I'm pretty certain we've got quite good at it.
I do not think that, in evolutionary terms, we have been wearing shoes with supporting arches and cushioned heals for so long as to have had such an effect.

As for what one may now consume, when compared to even our recent ancestors, I would suggest that it is more a case of choice than evolution. The majority of people, until quite recent history, that could not subsist on a diet of bread and milk either died quite young or lived a fairly miserable existence of a deeply disturbed digestive tract.

As for the footwear in question, I will argue neither for or against on their utilitarian benefits, but in point of style; I think they speak loudly enough for themselves smile


Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Goaty Bill 2 said:
As for the footwear in question, I will argue neither for or against on their utilitarian benefits, but in point of style; I think they speak loudly enough for themselves smile
Well yes, they are rather marvellous. smile

Goaty Bill 2

3,393 posts

118 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Halb said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
As for the footwear in question, I will argue neither for or against on their utilitarian benefits, but in point of style; I think they speak loudly enough for themselves smile
Well yes, they are rather marvellous. smile
One does indeed marvel...


13m

26,271 posts

221 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Not actually my new shoes, but some Crockett and Jones Norwich derbys I tried on last week.

Look at the front of the sole on the left shoe. Wonky. Also the company logo was crooked on the insole of just about every pair I tried .

Authentic hand made quirkiness or just sloppy workmanship?


whoami

13,151 posts

239 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Mmm.

Quirky or otherwise, that would annoy me too much to buy them.

InductionRoar

2,001 posts

131 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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13m said:
Authentic hand made quirkiness or just sloppy workmanship?
They aren't hand made so unfortunately the latter.

The off centred branding on the insoles is neither here nor there but the sole edging is another matter. Is the welt stitching the same distance from the upper on both pairs?

13m

26,271 posts

221 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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InductionRoar said:
13m said:
Authentic hand made quirkiness or just sloppy workmanship?
They aren't hand made so unfortunately the latter.

The off centred branding on the insoles is neither here nor there but the sole edging is another matter. Is the welt stitching the same distance from the upper on both pairs?
Yes as I recall. It just looked like the sole hadn't been shaped off correctly at the end leaving too much sole protruding forwards.

Of all the shoe makers on Jermyn St, C&J had the most pleasant service. But I thought the quality left something to be desired.

Edited for speeling.



Edited by 13m on Tuesday 1st November 21:49

Disastrous

10,072 posts

216 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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Halb said:
What sounds like rubbish? Evolution? Deadlft technique? My comfort?
I've no idea of your deadlift or how comfortable they are for you. I deadlift just the same in any shoes at all but totally appreciate you may not so wear what you like.

What I think is bks is the marketing ste around them being 'good' for you.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.runnersworld.com/...

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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Disastrous said:
I've no idea of your deadlift or how comfortable they are for you. I deadlift just the same in any shoes at all but totally appreciate you may not so wear what you like.

What I think is bks is the marketing ste around them being 'good' for you.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.runnersworld.com/...
I have good technique and numbers that I am happy with. I have deadlifted in many types of footwear, I sometimes use my OL shoes, I sometimes use my VFFs. For max numbers it would have to be VFFs, it depends what the goal is. Mechanically they are the best anyway. Footwear does have an effect.

Healthwise, VFFs would be amongst the best due to the nature of not artificially increasing one's heal, so it that regards (something I never originally claimed), I can see them being ahead of other footwear.

HD Adam

5,144 posts

183 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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Halb said:
Disastrous said:
I've no idea of your deadlift or how comfortable they are for you. I deadlift just the same in any shoes at all but totally appreciate you may not so wear what you like.

What I think is bks is the marketing ste around them being 'good' for you.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.runnersworld.com/...
I have good technique and numbers that I am happy with. I have deadlifted in many types of footwear, I sometimes use my OL shoes, I sometimes use my VFFs. For max numbers it would have to be VFFs, it depends what the goal is. Mechanically they are the best anyway. Footwear does have an effect.

Healthwise, VFFs would be amongst the best due to the nature of not artificially increasing one's heal, so it that regards (something I never originally claimed), I can see them being ahead of other footwear.
I deadlift in Converse All Stars which are a bit too trendy for an old git like me but they have a nice flat non-squishy sole and get the job done.

I'd try the others but think I'd look like the alien from Dark Star



Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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HD Adam said:
I deadlift in Converse All Stars which are a bit too trendy for an old git like me but they have a nice flat non-squishy sole and get the job done.

I'd try the others but think I'd look like the alien from Dark Star

I have a pair of footwear which are basically converse/plimsoll but some other make. They were once my max number numbers (for deads), but they have no grip. They don't get used now, I might try and use them as slippers, or put them in the shoe bank.
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