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GG89
1,481 posts
55 months
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100% athiest. I look at religious nutters in the same light as any other conspiracy theorists believing in the royal family being humanoid lizards forming part of the NWO.
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SkinnyBoy
4,281 posts
127 months
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100% atheist and proud of it.
Although I have an interest in Ancient Astronaut theory re: our origins.
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Einion Yrth
10,402 posts
113 months
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SkinnyBoy said: Although I have an interest in Ancient Astronaut theory re: our origins. No more credible than "goddidit" to my mind.
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standards
297 posts
87 months
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Am I missing some in joke with the continual misspelling of the word atheist? 
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SkinnyBoy
4,281 posts
127 months
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Einion Yrth said: No more credible than "goddidit" to my mind. Totally agree, but its more fun to think that we got a leg up from ET, than some smiting bearded b  d who is jealous of a bit of competition hehe
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0000
9,322 posts
60 months
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TheHeretic said: There is no line between agnostic, and atheist, (or agnostic and religious for that matter).
There are essentially 4 states of belief.
Gnostic Theist - Someone who knows there is a God/s and believes in them. Agnostic theist - Someone who does not know if there is a God, but believes anyway. Agnostic atheist - Someone who does not know if there is a God, but does not believe. Gnostic atheist - Someone who knows there is no God, and does not believe. What about someone who doesn't know and doesn't know what to believe? The idea of differentiating between two people (your Gnostic theist and Agnostic theist) who both believe in a God where one of them knows there is a God and one doesn't seems a bit... religious.
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Bill
26,502 posts
124 months
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standards said: Am I missing some in joke with the continual misspelling of the word atheist?  Who ith the biggetht ath? 
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Hugo a Gogo
15,179 posts
102 months
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I believe there is no god, but even if there was one, I wouldn't want to worship it
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durbster
3,048 posts
91 months
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I went to a church wedding at the weekend. During the prayers I had a scan round the room to see how many were either praying (or pretending to out of respect). Out of a room of about 100 people I could only see three or four with their eyes closed and head bowed (not including the obvious ones  ). I found it very surprising because I expected most people to at least pretend like we used to school but the majority of the room were simply standing and waiting for the next bit. We also sang 'All Things Bright and Beautiful'. Those lyrics are a prime example of how manipulative religion is. Each little flower that opensEach little bird that singsHe made their glowing coloursHe made their tiny wingFor some reason this verse didn't make the cut: Each brain-eating parasiteEach malaria infested mosquitoHe designed them to eat other creatures from the insideHe made them spread disease and kill millionsThe Lord God made them all...
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Use Psychology
9,797 posts
61 months
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0000 said: What about someone who doesn't know and doesn't know what to believe?
The idea of differentiating between two people (your Gnostic theist and Agnostic theist) who both believe in a God where one of them knows there is a God and one doesn't seems a bit... religious. it's not religious, it's logical. perhaps if you thought of it as two categories of people: those who think it's possible to know there is a god, and those who think you can't know. These categories also apply to people who don't believe in god: those who think you can't know and those you think you can know. to be honest I think it's ridiculous to claim that you can know there is no god.
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0000
9,322 posts
60 months
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Use Psychology said: perhaps if you thought of it as two categories of people: those who think it's possible to know there is a god, and those who think you can't know I thought the whole premise was one of faith, even for the most committed. Isn't knowing that there is a God, short of him actually turning up at some point, beyond what can reasonably be considered logical? Much as you contend to know that there isn't a God is, although I'd argue it was marginally more reasonable to assert something you have no evidence for doesn't exist than something which you have no evidence for does exist.
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TheHeretic
68,165 posts
124 months
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Bill said: IMO your wiki definition contradicts you. Atheism isn't disbelief, it's lack of belief, specifically (as per wiki) the rejection of belief as a considered position. An agnostic, in common parlance, is the middle "maybe/maybe not" ground and isn't as pedantic a definition as you use.
The default position, in the absence of credible evidence to the contrary, is that there is/are no god(s).
IMO. Disbelief, lack of belief. Arguing the utter, utter minute details. You know precisely what I mean when I say it is 'without God'. This is all aside of the issue where people seem to think that you have theists, agnostics, and atheists, all with fine lines. They can cross, and it seems very daft to think otherwise.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,089 posts
19 months
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durbster said: For some reason this verse didn't make the cut: Each brain-eating parasite Each malaria infested mosquito He designed them to eat other creatures from the inside He made them spread disease and kill millions
The Lord God made them all... Not suprised, it doesn't even rhyme. All things dull and ugly, All creatures short and squat, All things rude and nasty, The Lord God made the lot. Each little snake that poisons, Each little wasp that stings, He made their brutish venom. He made their horrid wings. All things sick and cancerous, All evil great and small, All things foul and dangerous, The Lord God made them all. Each nasty little hornet, Each beastly little squid-- Who made the spikey urchin? Who made the sharks? He did! All things scabbed and ulcerous, All pox both great and small, Putrid, foul and gangrenous, The Lord God made them all.
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ewenm
24,467 posts
114 months
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(c) Monty Python of course 
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kambites
32,864 posts
90 months
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I'm an atheist-leaning agnostic. I strongly suspect that there isn't a god, but I see no way to be certain.
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Isaac Hunt
6,776 posts
80 months
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None of the above really.
I had a very religious childhood - CoE. But I would say that I am probably more in the agnostic camp in that I am not sure, but one day, when I have time, I will do some proper research and then maybe make up my mind.
I went to school when religious education was just about studying the bible - no education on other religions - so maybe there is a religion out there that is better suited to what I might believe - whatever that is.
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Bill
26,502 posts
124 months
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TheHeretic said: Disbelief, lack of belief. Arguing the utter, utter minute details. You know precisely what I mean when I say it is 'without God'. If you're going to argue about semantics then you need to be precise. TheHeretic said: This is all aside of the issue where people seem to think that you have theists, agnostics, and atheists, all with fine lines. They can cross, and it seems very daft to think otherwise. If you view it as a continuum "Believe-unsure-don't believe" it makes sense. Believe and don't believe are absolutes, with the uncertain middle ground erring whichever way they feel.
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durbster
3,048 posts
91 months
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Isaac Hunt said: I went to school when religious education was just about studying the bible - no education on other religions - so maybe there is a religion out there that is better suited to what I might believe - whatever that is. That's fair enough. When I was in Thailand I read through 'The Teachings of Buddha'. There's some interesting stuff in there but it wasn't as compelling as I suspected it would be. As with all religions the main theme is just to be a nice person. Unfortunately I didn't quite finish it so don't know how it ends 
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,089 posts
19 months
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kambites said: I'm an atheist-leaning agnostic. I strongly suspect that there isn't a god, but I see no way to be certain. There's a tribe in Africa that believes the Earth is the excriment of a giant ant god. There is no way of proving it isn't true. That doesn't mean you have to give it an ounce of credance. It's just a load of tripe made up to provide an answer to questions that we can't answer. Just like Christianity, Islam, Judeaism and all the other claptrap out there.
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TheHeretic
68,165 posts
124 months
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Bill said: TheHeretic said: Disbelief, lack of belief. Arguing the utter, utter minute details. You know precisely what I mean when I say it is 'without God'. If you're going to argue about semantics then you need to be precise. TheHeretic said: This is all aside of the issue where people seem to think that you have theists, agnostics, and atheists, all with fine lines. They can cross, and it seems very daft to think otherwise. If you view it as a continuum "Believe-unsure-don't believe" it makes sense. Believe and don't believe are absolutes, with the uncertain middle ground erring whichever way they feel. I wasn't arguing semantics. It is basic definition I was taking issue with, in the OP, the choice, and how some people seemed to choose. You either believe, or you do not, even if that belief is small or unsure, any belief in a deity, etc, is belief. There really isn't an area between belief, and non-belief. Uncertainty doesn't really come into it. These are absolutes.
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