The POKER thread
Discussion
Find some of the remarks in this thread very interesting.
I've been playing on Zynga, points only and almost exclusively tournament style, for a couple of years. I do quite well - almost always pick up a placing. So I figure I know how to play, I get decent reads on people (not all the time, clearly). I don't memorise the statistics, but I tend to work out what hands there could be out there to beat me and see how likely it is.
What would I find different about cash online play, or live? No poker nights in pubs near me, and Aspers at Westfield might be an expensive place to start (even if one could persuade the wife).
I've been playing on Zynga, points only and almost exclusively tournament style, for a couple of years. I do quite well - almost always pick up a placing. So I figure I know how to play, I get decent reads on people (not all the time, clearly). I don't memorise the statistics, but I tend to work out what hands there could be out there to beat me and see how likely it is.
What would I find different about cash online play, or live? No poker nights in pubs near me, and Aspers at Westfield might be an expensive place to start (even if one could persuade the wife).
Sir Bagalot said:
Last games were here, here and here. Poor turnout and by one of the threads only 5 people turned up to one game
I'd be up for this again, but as said above the turnout was quite poor tbh. If someone does organise a game post up in here as a new thread would sink quite quickly onto page 2 and beyond.How are people's weeks going?
I've had a shocking start, so decided to reduce the stakes that I'm playing at as I'm just not playing consistently enough with the basic poker for the level. I think I'm being overly aggressive and this is being picked up when people sniff they have a reasonable hand against me.
Also started using a tracking application, which is pretty awesome. If anyone wants to check it out, let me know. It's not as extensive as PT or HEM and in beta, but it is free so perfect for people looking to get back into the game. Supports PokerStars for a start, which was a massive bonus for me! PM me and I'll link it - don't want to break any advertising rules.
Since using the software, I've called that my clean start and not depositing any more cash into my account unless I go broke. Currently up, so happy with that and may it long continue!
I've had a shocking start, so decided to reduce the stakes that I'm playing at as I'm just not playing consistently enough with the basic poker for the level. I think I'm being overly aggressive and this is being picked up when people sniff they have a reasonable hand against me.
Also started using a tracking application, which is pretty awesome. If anyone wants to check it out, let me know. It's not as extensive as PT or HEM and in beta, but it is free so perfect for people looking to get back into the game. Supports PokerStars for a start, which was a massive bonus for me! PM me and I'll link it - don't want to break any advertising rules.
Since using the software, I've called that my clean start and not depositing any more cash into my account unless I go broke. Currently up, so happy with that and may it long continue!
MrAdaam said:
How are people's weeks going?
I've had a shocking start, so decided to reduce the stakes that I'm playing at as I'm just not playing consistently enough with the basic poker for the level. I think I'm being overly aggressive and this is being picked up when people sniff they have a reasonable hand against me.
Also started using a tracking application, which is pretty awesome. If anyone wants to check it out, let me know. It's not as extensive as PT or HEM and in beta, but it is free so perfect for people looking to get back into the game. Supports PokerStars for a start, which was a massive bonus for me! PM me and I'll link it - don't want to break any advertising rules.
Since using the software, I've called that my clean start and not depositing any more cash into my account unless I go broke. Currently up, so happy with that and may it long continue!
I've never heard of Poker software before this thread, Is it really that much of a help and what does it do? calculate percentages etc? I've had a shocking start, so decided to reduce the stakes that I'm playing at as I'm just not playing consistently enough with the basic poker for the level. I think I'm being overly aggressive and this is being picked up when people sniff they have a reasonable hand against me.
Also started using a tracking application, which is pretty awesome. If anyone wants to check it out, let me know. It's not as extensive as PT or HEM and in beta, but it is free so perfect for people looking to get back into the game. Supports PokerStars for a start, which was a massive bonus for me! PM me and I'll link it - don't want to break any advertising rules.
Since using the software, I've called that my clean start and not depositing any more cash into my account unless I go broke. Currently up, so happy with that and may it long continue!
Was playing in a poker stars tourney this evening and doing pretty good. Moved up from table 350 to 26 while increasing my in game chips fro,m £3000 to £14000. All was going well until I had togo to my parents house for tea so ended up going all in to leave the game. Finished 608th out of 5600 not too shabby but could of gone much further if I had the time 
I've been on the low stakes cash tables on sky tonight.
I'm up about £2 (£5 deposit) after all sorts of tournaments and cash games this week.
Quite happy with that.
Seen some really bizarre calls tonight. Saw a 2 way all in £7 pot(2/4p table!) called with a pair queens vs a full house. It was so obvious it was pain full to watch!.
Re: software, I think I'll just stick to 'good hand/ bad hand' thinking in my head!
I'm up about £2 (£5 deposit) after all sorts of tournaments and cash games this week.
Quite happy with that.
Seen some really bizarre calls tonight. Saw a 2 way all in £7 pot(2/4p table!) called with a pair queens vs a full house. It was so obvious it was pain full to watch!.
Re: software, I think I'll just stick to 'good hand/ bad hand' thinking in my head!
n_const said:
Was playing in a poker stars tourney this evening and doing pretty good. Moved up from table 350 to 26 while increasing my in game chips fro,m £3000 to £14000. All was going well until I had togo to my parents house for tea so ended up going all in to leave the game. Finished 608th out of 5600 not too shabby but could of gone much further if I had the time
You can carry on playing tournies on your phone if you download the app. Just don't forget to close it on your computer
Is anybody aware of what tax implications there might be of having this as a full-time occupation or making any significant amounts of money from it? Initially, I understand this to be 0%, as it's a form of gambling which doesn't attract any tax? Please correct me if I'm wrong...
Oh, and, I won $0.30 in an automatic free roll yesterday on PokerStars - go me!
Oh, and, I won $0.30 in an automatic free roll yesterday on PokerStars - go me!
Check out magic612 videos on YT... Not for the young ones ears and quite an eye opener.
After 4yrs on the ipoker network and doing a lot of research and stats analysis I've decided to call it a day and cancel my membership.
Cashed my points in,just got 600 points to get rid of and have 3 freebie vip tickets to use and will then have to figure out how to loose 3-4hrs a day doing something else to occupy my time.
Oh Oh 4hrs of looking at and talking cars springs to mind
After 4yrs on the ipoker network and doing a lot of research and stats analysis I've decided to call it a day and cancel my membership.
Cashed my points in,just got 600 points to get rid of and have 3 freebie vip tickets to use and will then have to figure out how to loose 3-4hrs a day doing something else to occupy my time.
Oh Oh 4hrs of looking at and talking cars springs to mind
Hello,
I have not been happy with the ipoker network I play on for a long time now and have been keeping stats and it just does not add up.
As to watching Magics videos,think I've watched nearly all of them now it's all the things I see day in day out.
When I check the history of a player that took my Aces,Kings,Ak out with 45 straight,85 flush etc hands at 80% loss rate 95% of the time they have been on a loss streak of the last 5-8 tournaments.
Again if I have been ITM I usually find me being dealt a top hand AA,KK,QQ very early which will go to an all in situation 9/10 times. At times it's from a loose player 4's maybe 78 suited etc they win. Other times I'm on kings all in from jacks or 10's and they hit 3 or flop 8910 then 7 or queen will follow,It's been the same pattern for over 4 years,ITM next game or game after dominated hand falls victim.
Something else that's being going on since day one is being dealt a massive % of suited hands. As said I have been keeping records and in a points game today of 29 hands till I went out with AK to J3d(2pr) I had 20 suited hands and out of those 20 suited hands that got action,flops not one landed,in total I hit one suit out of the table where I would see action to the turn or all the way to the river. Over the years I have seen me be dealt 6-7 even 8 suited hands in a row and guess what... Yep not a single match. These odds are beyond impossible.
I use a deck of cards to randomly deal card situations deal to myself and 5 imaginary friends. Three days ago it took me 18 hands till i got a suited hand and on the board I hit two. Fourteen hands later I get another 24d and hit a flush but would of lost to Q8d
It then was another 22 hands till I got another and hit 2 again. I have done this practice 100's and 100's of times and never ever have I had 6-7-8!!! in a row.
My other reason why it has driven me away is I have lost confidence to BB. I'm running at 96% outs or big losses to big blind. Two poop pair hitting me every time,or flush or sr8's. One of my games today AK OTB 3,800 chips against low stack 560 chips BB. I raise 1k SB folds BB calls 73c.. flop A,10,7 turn 3 river 7 I give up.
As hobbies go it's been cheap,as after over 4 years of play and 4,800 tournaments I'm showing an overhaul loss of £1,230 which has totaled some serious amount of hours of joy,tears,sweat and to be honest fun.
I think if you play micro stakes then it's still very good value for money,but when you read all the negatives on the poker forums or google search it's all a very clever con.
I only recently found out that the owner of the ipoker network was done for previous fraud... Yep it's clever but until they pull the plug on the scam i'm finished with it.
Just one more scenario of what pushed me over the edge to cash in was...
It's the monthly VIP tournament i'm doing well after 1hr 15mins i'm running 9th with 36,000 chips. I'm dealt kk oop and I raise rr 800-2,000 big blind calls and so does previous raise. flop comes ak3 all in comes and I call and so does BB. player A has AQs my kk and BB 33 turn comes Q river comes 3 quads for big blind. I am left with 5,500 chips and two hands later i'm dealt QQ. I'm left with another decision fold or all in from BB 8,500 chips I go for the call and he has A10 . flop 235 turn Ace river 4 just to rub it in a bit more. So from 9th to out with the best hands both just happened to be BB.. Ok it did't cost me anything but these are the things happening every day.
I have not been happy with the ipoker network I play on for a long time now and have been keeping stats and it just does not add up.
As to watching Magics videos,think I've watched nearly all of them now it's all the things I see day in day out.
When I check the history of a player that took my Aces,Kings,Ak out with 45 straight,85 flush etc hands at 80% loss rate 95% of the time they have been on a loss streak of the last 5-8 tournaments.
Again if I have been ITM I usually find me being dealt a top hand AA,KK,QQ very early which will go to an all in situation 9/10 times. At times it's from a loose player 4's maybe 78 suited etc they win. Other times I'm on kings all in from jacks or 10's and they hit 3 or flop 8910 then 7 or queen will follow,It's been the same pattern for over 4 years,ITM next game or game after dominated hand falls victim.
Something else that's being going on since day one is being dealt a massive % of suited hands. As said I have been keeping records and in a points game today of 29 hands till I went out with AK to J3d(2pr) I had 20 suited hands and out of those 20 suited hands that got action,flops not one landed,in total I hit one suit out of the table where I would see action to the turn or all the way to the river. Over the years I have seen me be dealt 6-7 even 8 suited hands in a row and guess what... Yep not a single match. These odds are beyond impossible.
I use a deck of cards to randomly deal card situations deal to myself and 5 imaginary friends. Three days ago it took me 18 hands till i got a suited hand and on the board I hit two. Fourteen hands later I get another 24d and hit a flush but would of lost to Q8d
It then was another 22 hands till I got another and hit 2 again. I have done this practice 100's and 100's of times and never ever have I had 6-7-8!!! in a row. My other reason why it has driven me away is I have lost confidence to BB. I'm running at 96% outs or big losses to big blind. Two poop pair hitting me every time,or flush or sr8's. One of my games today AK OTB 3,800 chips against low stack 560 chips BB. I raise 1k SB folds BB calls 73c.. flop A,10,7 turn 3 river 7
I give up.As hobbies go it's been cheap,as after over 4 years of play and 4,800 tournaments I'm showing an overhaul loss of £1,230 which has totaled some serious amount of hours of joy,tears,sweat and to be honest fun.
I think if you play micro stakes then it's still very good value for money,but when you read all the negatives on the poker forums or google search it's all a very clever con.
I only recently found out that the owner of the ipoker network was done for previous fraud... Yep it's clever but until they pull the plug on the scam i'm finished with it.
Just one more scenario of what pushed me over the edge to cash in was...
It's the monthly VIP tournament i'm doing well after 1hr 15mins i'm running 9th with 36,000 chips. I'm dealt kk oop and I raise rr 800-2,000 big blind calls and so does previous raise. flop comes ak3 all in comes and I call and so does BB. player A has AQs my kk and BB 33 turn comes Q river comes 3 quads for big blind. I am left with 5,500 chips and two hands later i'm dealt QQ. I'm left with another decision fold or all in from BB 8,500 chips I go for the call and he has A10 . flop 235 turn Ace river 4 just to rub it in a bit more. So from 9th to out with the best hands both just happened to be BB.. Ok it did't cost me anything but these are the things happening every day.
Edited by TVRJAS on Wednesday 15th January 21:48
Re tax, there shouldn't be any so long as you are not paid appearance fees or sponsorship and you are just someone who plays poker and happens to win.
Re the above conspiracy theory post I once had a run of losing 44/46 all in pots with an open end straight flush draw which is essentially a 50/50 shot or better. If it can happen, it will happen if you play enough poker.
I've heard stories of red coming in 27 in a row on the wheel so it's no miracle to miss with your 67suited 8 times in a row
Re the above conspiracy theory post I once had a run of losing 44/46 all in pots with an open end straight flush draw which is essentially a 50/50 shot or better. If it can happen, it will happen if you play enough poker.
I've heard stories of red coming in 27 in a row on the wheel so it's no miracle to miss with your 67suited 8 times in a row
Crockefeller said:
Re the above conspiracy theory post I once had a run of losing 44/46 all in pots with an open end straight flush draw which is essentially a 50/50 shot or better. If it can happen, it will happen if you play enough poker.
I've heard stories of red coming in 27 in a row on the wheel so it's no miracle to miss with your 67suited 8 times in a row
I think 4,800 tournaments concludes I play enough poker I've heard stories of red coming in 27 in a row on the wheel so it's no miracle to miss with your 67suited 8 times in a row
. Not sure when they starting counting because it never used to show for the 1st two years but I now have a hands played count of 73,376 showing.I'm not the loose player that is going all in 67, 8-10 etc these are the hands that take out my AA,KK,QQ 80% of the time. It should be the other way round as % go as AA KK is almost 80% the winning hand over 67 suited 78 suited 810 suited etc but I'm loosing 80% of the time with premium hands.
Again many people playing online poker are playing the odd tournament or two a day/week and simply are not keeping stats. Bit like myself for the first 18 months just thought yep he got lucky or I was just unlucky,but for the last two and half years I have studied,watched and kept previous stats of what is going on and it just does not add up.
On a forum Pokerscout I came across a thread that has 1,000's of bad negative comments from players that I would class as experienced players,not people playing 20 games loosing and complaining it's rigged but players like myself who are not jumping online and just playing the cards that are in front of them(My cards are not relative to me). But when I am playing with a premium hand as odds and stats go I should be winning those hands 80% of the time not 20% of the time.
If i'm loosing to an aggressive style of play with a very weak hand where my opponent normally folds but now calls I would except to my looses.
Yes your comparison of red turning up 27 times is correct but this might happen once in tens of thousand of spins. As for me being dealt a suited hand 75% of the time everyday/week/month/year and 98% hitting none is BS
and beyond the possibilities of stats. I have seen 100's if not thousands of time where it has gone to showdown and on the board we have 4 spades or 4 clubs etc and player A will be holding 2 hearts player B diamonds player C ... you get the picture,everyone is holding different. I might expect to see this once every few hundred hands,but every 10/15
The videos uploaded from Magic612 clearly points out 9/10 are action hands,on the flop their will be something for everybody 90% of the time,turn will then give more action and the river will then give someone a straight but will loose to flush or flush to FH etc. Yes this happens in poker but not at the rate of online poker.
My aim here is not to put anyone off playing just to open the eyes to players that are not spending 6-8hrs a day playing poker and are a bit in the dark.I still think to enter a tournament at $1-$2 and sometimes play a game for 2-3hrs even if you loose it's very good value for money. One press of a button in a pub on a fruit machine £1 gone in what 5secs.
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