The POKER thread

[Shaoxter]

TVRJAS said:

Conspiracy theory

Have you watched Runner Runner?

Wait a sec... are you Justin Timberlake??

[TVRJAS]

Shaoxter said:

Have you watched Runner Runner?

Wait a sec... are you Justin Timberlake??

Don't have the time to watch movies as I'm always playing/was playing bloody poker

So that's a No and a No and it is't my conspiracy theory,it's 1,000's and 1,000's of peoples theory that I now happen to belong too.

One of Magic612 clips is a classic where he is playing a table and quads come up four times in 38 hands. The chances of seeing quads at a 10 ring table is once in 5,950 hands approx 100hrs of play.

I have also experienced seeing quads 6 times in a tournament of just less than 3hrs.. But I had been moved tables so not all 6 at the same. Again online poker has stats and scenarios that are breaking the realms of possibilities and will soon have the physicists and mathematicians
Regardless of how many players are at a table, quads will statistically be dealt once every 5,950 times (or once every 100 hours, not 7 hours).

Quote from a top well regarded person in the poker forums below.

"Although it is possible that it will be dealt more, that of course is true. However the odds of seeing quads dealt 3 times inside of 15 minutes at the same table is a statistical improbability".

Edited by TVRJAS on Thursday 16th January 16:03

[Shaoxter]

I think you should watch the movie, might give you a few ideas as to what to do next with your conspiracy theory

[TVRJAS]

Shaoxter said:

I think you should watch the movie, might give you a few ideas as to what to do next with your conspiracy theory

I had to google the title before so at least i know now it's about gambling

Do i need to get my AK47 ready and go get the corrupt thieving bar stewards who stole my money.. And by the way i'm more like Rambo than Timberpond

[Crockefeller]

Whilst there may be thousands of experienced players who agree with what you have said I'd be interested to know how many were actually winning players.

I'm going to guess that your stats on losing big pairs vs junk includes a majority of pots that begin multiway and finish at showdown. Am I correct?

[TVRJAS]

Crockefeller said:

Whilst there may be thousands of experienced players who agree with what you have said I'd be interested to know how many were actually winning players.

I'm going to guess that your stats on losing big pairs vs junk includes a majority of pots that begin multiway and finish at showdown. Am I correct?

Don't really see how it makes much difference when or where premium hands are loosing 80% of the time if it happens to be KK against 67 and flop is J67 turn 4 river Q or Q7J 5 6.

If it has been a large raised hand PF and it goes to an all in on a J67 flop i'm going to call with kings or Aces every time... And here lies the problem that 80% of calls are being taken out either on flop turn or at showdown don't make much difference in my eyes

If the flop happened to be the 2nd scenario Q7J rainbow and player with K's goes all in I know if I was on 76 i would be folding in that situation (unless I was pretty much out of chips,or had a massive stack and the call was't going to make a huge difference) but players/bots/donks are not folding and the so called random deal will hit 2pr somewhere on the board.

I obviously can not answer your question to how many are winning players but i did read that only about 20% of online players are in profit.. And who are these profit players? Bots? in house players? who knows?

I've in the past been one of those players realistically thinking it's cards and unbelievable things can happen and coming 2/830 players and picking up £350 etc thinking well if it was rigged i would't of won that.

Play again and 8-10 bad beats then come when you have the best hand PF. I have lost count where I am 90% 95% on win rate before the river then BOOM It's happened thousands of times crockefeller THOUSANDS

[Crockefeller]

The point I was trying to get at was how many opponents are seeing the flop when you are holding these big pairs. My assumption was that in the micro stakes it sounds like you play there will be a lot of people seeing the flop? Is that the case?

[TVRJAS]

Crockefeller said:

The point I was trying to get at was how many opponents are seeing the flop when you are holding these big pairs. My assumption was that in the micro stakes it sounds like you play there will be a lot of people seeing the flop? Is that the case?

Sorry...

Ok well in that case because I play a tight aggressive style at most times just against one or two.

I understand where you are coming from and slow playing AA Kk,QQ and having 6 callers your % rates are not 80%... This is not my style...

My 1st year of poker I played medium stakes $20-$30 tables and this is where my loss damage came from but these were the days where I thought I was good poker player Year 2-3 I spent many many hours studying poker( Retired living in Thailand) I was playing more micro tables $1-$2.40 comps and more recently 75% micro and then 25% $5-$10 double up tables and $5 s&g's.

Last year i finished in profit of £340 and have been rated on a stats company annalist as a 5*A player.. that's as good as it gets and held this for many many months... currently when I just stop playing I have fallen to a 4*K because I just lost about £30 in my last 10 tournaments. It uses playing cards as your rating 1*2 meaning your poop 5*9 or 10 meaning your doing pretty good and the top would be rated 5*A which as said had been holding for most of last year.

I was never playing to become the next online millionaire,just love the game of poker and am fortunate to have hours of free time to spend how I like.

It's an amazing game and again will point out as long as you play with money you can afford to loose and yes maybe win it really is a cheap hobby.

That's the way I looked at it passing many hours having fun which is't that what life should be all about? What i also noticed when playing at times and yes there were a few $100 games when I got one of these bad beats I would find myself hitting a wall,swearing basically loosing the plot Playing for $1-2 having maybe 1hr enjoying myself and loose when it should win there is no swearing or punching walls going on.

It is still great fun,but I have enough stats that tell me that soon enough that £340 I have as bankroll will disappear through time and it's just hurting me when it's always on premium hands.

I would never of spent this much time on PH on one thread... Got a lot of hours on my hands these days

[TVR MAN]

TVRJas - what have you used to record all the statistics?

[Crockefeller]

OK Jas I follow what you're saying. I thought maybe you were not taking into account that 8 players saw the flop in which case one would likely hit something to beat you.

You've got a great attitude to poker, I wish I still had that enthusiasm for online play. I think the turning point is often when you go from wanting to win to thinking you should win. At that point you're no longer learning new things and looking at your own game with complete honesty. The old 'poker is rigged' line is often a symptom of that.

You seem to lead an interesting life with a hobby that you love. Can't argue with that.

Ps. The only rating system to worry about is balance of your account

[TVRJAS]

TVR MAN said:

TVRJas - what have you used to record all the statistics?

Hi TVRMAN,

YHM under subject topic "poker"

But also just to point out when i am at a table I am making personal notes on what the players are doing using my code system.

I also have have a large book next to me with stats and things that are going on written down.

Regards JAS

Edited by TVRJAS on Thursday 16th January 20:08

[TVRJAS]

Crockefeller said:

OK Jas I follow what you're saying. I thought maybe you were not taking into account that 8 players saw the flop in which case one would likely hit something to beat you.

You've got a great attitude to poker, I wish I still had that enthusiasm for online play. I think the turning point is often when you go from wanting to win to thinking you should win. At that point you're no longer learning new things and looking at your own game with complete honesty. The old 'poker is rigged' line is often a symptom of that.

You seem to lead an interesting life with a hobby that you love. Can't argue with that.

Ps. The only rating system to worry about is balance of your account

Thank you..
Kind words from you Crockefeller and sorry I never picked up your point sooner.

I think you too hit the nail on the head where you say quote " I wish I still had that enthusiasm"

This is where i'm at... the enthusiasm is fading and the frustration is creeping in and the fun part of a hobby was slowly being destroyed. If those are missing I don't see much point in continuing.

I was more at the point of saying F*** not again REALLY!! than almost breaking my knuckles which is all positive news.

Like your stats opinion and yep makes sense

[Crockefeller]

I feel your pain....as did my monitor, keyboard and multiple mouses over the years

Stay away from Omaha if you want to stay sane!

[TVRJAS]

Crockefeller said:

I feel your pain....as did my monitor, keyboard and multiple mouses over the years

Stay away from Omaha if you want to stay sane!

Yep i lost my laptop when I poked my finger pretty hard at the screen and I got one big black spot and the rest of the screen multicolored



If I recall that was $50 game

Like to think I have kept totally sane.... I've had 3 Honda's not Omaha's

[spud989]

Game tomorrow anyone?

Also, Pokerstars' Turbo Championship starts soon. I'll be playing in the lower events (e.g. the $27 opener), with any luck, and maybe trying to qualify for some of the higher ones. Anyone else planning on it?

[TVRJAS]

As mentioned i cashed in after playing for 4 years and 3 months on the i poker network.

I rounded up my cash in sum which left me a bankroll balance of £2.45 + 550 bonus points,and not pulled the plug as I have a few free comps through their VIP award scheme.

Right now through one of the poker sites i'm rated as pretty much as good as it gets (Not bragging here) just to point out I'm not a idiot and rated by the poker gods as a very good player.

My £2.45 has crept up and down and currently is £3.15( What Ya think Red Ferrari or risky Black) and now have 1,372.89 bonus points from increase playing rewards and playing some bonus points tourns.

As mentioned previously I have spoke of my % outs or big loss pots to the big blind. My last 9/10 games outs have all been to the big blind position which has pretty much confirmed my long history of stats to loosing to big blind.

What I have experienced today is the reason why I cashed in,It has become beyond playable and although I'm only playing now with very low micro stakes I'm still pretty sure it's going to cost me a new computer screen as above because of frustration (Not the money)

I wish I had thought of it sooner and got some pics of the BS that went on today. My KK Raised all in against low chip BB he calls with 10,3 hearts. Flop A39 turn 10 and yep river a 3. Another I have AK spades OTB and raise 300 chips,chip leader is on BB and calls, flop comes A25 red, ok slight worry because not hit any suit like the other 95% of the time but I raise 600 chips.. Big blind chip leader then hits all in... I'm left thinking maybe he has hit 2pr like 80% of the time or is he trying an aggressive push for flush.Hoping it's the flush option and me hitting top pair with K kicker I call,It's a 50c double up table so not breaking the bank here... whats he turn over 34 spades Qs comes on turn following by 9h.. So BB hits straight OTF against a hand that has 65% win rate my K's lost at 84%.. Same everyday.

And then this one pictured below(did't break the computer) but did take a picture. My hand is out of view but I had pair 4's and folded on turn from player with J9 who bet on turn who then hit a river.... but look at BB.... 10,5 FH!! This is what I've been seeing everyday.. I did actually win this game that lasted 10mins.



I was seeing this kind of thing 20-30 times a day.... I was playing a lot And it don't matter how good you are or think you are this kind of stuff that is going on is unplayable.

[MrAdaam]

What about just playing on a different poker network? Sounds to me like your luck says you should get a new hobby!

[TVRJAS]

MrAdaam said:

What about just playing on a different poker network? Sounds to me like your luck says you should get a new hobby!

Just read enough forums and gather information like I have and you will soon realize it's nothing to do with my luck. Every network running is all talk of scams and when you read the history of the people running the sites i wish my hobby had been something else than feeding Cheating scam companies that have history of fraud.

And as said my poker is not based on luck... I spent over 18 months 8-10 hrs a day at times studying poker. I was also using my coaching methods from two manuals that cost 500 euro each and still with all that knowledge you can not beat a computer randomly giving constant BS cards to Big blind.

And this is the game before the 10,5 FH BS.. I was K3 diamonds and as you will see did't hit any. The game only lasted 11 hands 4 players double up. In that 11 hands I had 5 suited hands and hit none on all 5. But just look again at the final out.... Not me i folded to bet on flop and finished top two.



I could show you about 40 of these BS BB wins just today,but i don't need to prove anything more to myself

[TVRJAS]

And just in case you think I'm bringing up random games look at the times

19.54 and drum roll


20.14

Big blind magic one after the other after the other

[TVRJAS]

If you want to keep defending online poker MRAddam that's your prerogative

I could post 40 non stop hands yesterday that were all action hands,not a single hand where there was not a straight,FH,3of kind, flush or quads or just simple big blind taking 2pr J3 K2 95 etc.

Just logged in and this my 1st game over in 2 hands.

1st hand i'm J6 and fold.


That's AA on BB going down to K9d at a 82% win rate pre flop to a river flush.

2nd hand I am 68 OTB and small raise as this is my style 90% of the time,then just look at what follows... If you can seriously defend that this is random dealt cards I have a feeling you are going to loose a lot of money on online poker... But it's your life and have no right to tell you what to do.



That is 3 hands in play out of 4 players and we have my straight OTF and then flush and a FH on the river.


Something I have also been monitoring is that if you have just took a good size pot with lets say Q's... Either the following hand or a couple after you will be dealt AK suited or AQs pocket 10's maybe. My long study of this scenario is which ever way you choose to play this Very aggressive or just aggressive there be a hand out there to beat you.If you have AK then K's or AA will be calling or going all in or a loose aggressive player will call 6's 7's and Boom board will be dry 683 K then comes to get the action going time after time after time.