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What network do you play on? Maybe playing live would suit your style better?
There are plenty of people online who can make money playing the game. While I agree that some of your hands are the favourite, the odds soon go down once you've seen the flop. AA is a great starting hand, but when that flops you need the discipline to fold the hand if you're in danger of losing money.
There are plenty of people online who can make money playing the game. While I agree that some of your hands are the favourite, the odds soon go down once you've seen the flop. AA is a great starting hand, but when that flops you need the discipline to fold the hand if you're in danger of losing money.
Good Morning MRAddam,
I play on William Hill under the ipoker network which covers many many sites.
I read that only 20% are in profit and that could be as little as a few dollars,but who are these winning players? We know that these companies are using their in house poker Bots,they have admitted it.
I wrote a few pages back on this thread that playing bots is nothing too much to worry about as long as your stats are running above 4% as this is what they say a bots profit margin runs at. But with them using 100's of in house bots to me this is worrying.
Also spotting them is pretty difficult,but I know for sure i meet one regularly on a $1 double up table,when I look at his profile it all looks a bit strange.
Plays on average 300 games a day last year just over 76,000 games all $1 but then suddenly enters a $200 MTT and comes 13th nice pay check. When you then look at profiles who came 1st 2nd 3rd again very worrying. 1st had profit of $48,000 for 80 games 2013,2012 profit but then 2014 no play(Change the name before it gets suspicious) is my theory
Same story for 2nd 3rd 4th. 2nd wins $34,000 after 20 games and then does't play anymore.
Of course this is mine and many 1000's of players who think this is the conspiracy theory ,or are we all just bad players with paranoia?
Every player in the top 10 of that tournament just does't make sense.7th player who won $6,000 his 3rd ever game wins $11k 37 games in total $16k profit and then decides not to play again. Took his money and ran? Or loose the profile before it gets spotted?
By the way I don't think the yanks landed on the moon
just to give you a view into my perspectives 
I play on William Hill under the ipoker network which covers many many sites.
I read that only 20% are in profit and that could be as little as a few dollars,but who are these winning players? We know that these companies are using their in house poker Bots,they have admitted it.
I wrote a few pages back on this thread that playing bots is nothing too much to worry about as long as your stats are running above 4% as this is what they say a bots profit margin runs at. But with them using 100's of in house bots to me this is worrying.
Also spotting them is pretty difficult,but I know for sure i meet one regularly on a $1 double up table,when I look at his profile it all looks a bit strange.
Plays on average 300 games a day last year just over 76,000 games all $1 but then suddenly enters a $200 MTT and comes 13th nice pay check. When you then look at profiles who came 1st 2nd 3rd again very worrying. 1st had profit of $48,000 for 80 games 2013,2012 profit but then 2014 no play(Change the name before it gets suspicious) is my theory
Same story for 2nd 3rd 4th. 2nd wins $34,000 after 20 games and then does't play anymore.Of course this is mine and many 1000's of players who think this is the conspiracy theory ,or are we all just bad players with paranoia?
Every player in the top 10 of that tournament just does't make sense.7th player who won $6,000 his 3rd ever game wins $11k 37 games in total $16k profit and then decides not to play again. Took his money and ran? Or loose the profile before it gets spotted?
By the way I don't think the yanks landed on the moon
just to give you a view into my perspectives MrAdaam said:
There are plenty of people online who can make money playing the game. While I agree that some of your hands are the favourite, the odds soon go down once you've seen the flop. AA is a great starting hand, but when that flops you need the discipline to fold the hand if you're in danger of losing money.
Just to clarify I did't have the AA I had the 68 OTB and raised small into the blinds.Big blind was obviously playing tight and if he had re-raised 200 chips which is what i would of done i would of folded.. however
We have my odds pre flop of 12.66% 38h 10.29% and AA at 74.19%
After the flop of 10c 7h 9h things change dramatically 68 becomes 45.51% 38h 30.9% and AA falls to 5.87% So yes you are correct AA should of thought of folding.. But would you
. AA bets and I re raise doing all the right things 38h calls and has the right to and then AA re raise and i hit all in still as % go doing the right thing and so we are all in.AA must of cursed when he see's my str8 on the flop and 38 well he's just now fishing but at 30.9% and a 50c game he's probably thinking why not
Turn comes 10s and still i'm looking all good at almost 61.9% then the BS 10h river and suddenly i'm out.
And just pointing out to see AA at a table is 1-221 and in that 2 handed game we see in twice
Just because that is the odds doesn't mean that it should be rigid. Take a big enough sample and I'm sure we'll be plenty close to those odds overall. One average session, on the other hand, doesn't provide enough data for us. I'm surprised you'd gone in with 68. While it paid off on the flop, it's not exactly a conventional hand to raise off! Suppose when position is taken into consideration I can see your logic.
Had a good run myself on the micro stakes tonight. Up ~$10 overall and when you consider it's NL2 (0.01/0.02 with $2 max buyin) that's pretty good going! At one point one of my tables was at a BR of $14 (up $12). How is everyone else getting on?
Had a good run myself on the micro stakes tonight. Up ~$10 overall and when you consider it's NL2 (0.01/0.02 with $2 max buyin) that's pretty good going! At one point one of my tables was at a BR of $14 (up $12). How is everyone else getting on?
MrAdaam said:
I'm surprised you'd gone in with 68. While it paid off on the flop, it's not exactly a conventional hand to raise off! Suppose when position is taken into consideration I can see your logic.
If you don't know why i did then i'm not talking to a very professional poker player.Go figure
TVRJAS said:
If you don't know why i did then i'm not talking to a very professional poker player.
Go figure
I've not once said I'm professional. In fact, I'm the first to admit that I'm far from it. Go figure
I'm treating your cards here as cash game (please let me know if I'm wrong) and the 6s8c has no real connection. If they was suited, by all means, but I'm seeing two random cards that got lucky - exactly the thing you're upset about in the majority of your posts?
Of course, feel free to enlighten me!
Hi Smartypants...
Again this may depend on how much or how often you are playing. Sad to say it but I was playing most weeks 50hrs a week and if i was't playing i was studying poker.. Yeah I know sad very sad but it happens, I am single and retired so it's not affecting anyone around me and I can choose what I want to do that interest's me
I completely understand the way odds work and that every favorite is not a winner. Thing is with online poker the odds are working the wrong way round,in a live game if i am dealt AA i'm getting pretty excited,in online poker under my breath i'm saying oh
. And this is because of my 1,000's of hours of online poker history % hands are constantly loosing either if i'm holding them or watching some other poor sod loosing AA,KK to j3 2pr big blind 83 flush 59 flush etc etc. Just google AA poker forums and see how many thousands of people are talking the same thing.
If you are only playing the odd hour or two here and their you are never going to understand what I'm talking about.. But it should never be a case that when you are dealt AA KK that you are getting worried.
On a 6 player table today AA was dealt 4 times in 17 hands,we also had Q's 2 times and K's one time. Also out of those 17 hands Ace landed on the board 9 times AA landed 2 times,and yes this is the same game as seeing AA 3 times and me having once where they all folded. I always thought there was only 4 Aces in a pack,i think they use 8
Hi MRAddam,
Please don't get the idea that i'm trying to insult you and I understand that you have never claimed to be any kind of professional. But not going into to much here but as i have pointed out that I was OTB and you don't know why I raised then just be careful out there on those tables.
Still my point remains that if you are playing micro stakes and can afford to loose £20 a week then it's still good value for money most of the times.
You need to start keeping your own stats of bad beats,start playing 100's of hands everyday and monitor what is going on if your in play or not. Just watch 95% of the hands all being action hands,then watch some live poker from the pro's and see the difference. And I don't mean watching you tube highlight clips,live tournaments or recorded whole events..
Well done tonight
hope your still up.. Mr conspiracy says watch the next time you play have some pretty unusual stuff happen
Hope I'm wrong and if you have intention of playing more don't take offence but start to
up on poker.
Again this may depend on how much or how often you are playing. Sad to say it but I was playing most weeks 50hrs a week and if i was't playing i was studying poker.. Yeah I know sad very sad but it happens,
I am single and retired so it's not affecting anyone around me and I can choose what I want to do that interest's me I completely understand the way odds work and that every favorite is not a winner. Thing is with online poker the odds are working the wrong way round,in a live game if i am dealt AA i'm getting pretty excited,in online poker under my breath i'm saying oh
. And this is because of my 1,000's of hours of online poker history % hands are constantly loosing either if i'm holding them or watching some other poor sod loosing AA,KK to j3 2pr big blind 83 flush 59 flush etc etc. Just google AA poker forums and see how many thousands of people are talking the same thing.If you are only playing the odd hour or two here and their you are never going to understand what I'm talking about.. But it should never be a case that when you are dealt AA KK that you are getting worried.
On a 6 player table today AA was dealt 4 times in 17 hands,we also had Q's 2 times and K's one time. Also out of those 17 hands Ace landed on the board 9 times AA landed 2 times,and yes this is the same game as seeing AA 3 times and me having once where they all folded. I always thought there was only 4 Aces in a pack,i think they use 8
Hi MRAddam,
Please don't get the idea that i'm trying to insult you and I understand that you have never claimed to be any kind of professional. But not going into to much here but as i have pointed out that I was OTB and you don't know why I raised then just be careful out there on those tables.
Still my point remains that if you are playing micro stakes and can afford to loose £20 a week then it's still good value for money most of the times.
You need to start keeping your own stats of bad beats,start playing 100's of hands everyday and monitor what is going on if your in play or not. Just watch 95% of the hands all being action hands,then watch some live poker from the pro's and see the difference. And I don't mean watching you tube highlight clips,live tournaments or recorded whole events..
Well done tonight
hope your still up.. Mr conspiracy says watch the next time you play have some pretty unusual stuff happen Hope I'm wrong and if you have intention of playing more don't take offence but start to
up on poker. TVRJAS said:
If you want to keep defending online poker MRAddam that's your prerogative
I could post 40 non stop hands yesterday that were all action hands,not a single hand where there was not a straight,FH,3of kind, flush or quads or just simple big blind taking 2pr J3 K2 95 etc.
Just logged in and this my 1st game over in 2 hands.
1st hand i'm J6 and fold.
See, the player with pocket A's in the above screenshot does him / herself no favours. Two aces pre-flop demand a really good shove; way more than 3BB and certainly pot+more. Not representing AA pre-flop is (for me) giving chancers with - say J9 off - a window of opportunity. I could post 40 non stop hands yesterday that were all action hands,not a single hand where there was not a straight,FH,3of kind, flush or quads or just simple big blind taking 2pr J3 K2 95 etc.
Just logged in and this my 1st game over in 2 hands.
1st hand i'm J6 and fold.
TVRJAS said:
Hi MRAddam,
Please don't get the idea that i'm trying to insult you and I understand that you have never claimed to be any kind of professional. But not going into to much here but as i have pointed out that I was OTB and you don't know why I raised then just be careful out there on those tables.
Still my point remains that if you are playing micro stakes and can afford to loose £20 a week then it's still good value for money most of the times.
You need to start keeping your own stats of bad beats,start playing 100's of hands everyday and monitor what is going on if your in play or not. Just watch 95% of the hands all being action hands,then watch some live poker from the pro's and see the difference. And I don't mean watching you tube highlight clips,live tournaments or recorded whole events..
Well done tonight hope your still up.. Mr conspiracy says watch the next time you play have some pretty unusual stuff happen
Hope I'm wrong and if you have intention of playing more don't take offence but start to up on poker.
I'll keep my eye out for any wrongdoing and definitely be reporting back here! My understanding of being OTB depends entirely upon situation and the table dynamics. Personally, unless I have some kind of hand, I have stopped any kind of action from any position. If I'm in a good position and dominating the table well then I loosen up. Please don't get the idea that i'm trying to insult you and I understand that you have never claimed to be any kind of professional. But not going into to much here but as i have pointed out that I was OTB and you don't know why I raised then just be careful out there on those tables.
Still my point remains that if you are playing micro stakes and can afford to loose £20 a week then it's still good value for money most of the times.
You need to start keeping your own stats of bad beats,start playing 100's of hands everyday and monitor what is going on if your in play or not. Just watch 95% of the hands all being action hands,then watch some live poker from the pro's and see the difference. And I don't mean watching you tube highlight clips,live tournaments or recorded whole events..
Well done tonight
hope your still up.. Mr conspiracy says watch the next time you play have some pretty unusual stuff happen Hope I'm wrong and if you have intention of playing more don't take offence but start to
up on poker. I am still, genuinely, interested in your thought process behind that. If anything, this thread should be bringing us to discuss hands and how they were played. I've some fairly lucky things happen last night which I'll share if I get time later tonight to delve into HEM and export them.
Victoria Coren Mitchell won EPT 10 Sanremo last night to become the first EPT two time winner.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/apr/20/victo...
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/apr/20/victo...
conanius said:
I think the reality with poker is, playing properly requires lots of discipline, patience, and willingness not to continue to play poor hands from a weak position to show how big your balls are. Once in a while you will get away with it, but it catches you up.
The reality of poker and the reality of "Online Poker" are two completely different things..Big write up in the DM this week on Teddy Sagi. It's never right that a convicted fraudster,convicted criminal who comes from a family with a murderous past should be able to get in the position of making Billions out of defrauding people.
I cashed in several months ago and no longer give my money to this Israeli CONMAN!,just amazes me that all the information about this Conman is out there but people still give him their money
justin220 said:
I play poker occaisionally, but only live. Sometimes in the casino, but mostly at a mates house. Usually £25 buy in (£5 scalp)
However my old man plays quite a bit online aswell as live, and is convinced SkyPoker is rigged to favour the weaker hand, or let the weaker hand win on the river, or even deal two different players very strong hands, to entice people into betting bigger, going out, and starting again.
I take the piss, but even watching him playing it does seem slightly off. I find online extremely non involving. I prefer the interaction with people
I have found a few times on SkyPoker and also Pokerstars that If I have a picture pair or Aces dealt then the guy who has a pair of say 2's or 3's always seems to go All-in and end up with 3x2's/3's and Win the hand...However my old man plays quite a bit online aswell as live, and is convinced SkyPoker is rigged to favour the weaker hand, or let the weaker hand win on the river, or even deal two different players very strong hands, to entice people into betting bigger, going out, and starting again.
I take the piss, but even watching him playing it does seem slightly off. I find online extremely non involving. I prefer the interaction with people
Alternatively, I tried the same by going All-in on low pairs and most times it does work...
Muffsy said:
justin220 said:
I play poker occaisionally, but only live. Sometimes in the casino, but mostly at a mates house. Usually £25 buy in (£5 scalp)
However my old man plays quite a bit online aswell as live, and is convinced SkyPoker is rigged to favour the weaker hand, or let the weaker hand win on the river, or even deal two different players very strong hands, to entice people into betting bigger, going out, and starting again.
I take the piss, but even watching him playing it does seem slightly off. I find online extremely non involving. I prefer the interaction with people
I have found a few times on SkyPoker and also Pokerstars that If I have a picture pair or Aces dealt then the guy who has a pair of say 2's or 3's always seems to go All-in and end up with 3x2's/3's and Win the hand...However my old man plays quite a bit online aswell as live, and is convinced SkyPoker is rigged to favour the weaker hand, or let the weaker hand win on the river, or even deal two different players very strong hands, to entice people into betting bigger, going out, and starting again.
I take the piss, but even watching him playing it does seem slightly off. I find online extremely non involving. I prefer the interaction with people
Alternatively, I tried the same by going All-in on low pairs and most times it does work...
Muffsy said:
I have found a few times on SkyPoker and also Pokerstars that If I have a picture pair or Aces dealt then the guy who has a pair of say 2's or 3's always seems to go All-in and end up with 3x2's/3's and Win the hand...
Alternatively, I tried the same by going All-in on low pairs and most times it does work...
Not for me yesterday on PS....took $30 off some poor sap slow playing pocket Ks allowing me into trip Qs, next hand I get pocket 10s, get called all in by what turned out to be pocket 8s, to run smack bang into quad 8s on the flop. Nett result -$45 Alternatively, I tried the same by going All-in on low pairs and most times it does work...
Slight thread resurrection but i needed to air my frustrations.
Im nowhere near a regular poker player, nor a good one, its usually low stakes to kill time but tonights poker takes the absolute piss!
Its been a long time since i last played and for some reason felt like a game tonight so over to trusty ol' pokerstars i went.
Played 3, $3 45 player tournamaents and on all three occasions got down to the last 10 and got rivered each time by someone that shouldnt have even been in the hand after the flop. This started to annoy me (is it possible to go on tilt at such low stakes?!) and up the stakes i went to $7 hyper turbo 6 player s'n'g for a quick fix to try and recoup my losses. This is when the following happened in the space of two hands.....
On both occasions all the money was in pre flop and both times i was about 70% favorite to win only to be absolutely hammered!
Im not one of those ones that screams 'fix' but fk me hands like this dont help the cause!
Rant (sort of a rant) over.
Im nowhere near a regular poker player, nor a good one, its usually low stakes to kill time but tonights poker takes the absolute piss!
Its been a long time since i last played and for some reason felt like a game tonight so over to trusty ol' pokerstars i went.
Played 3, $3 45 player tournamaents and on all three occasions got down to the last 10 and got rivered each time by someone that shouldnt have even been in the hand after the flop. This started to annoy me (is it possible to go on tilt at such low stakes?!) and up the stakes i went to $7 hyper turbo 6 player s'n'g for a quick fix to try and recoup my losses. This is when the following happened in the space of two hands.....
On both occasions all the money was in pre flop and both times i was about 70% favorite to win only to be absolutely hammered!
Im not one of those ones that screams 'fix' but f
k me hands like this dont help the cause!Rant (sort of a rant) over.
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