The POKER thread

[Shaoxter]

MrAdaam said:

Problem with playing bad people is they are unpredictable and you just need to play solid hands or you'll be caught out.

If by unpredictable you mean never folding when they hit a pair and not falling for bluffs then yeah I agree with you

[conanius]

I watched a guy at a 'friendly cash game' at a friends house call an all in as second to act on a table of 8. Everyone else folded and he turned over 8 5 off suit. Other guy had pocket kings.

You know where this is going, he rivers a straight.

I'm sat there shaking my head in disbelief to which I'm told that 'skill' had been involved.

I never checked, but I wondered the odds on him winning.

You literally can't do anything when a newb has a hand like that, bar just play damn tight.

[Buff Mchugelarge]

I used to play a lot online, but life moved on and I never really started again.

After reading this thread I've just won a 30p buy in Sit and go

I've got a way to go to my first bracelet

[TVRJAS]

conanius said:

I never checked, but I wondered the odds on him winning.

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Pre flop (8-5) odds are 15.43% to win, 0.39% tie, 84.19% loose against kings

The dumb ass got lucky

Edited by TVRJAS on Sunday 5th January 23:50

[TVRJAS]

From my above post you may gather that I play poker and indeed I do.

My advise would be before you plunge into online poker arm yourself and invest in some poker software tools. There are many many sites so you will have to do your homework on what to buy and who from.

These will inform you the stats of your opponents at the table which obviously is pretty useful information to have.

Have been playing online for 4yrs and if you do not study and invest in these tools you are at a very big disadvantage.

Also play to your personal limits and take advantage of playing the beginners tables which is offered for about a 2 month period,players who have been online for over that period can not enter these tournaments so at least you will be playing against new fodder

I would also recommend to avoid the cash tables and play micro stakes s&g (sit and go) beginners to get the feel of it.

And Last thing would be..... Good luck

Just thought I would add my comment about the useage of pokerbots (A robot that plays poker) ... Yes they are out there and are quite difficult to detect.

But my information tells me a pokerbot runs at about 4% profit, so as long as your a good confident player in profit above 4% you should not worry about Bots. I am currently showing an average ROI of 19%... way better than a bank

Edited by TVRJAS on Monday 6th January 00:28

[kiteless]

Buff Mchugelarge said:

I used to play a lot online, but life moved on and I never really started again.

After reading this thread I've just won a 30p buy in Sit and go

I've got a way to go to my first bracelet

Tell me.

I've been playing on line for 3 years, and last year I decided to dabble in real money Sit 'n Go. It was scary in that all the other players seemed to have a crystal ball and knew exactly what pocket cards I was holding.

I may not have been aggressive enough TBH, as I've always been a tight player. In the last 6 months on the main PokerStars platform, I'm still tight but gone very aggressive pre-flop, and it's paying off.

[TVRJAS]

kiteless said:

Tell me.

I've been playing on line for 3 years, and last year I decided to dabble in real money Sit 'n Go. It was scary in that all the other players seemed to have a crystal ball and knew exactly what pocket cards I was holding.

I may not have been aggressive enough TBH, as I've always been a tight player. In the last 6 months on the main PokerStars platform, I'm still tight but gone very aggressive pre-flop, and it's paying off.

My total hands played is reading 71,458 and can not recall a single moment when a player has called what I have.

I play on William Hill and to be honest the chat at tables is very little,I have a sat through 2-3hr games and not a single comment from anyone

As has been mentioned earlier nobody has the software to see your cards so their just having a wild guess. If you keep playing the same people over and over again and you keep personal notes (I do) then it's quite possible to gain knowledge from the hand their playing. But don't be paranoid about it

And playing aggressive for me would determine my position,stack size and the history of the players who are seated after me. There are many styles of playing poker and can vary on what tournament you are playing. For turbo double up tournaments I will play very tight and aggressive and will only open my range of hands when I have gained stack advantage.

Edited by TVRJAS on Monday 6th January 01:57

[MrAdaam]

Shaoxter said:

If by unpredictable you mean never folding when they hit a pair and not falling for bluffs then yeah I agree with you

I'd wish that was the case! I've been called on some ridiculous hands. One guy went all in, I had something fairly strong and called. He showed his cards and there was nothing there, at all. It would've made something soft like a high-card 9 hand. WTF?!

[Jimmy No Hands]

Don't try and understand other players motives, some people will just baffle you. Whether they're drunk, don't know what they're doing or on tilt, someone will always do something that will make you scratch your head.

[MrAdaam]

Jimmy No Hands said:

Don't try and understand other players motives, some people will just baffle you. Whether they're drunk, don't know what they're doing or on tilt, someone will always do something that will make you scratch your head.

Believe me, I've given up trying to suss people out unless they are making fairly obvious moves. It's helped me become more profitable!!

[RKi]

Be careful not to make the mistake of thinking that TV pro's are good players though. With most sports you generally have to compete at an elite level to get on TV, with poker all you need is a big wallet.

Players such as Phil Hellmuth, Doyle Brunson, Howard Lederer etc are old and washed up, and genuinely wouldn't stand a chance of winning at a respectable winrate at 25c/50c (50NL) on Pokerstars. They made all of their money back in the day and during the early online poker boom. My Cat probably could have won the WSOP in the 70's, 80's and 90's.

There are exceptions of course. Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan, Daniel Cates, Patrik Antonius etc are all excellent players.

[MrAdaam]

The commentary alone is worth watching the larger tournaments for! I don't know whether the blokes that do that are switched on or just don't have a clue!

[Crockefeller]

RKi said:

Be careful not to make the mistake of thinking that TV pro's are good players though. With most sports you generally have to compete at an elite level to get on TV, with poker all you need is a big wallet.

Players such as Phil Hellmuth, Doyle Brunson, Howard Lederer etc are old and washed up, and genuinely wouldn't stand a chance of winning at a respectable winrate at 25c/50c (50NL) on Pokerstars. They made all of their money back in the day and during the early online poker boom. My Cat probably could have won the WSOP in the 70's, 80's and 90's.

There are exceptions of course. Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan, Daniel Cates, Patrik Antonius etc are all excellent players.

Behave! Hasn't Doyle only had one losing session on "high stakes poker"? Obviously he made plenty of his cash back in the days of Jimmy The Greek but I wouldn't go so far as including him with the other jokers.

The majority of TV pros are losing players as you say. Hansen down $13m online etc.

I think it's a mistake to think that a lot of low stakes online pros are actually good at 'poker' though. They are fantastic at reading stats and those of their opponent then playing optimally to win the money. Take their clever programmes away, don't give them a rake back deal and allow them to only play one table I'd wager that they'd suddenly become very very average. It depends what you define poker as...

But anyway, let's get this pistonheads poker club running, sounds like fun...

[TVRJAS]

I also love watching poker but typing in a variety of poker terms on youtube search usually see's me loose 3hrs.

Poker arguments topic search is classic...Hellmuth appears in a high percentage of them.

[RKi]

Crockefeller said:

Behave! Hasn't Doyle only had one losing session on "high stakes poker"? Obviously he made plenty of his cash back in the days of Jimmy The Greek but I wouldn't go so far as including him with the other jokers.

The majority of TV pros are losing players as you say. Hansen down $13m online etc.

I think it's a mistake to think that a lot of low stakes online pros are actually good at 'poker' though. They are fantastic at reading stats and those of their opponent then playing optimally to win the money. Take their clever programmes away, don't give them a rake back deal and allow them to only play one table I'd wager that they'd suddenly become very very average. It depends what you define poker as...

But anyway, let's get this pistonheads poker club running, sounds like fun...

Online players switching to live is the equivalent of f1 drivers switching to indycar and vice versa. Mansell vs Michael Andretti :P

[BrabusMog]

How can we set up a pistonheads group on Pokerstars? I only have the app on my iPad but if someone is able to do it, I'd love to join in!

[Crockefeller]

I'm usually on an iPad too. You may have to use a laptop or desktop to get the table in the lobby? Maybe we should start by putting our pokerstars screen names in the thread and then once we have enough for a full table we can agree what stakes and what format, if there is enough for a couple of different tables and stakes then even better

I'll start....

RandomRig

[Jimmy No Hands]

I'd be willing to play, dont have a Pokerstars account. Just on 888 at the moment. Having a fairly positive evening on 0.05/0.10

[kiteless]

RKi said:

Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan

Although I've always liked Chris Ferguson's playing style as well. Phil Laak, for me, would be a fking nightmare to play against. He just talks shoite constantly and re-raises with Q6 off in the big blind for example.

ETA: I'm kiteless115 on PokerStars.

Edited by kiteless on Tuesday 7th January 00:24

[Crockefeller]

I played a bit against Tom Dwan sometime around 2006 I think. The following years have definitely gone in opposite directions for us!

He is still responsible for most disgusting poker hand I've seen... I don't know how he sleeps at night!

http://www.highstakesdb.com/view-hand-history.aspx...