Never thought this would happen to me...

Never thought this would happen to me...

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WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. Make a change man smile

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

233 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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WinstonWolf said:
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. Make a change man smile
yes

start thinking about YOU for a change and get out there and do things that you want for you and let the others swim alone for a while.

grumbledoak

31,532 posts

233 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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croyde said:
Over 5 years since I split with the wife. I rent a one bedroomed flat at an eye watering cost so I can be near the kids, work every hour there is to pay for everything and have had no lovely women walk into my life..

Its pretty st and lonely so you lucky ones, count your blessings smile
Something's gotta give mate, even if it means living further from the kids and seeing them less often.

croyde

22,857 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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Thanks folks. Miserable rantings in the middle of a sleepless night.

Actually thought it had finally happened a month ago. Met her at my ex's birthday bash and went back to mine. Both very drunk but it was fun and fully expected her to wake up the next day sobered up and regretting it.

But no, she left me at 2am and was texting me at 7am saying how wonderful it all was. We continued texting and calling like a couple of teenagers for a couple of days and then met up. She has kids too and lives with her partner but only as parents to the children. I actually know them as we all used to holiday together as families years ago.

So a wonderful 2 weeks. She seemed to like me, was interested in me, we got on so well together, comfortable together and I just could not believe how happy I felt. She talked of things we could do together in the summer and beyond.

Then her mum (in law) fell ill. A date was cancelled, the calls stopped and the texts are rare and very business like. Her mum (in law) is dying, so she has a lot on and has to support her family and her partner so I can hardly ring up and say what about us. From a text last night I'm sure that it is all over but I'm just puzzled how she could be so into me (as I am into her) and then it can all come to an abrupt stop.

Hence the post in the middle of the night. Sorry for the thread hijack, cheers.

ETA I'd better move this to the Match thread I suppose biggrin

Edited by croyde on Thursday 17th April 10:48

Censorious

15,169 posts

234 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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I really feel for you OP.

I couldn't imagine not seeing my kids every day.

If this ever happened to me I have no doubt that I wouldn't be here for very long.

I really hope you don't feel the same way and I hope you can find some resolve.

Best of luck..

Censorious

15,169 posts

234 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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Censorious said:
I really feel for you OP.

I couldn't imagine not seeing my kids every day.

If this ever happened to me I have no doubt that I wouldn't be here for very long.

I really hope you don't feel the same way and I hope you can find some resolve.

Best of luck..
Sorry; hadn't read all pages or noticed your original post was a year old.

Glad to see you have got on with life and things worked out.

Censorious

15,169 posts

234 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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olly22n said:
Censorious said:
I really feel for you OP.

I couldn't imagine not seeing my kids every day.

If this ever happened to me I have no doubt that I wouldn't be here for very long.

I really hope you don't feel the same way and I hope you can find some resolve.

Best of luck..
I don't believe that you would rather never see your kids again than maybe once a fortnight?
The pain of rarely seeing them & seeing them with another bloke whom they might even start calling "Dad" would not be there any-more.

This thread has made me think about being more thoughtful at home.

I do a lot of the housekeeping, cleaning, nursery runs, shopping etc all whilst running 2 companies and it makes me grumpy sometimes but my wife has said just recently that I don't speak to her very nicely at times.

I shouldn't allow myself to get so grumpy; what does it matter.

ShawCrossShark

4,264 posts

234 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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Censorious said:
The pain of rarely seeing them & seeing them with another bloke whom they might even start calling "Dad" would not be there any-more.

This thread has made me think about being more thoughtful at home.

I do a lot of the housekeeping, cleaning, nursery runs, shopping etc all whilst running 2 companies and it makes me grumpy sometimes but my wife has said just recently that I don't speak to her very nicely at times.

I shouldn't allow myself to get so grumpy; what does it matter.
Dangerous in its own right. They then see you as a doormat and boring and look elsewhere to get their kicks

Trust me, I speak from experience wink

slippery

14,093 posts

239 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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People change so much as they get older and while some grow closer together as a result of that, many grow further apart. When people get together in their twenties (or younger), it's no surprise they end up splitting up later on, as more often than not they end up becoming completely different people. I bet most of those who have been through it and got themselves a new relationship knew a lot more about what they wanted in a partner second time around.

singlecoil

33,545 posts

246 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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ShawCrossShark said:
Censorious said:
The pain of rarely seeing them & seeing them with another bloke whom they might even start calling "Dad" would not be there any-more.

This thread has made me think about being more thoughtful at home.

I do a lot of the housekeeping, cleaning, nursery runs, shopping etc all whilst running 2 companies and it makes me grumpy sometimes but my wife has said just recently that I don't speak to her very nicely at times.

I shouldn't allow myself to get so grumpy; what does it matter.
Dangerous in its own right. They then see you as a doormat and boring and look elsewhere to get their kicks

Trust me, I speak from experience wink
There is some truth in this. I've not experienced it myself, but I have observed it. You also see the same thing with parents of adult children. The child that is compliant and reliable is rarely the one that gets the most attention.

ascayman

12,748 posts

216 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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Purity14 said:
olly22n said:
Purity14 said:
This is so true; the quickest way for a woman to leave you is to agree with EVERYTHING they say.
What would you like for dinner?
What films/channel on tv to watch?
Literally agreeing with everything they say; no matter how stupid.
So easy to do if you like them!
I would suggest just saying NO to something they want to do (no matter how reasonable the request is); one in five times. biggrin
So long as the question isn't 'fancy some sex?'

ascayman

12,748 posts

216 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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Purity14 said:
You need to say no to sex 1 in 5 times too; .
yikes

slippery

14,093 posts

239 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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olly22n said:
Purity14 said:
You need to say no to sex 1 in 5 times too; this will ensure that they don't feel that sex for them is just like turning on a tap and water coming out.
scratchchin

I see your point, I really do. But I just can't see it happening.
Especially if it's the first time they've actually asked in living memory! laugh

GT03ROB

13,262 posts

221 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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Purity14 said:
Sobering thread, I don't trust anyone enough and don't expect to trust anyone enough to marry someone let alone have kids.
I am too selfish.

But I would like to reply to this:

ShawCrossShark said:
Censorious said:
The pain of rarely seeing them & seeing them with another bloke whom they might even start calling "Dad" would not be there any-more.

This thread has made me think about being more thoughtful at home.

I do a lot of the housekeeping, cleaning, nursery runs, shopping etc all whilst running 2 companies and it makes me grumpy sometimes but my wife has said just recently that I don't speak to her very nicely at times.

I shouldn't allow myself to get so grumpy; what does it matter.
Dangerous in its own right. They then see you as a doormat and boring and look elsewhere to get their kicks

Trust me, I speak from experience wink
This is so true; the quickest way for a woman to leave you is to agree with EVERYTHING they say.
What would you like for dinner?
What films/channel on tv to watch?
Literally agreeing with everything they say; no matter how stupid.

If something exciting comes on TV and she says:
"I wanted to watch dinner date". Just apologise "I'm sorry, your right, lets watch dinner date."
"But you don't like dinner date!"
"I do, I promise." smile

The next time a man gives her a complement; they will be out for drinks.
Ironically; they will be agreeing about common interests. rofl
So much good relationship advice in this one string of posts. Censorious you've at least realised you need to change. Women forgive much, but they cannot stand grumpiness or you agreeing with everything. They want you to have a mind & life of your own (as long as it includes them!) smile

Hasbeen

2,073 posts

221 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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The first thing you must realise is she is with you because she expects you to know what to do, & get on with it. She knows she can't plan like you, & even if flattered, she will only be annoyed if you include her in working out your plans.

You can't worry out a problem with them, as you might with a mate, or business colleague. Where you & another man can throw up half baked thoughts, with no ego invested in them, & chase round a problem, until a plan develops, she can't do that.

If forced to, she will invest time & effort into developing a serious plan before voicing anything. Now you are in trouble. She has much more effort & ego invested than you would ever have. If you shoot holes in it, she will be offended. You will have to invest much effort getting out of going with her plan.

No better to present her with your plans, then let her shoot holes if she sees them, rather than try to plan together.

If you aren't working, & she is, you still have to have breakfast with her, & leave the house with or before her. You can just walk around the block, & go back to bed. if that is your desire, but you will cop it if you are having that second cup of coffee as she leaves.

Then even if you are somewhat older then her, make sure you retire simultaneously. Even if she professes to love her job, nothing makes a lady more cantankerous & hard to get on with than working on, after her man retires. What ever you do, don't make this mistake, or your retirement will be hell.

AndrewNR

267 posts

122 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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Veeayt said:
My bet would be that she has someone on side already. Been there, done that. Women are like monkeys, they swing from tree to tree without letting the first go before they have a firm hold of the next.
Superb use of a quote from MI 2.

Pommygranite

14,244 posts

216 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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stuttgartmetal said:
My wife left me after years and years of ice cold marriage.
She's the kind of person that can really torture you.
You know, proper cruelty.
Being the major breadwinner, she kept me on as a house help/security guard/maintenance man.
I tried to convince myself I could make it work.
I came home one night, with card dressings on my face and nose after Id had a cancer growth removed, and both my wife and daughter ignored me.
They were both not talking to me at the time.
The depression, mental torture was un bearable.
Things got worse, and in frustration I was just going mental.
An argument, or rather mis handled talking to my 14 year old daughter ended with me slapping her, and shouting at her. The said daughter told her mother she thought I was going to kill them both. Sure. After a slap.
Anyhow, they both left to my wifes friend, who became my daughter new surrogate Dad.
A difficult relationship, as this guy was married, with a sick child , and a hero.
Well, torture followed, I was subsequently arrested becuase Id shaken my wife by the lapels of her dressing gown.
Painted as a cruel and abusive Father I spent the next 2 years in the family home.
Black?
Don't go there, it was soo hard.
i got the divorce papers, and to this day havent spoken a sentence to my ex wife.
My now 18yo Uni student daughter still ignores me, and gets advice from others.
No doubt poisoned by my ex wife, I doubt Ill see her again, however I live in hope of her contacting me one day.
I think of her what, twenty thirty forty fifty, a hundred times a day.
Im not sure she knows what she's doing to me.

Well, my ex sorted a flat, and she's as happy as she is, Ive no idea how happy that is, thats her business, and not mine.
I sold my 993, and in the only bullet point letter to me, cold, she said it was pathetic that I had to sell the car I loved.
Hows that for gloating ?
I sold the house, and cleared our old life.
trips to charity shops, to the dump etc etc.
It was truly the hardest thing Ive done in my life.
Imagine clearing your daughter bedroom, where you knew the story of everything in it.
Had me on my ar e in tears plenty of times.

Any how, this all really tied up early 2012, and by July it was all over.
I passed her in a corridor a few times, that was wierd, however the dreams and subconcious processes in my brain prepared me for it.
Time apart, and processing what happened, becuase thats the key, helped me.
Ive seen her a couple of times since, and genuinely feel sorry for her.
She looks alone.
Her mother and grand mother both ended up alone.
Waking up alone in a quiet rooms so awful.
Cooking for yourself, going home to an empty flat every night, with nothing in her life except her job must be awful for her. Im sure if she hasn't got a new guy, she could easily get one.
However she'll never feel the passion I gave her, or she will find a man, a real man again.

I look back at it now, and it was a real eye opener as to how stupid I was.
She took me to the cleaner big time.
Washed me out for 3 years.
I was once sitting in the 993 in the garage with the keys in the ignition, one turn from ending it all, and let me tell you, thats quite a story, quite a voyage.


Three years on Im back in a 993, a C4S now, three years newer.
Leather dash, and every Turbo extra. LOL, but thats not the point.
I'll never be over her, but I do know I wouldn't go back to what it was like for the last 4 or five years of my marriage.
Tossed out like garbage, and a wreck, I've slowly fought back.
rebuilt a life, and learnt so much about myself.
Life experience you don't want, howver I now could write a book about it.

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.
You learn nothing from success, you only learn from failure.
Time heals.
Process whats happened from your point of view.
Get to acceptance.
Accept its over, and you can move on.
And most importantly, don't be bitter.
Rise above it all, and don't lower yourself to her cruelty.
Move on.
You'll win your life back.
All that sh t you have to give up to be in a relationship, you get back.
Youll be bigger, faster and stronger.

Your lifes quite empty right now.
Don't go out getting drunk, or doing gear.
Don't D and D
Draw into yourself, process it all.
Your ex has lost all respect for you, just as you had.
You will get your self respect back.
Don't blame yourself, its always fifty fifty, and she has a right to have whatever life she wants, and if that doesn't include you, well thats her shout.
You've just got to let her get on with it.
I doubt she's got another guy, just a load of a hole friends advising her, and her listening.
Well, she's over eighteen, let her get on with it, cos there's nothing you could or did or can do.

Who wanted the big house ?
You or her?

Who wanted the private schooling, you or her?
Who piled the pressure on?
Did you just do the best you could?
well here's a newsflash, you couldn't do it, and therefore youre not good enough for her.
F ck her.
You shouldve downsized the mortgage and got the kids in good schools, howver, I very much doubt that wouldve happened, as its not what she wanted.
Thats right.
Not what she would have wanted, so you were f cked either way.
You're not Donald F cking Trump.
How is that your fault?
What she wants, then as now, is what SHE wants.
Does that sound like fifty fifty marriage?
Huh?
You sound like you really tried, knocked your pipe out, and it wasn't enough, so she's dumped you.
Not stood back and assessed the terrain, and how you couldve kept the family together.
She spilt the family, because she couldn't get what she wanted.
What she wants is now what she wants, so remember that, and remember what you want is what you want.
You've fallen into the trap that you've tried to do everything she wanted, and she absolutely controlled you.
Sounds seriously similar.
My ex dropped me as soon as my daughter was self sufficient.
Its only now, now three years later I can look back and see what a cruel, ice cold, cold hearted person she was.
Karma will find a way.
Here's the best advice I can give you.

F ck her.
Let her get on with it.
Karma waits, and looks, just be a good father to your kids.
She will learn.
What man in his right mind wants some crazy bird with 3 kids FFS.
No matter how good a f ck she is, its just too much ballast.
She, and her advice giving mates, and those idiots don't live the life shes constructing, can jog on.
It sounds to me like you are better off without her.
She needs time alone, and if thats for the next ten or fifteen years, so be it.
She may find someone else, but he wont be half the man you are.
A Father to your kids, who would've done anything for her, and them.
The man, the father, willing to do anything for his wife or kids to hold the family together, nope, she'll find some sap.
She's never going to find someone like that again.
And that really hurts, hurts deep inside, because they just don't get that.
It's something she'll learn.
And its such a bitter bitter lesson, that turns the woman into a bitter bitter man hater.
Happens all the time.
Sounds like you'd have done anything for her, and once you;ve given her evrything, you're conquered, and no-one.
Well let her find out her own sorry, pathetic way.
Soundslikeyou would have done anything to fix it, only she didn;t want to.
and there's not a goddamn thing you couldve done about it.
She thinks that she really knows better.
Well, its a lonely life alone.

Find someone else, once youre back on top of your game you will,and be happy.

You've just got to get through it.
The pain doesn;t last forever, you've just got to stand back and process it.
Time brother, time will heal you.
Just grip on the hand rail of the up and down, backward and forward emotional roller coaster ride you are on, and get throught tthat dark tunnel your going through, and get to the other side, where we are all waiting for you, to see see the real you, the old you.

www.wikivorce.com.

Join up, and post there.
Proper help, not just car forum bullsh t.

Positive vibes to you brother. ++++++++++++++++ve


Just don't do anything she can slag you off to the kids for.
Be a good Dad.

In time, you'll look back and wonder what you saw in her.

I promise















Edited by stuttgartmetal on Monday 6th January 03:09
As poems go that's pretty st laugh



stuttgartmetal

8,108 posts

216 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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Pommygranite said:
As poems go that's pretty st laugh
Don't worry PG.
Nothing like that will ever ever happen to you.
You're just tooo like-able.
There's a Tip for ya.


Positive vibes o/p.
Just keep going.
Day by day.
You'll come out of the tunnel, into bright sunshine on the otherside sometime.
You'll get your life back.
And life will be good.

Stutts




Pommygranite

14,244 posts

216 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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stuttgartmetal said:
Pommygranite said:
As poems go that's pretty st laugh
Don't worry PG.
Nothing like that will ever ever happen to you.
You're just tooo like-able.
There's a Tip for ya.


Positive vibes o/p.
Just keep going.
Day by day.
You'll come out of the tunnel, into bright sunshine on the otherside sometime.
You'll get your life back.
And life will be good.

Stutts
Actually that absolutely happened to me.

Wise words though.



ShyTallKnight

2,208 posts

213 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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Reading threads like these makes me realise that we men are truly clueless when it comes to women. We may have a good job, be a good Dad, do our fair share round the house, look after the kids, allow our better halves the space and flexibility we think they need but alas it’s never good enough…. Why…?? Because basically ‘most’ women are selfish s pure and simple and when the going gets a wee bit tough they bail usually catastrophically. Notice I said most women and not all. If you have a woman in your life that takes any form of interest in ‘you’ and appreciates that a relationship is a two way street and puts in the hard work too then hang onto her they are very few and far between.

The above makes me sound so very bitter and twisted but I’m not I’m just older, much wiser and damn certain I’m never ever making the same mistake twice.

ETA: Actually No, they won't bail, these women are too weak to make a decision or take any responsibility so they'll just keep you hanging on, sometimes for years slowly making your life hell. You'll be constantly wondering what on earth is going on in their heads, trying to make things right and then out of the blue you'll discover something and the rest as they say is history....

Edited by ShyTallKnight on Wednesday 23 April 12:52