Things that annoy you beyond reason...? [Vol 3]

[blindswelledrat]

GTIR said:

Angry man is angry.

Everyone always thinks that and I am genuinely never EVER angry.
It's like a forum disability whereby I cant type anything without seeming like it's furious. Made worse by my refusal to use smileys.
Any posts I make that look angry, imagine same post with a winky smiley and you'll see them completely differently

[MartG]

blindswelledrat said:

Everyone always thinks that and I am genuinely never EVER angry .
It's like a forum disability whereby I cant type anything without seeming like it's furious . Made worse by my refusal to use smileys .
Any posts I make that look angry, imagine same post with a winky smiley and you'll see them completely differently

Fixed that for you

[kowalski655]

goldblum said:

As you don't quote your source I can't tell you not to use that particular website anymore, but I can completely assure you it's wrong. Oxford dictionary correctly completes the second definition of your (unsourced) quote:

2A person or thing regarded as a representative symbol or as worthy of veneration. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engli...

Venerate:Regard with great respect; revere: As in Philip of Beverley was venerated as a saint.

If you wish to elevate a car to the religious proportions of sainthood that's fine. Just don't use the word 'icon' to illustrate it.

But you're right, it's not annoying beyond reason. It's annoying and sloppy.

So by your own definitions an icon is: "person or thing regarded as a representative symbol or as worthy of regard with great respect",no mention of any sky fairy involvement required. I would rather revere a Bentley than a portrait of an imaginary bloke with a beard. So icon is fine,just dont use it to refer to a Morris Marina

[goldblum]

kowalski655 said:

So by your own definitions an icon is: "person or thing regarded as a representative symbol or as worthy of regard with great respect",no mention of any sky fairy involvement required. I would rather revere a Bentley than a portrait of an imaginary bloke with a beard. So icon is fine,just dont use it to refer to a Morris Marina

I haven't given you my own definition, isn't the link to the Oxford dictionary definition in my post clear enough?
However if you'd like to treat a metal box with the same level of veneration as a religious object/personage knock yourself out.

[Pothole]

yep, fits the brief perfectly...

[kowalski655]

goldblum said:

kowalski655 said:

So by your own definitions an icon is: "person or thing regarded as a representative symbol or as worthy of regard with great respect",no mention of any sky fairy involvement required. I would rather revere a Bentley than a portrait of an imaginary bloke with a beard. So icon is fine,just dont use it to refer to a Morris Marina

I haven't given you my own definition, isn't the link to the Oxford dictionary definition in my post clear enough?
However if you'd like to treat a metal box with the same level of veneration as a religious object/personage knock yourself out.

Perfectly clear,its the definition you use("your own definition") and a car fits that Oxford definition perfectly, so no reason why a metal box cant be venerated to the same or greater extent as a religious object. But this is a thread about annoyance beyond reason,so lets both knock ourselves out

[goldblum]

kowalski655 said:

so no reason why a metal box cant be venerated to the same or greater extent as a religious object.

Except a car isn't a religious object. If you can show me some cult that worships the automobile then I'll happily acknowledge your point, until then I'll think you just don't understand the correct usage of 'icon'.

[kowalski655]

But an icon doesnt HAVE to be religious!

According to:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engli...
"A person or thing regarded as a representative symbol or as worthy of veneration "
An example from that website:"America quickly embraced Pluto and Tombaugh as icons worthy of scientific superstardom, and the rest of the world quickly followed suit" No religion mentioned

(Collins & Merriam Webster have similar definitions, IN ADDITION TO the religious definition)

Edited by kowalski655 on Friday 9th May 18:47

[Pothole]

goldblum said:

kowalski655 said:

so no reason why a metal box cant be venerated to the same or greater extent as a religious object.

Except a car isn't a religious object. If you can show me some cult that worships the automobile then I'll happily acknowledge your point, until then I'll think you just don't understand the correct usage of 'icon'.

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[GTIR]

blindswelledrat said:

GTIR said:

Angry man is angry.

Everyone always thinks that and I am genuinely never EVER angry.
It's like a forum disability whereby I cant type anything without seeming like it's furious. Made worse by my refusal to use smileys.
Any posts I make that look angry, imagine same post with a winky smiley and you'll see them completely differently

I know.

You're just an easy target old boy.

[goldblum]

kowalski655 said:

But an icon doesnt HAVE to be religious!

According to:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engli...
"A person or thing regarded as a representative symbol or as worthy of veneration "

Yes, an icon does have to be religious, unless you are happy talking modern gobbledegook. My whole point is about the misuse of the word which you and a number of modern/Americanised dictionaries clearly demonstrate. Venerate is another - a religious term that means to revere/honour a saint in its original definition, no doubt you can find a link in a modern dictionary which will define it just as 'praise' of some sort though. I despair.

[cookmysock]

goldblum said:

kowalski655 said:

But an icon doesnt HAVE to be religious!

According to:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engli...
"A person or thing regarded as a representative symbol or as worthy of veneration "

Yes, an icon does have to be religious, unless you are happy talking modern gobbledegook. My whole point is about the misuse of the word which you and a number of modern/Americanised dictionaries clearly demonstrate. Venerate is another - a religious term that means to revere/honour a saint in its original definition, no doubt you can find a link in a modern dictionary which will define it just as 'praise' of some sort though. I despair.

sorry if a repost, but -

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[MartG]

goldblum said:

Yes, an icon does have to be religious, unless you are happy talking modern gobbledegook. My whole point is about the misuse of the word which you and a number of modern/Americanised dictionaries clearly demonstrate. Venerate is another - a religious term that means to revere/honour a saint in its original definition, no doubt you can find a link in a modern dictionary which will define it just as 'praise' of some sort though. I despair.

If an icon had to be religious, then the term 'religious icon' is redundant. As it is, religious icons are merely a subset of icons in general

[randomeddy]

My wife for getting in the car and telling me it needs petrol.
Yes dear I know it needs petrol,I have been watching the fuel gauge go down all week and I noticed the big orange light come on yesterday and I have noticed the big orange light that is on now when I started it up.
'Oh sorry,I am only telling you'.

[goldblum]

MartG said:

If an icon had to be religious, then the term 'religious icon' is redundant.

It is. Or it was. You would never have heard the term years ago. And the thing is that you can't invoke the 'evolvement of language' clause because through misuse the actual meaning of the word has changed and modern dictionaries have followed suit.

Don't like using Wiki but in this instance...(see 'modern culture): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon

[kowalski655]

Who is to say it is "misuse" of the word? Icon has been referring to people and things for a very long time and unless you are very old that is likely for all of your life. Language DOES evolve for all sorts of reasons....doth thou not concurre,verily!
Anyway,before more zzzzzzzz's, back to our scheduled moaning.

[kowalski655]

Double post..not even on an iPhone

[Hugo a Gogo]

I can wheel this joke out:

Out of Madonna, Tina Turner or Dolly Parton, which one is an icon?


haven't you heard of Icon Tina Turner?

[fatboy18]

[Stuck In A Lift]

The current bh fight on this thread.

Made me forgot was I was annoyed about in the first place.