Things that annoy you beyond reason...? [Vol 3]

[berlintaxi]

RobinOakapple said:

berlintaxi said:

fatboy18 said:

ell I don't see any white ones on those boats from Libya or at the port of Calais I went through recently, call it what you bloody well like, if there are a bunch of people hidden away in the back of a lorry they are trying to get into the UK illegally. FACT... Use the bloody Army, round them up and send them back.

Send them back to where? As most of them destroy any ID papers they are effectively stateless.

Calais, if that's where they came from.

But as they aren't French citizens the French could just refuse to allow them in.

[RobinOakapple]

berlintaxi said:

RobinOakapple said:

berlintaxi said:

fatboy18 said:

ell I don't see any white ones on those boats from Libya or at the port of Calais I went through recently, call it what you bloody well like, if there are a bunch of people hidden away in the back of a lorry they are trying to get into the UK illegally. FACT... Use the bloody Army, round them up and send them back.

Send them back to where? As most of them destroy any ID papers they are effectively stateless.

Calais, if that's where they came from.

But as they aren't French citizens the French could just refuse to allow them in.

Not if they got on board in Calais. Trick is to stop them as they are getting off the ferry.

[popeyewhite]

Munter said:

Indeed. But suggesting we need the military to do that, and to kick them out before deciding if they are legitimate, but rather based on how they look, which is in essence what's being suggested. That's no way to behave.

Well, if the asylum seekers looked like a gang of healthy young men from Libya I'd kick them out: If they looked like a family of Syrians fleeing terror I'd at least entertain them for a few moments while they tried to convince me of their right to be in the U.K. Then I'd kick them out too, using the army if necessary.

[AstonZagato]

DJFish said:

AstonZagato said:

This sign annoys me when ever I see it. I get the bridge but why is the water not flat?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meniscus

Which would be fine if the bridge were a couple of millimetres across. But it is well over 100ft.

[thismonkeyhere]

g3org3y said:

Out of interest, which ones do you buy?

I stick to Charles Tyrwhitt these days. Have found them to be of excellent quality and longevity, and with the least shrinkage. (Notwithstanding the aforementioned annoying shirt, which was from M&S).

[AstonZagato]

Jaska said:

fatboy18 said:

I just thought there is normally more water in the middle of the river and therefore that would be heavier causing it to sink a bit?

Not sure but with Henley regatta being so popular, it might be so that it is shaped more like a boat?

The boats used at HRR are flat along the sax board.

[Munter]

RobinOakapple said:

Thinking that radicalisation is a result of how illegal immigrants are treated is beyond naive.

2nd paragraph, 1st sentence. Does it mention immigration?

How some people are suggesting potential illegal immigrants should be treated is just an effect of what I was describing.

If you want to radicalise people in our society continue to treat them and people they feel are like them, with hatred and racism, then they will turn to any comforting voice they hear. Or if you don't want to create radicals in our society, treat everybody with the same respect.

The choice is yours. But the more angry "fking muslims immigrant bds" type posts, the more people feel that attitude exists in day to day life. The more we'll have home grown terrorists.

You're free to say what you like. But actions have consequences.

[RobinOakapple]

Munter said:

RobinOakapple said:

Thinking that radicalisation is a result of how illegal immigrants are treated is beyond naive.

2nd paragraph, 1st sentence. Does it mention immigration?

How some people are suggesting potential illegal immigrants should be treated is just an effect of what I was describing.

If you want to radicalise people in our society continue to treat them and people they feel are like them, with hatred and racism, then they will turn to any comforting voice they hear. Or if you don't want to create radicals in our society, treat everybody with the same respect.

The choice is yours. But the more angry "fking muslims immigrant bds" type posts, the more people feel that attitude exists in day to day life. The more we'll have home grown terrorists.

You're free to say what you like. But actions have consequences.

Radicalisation has virtually nothing to do with how those subject to it are treated by anybody else. Feeling apart from the rest of the world is built into the Muslim religion, couple that with the tendency of the young of any background to buy into religions and especially cults with their "this is where you are meant to be" message, and the tendency of young males to want to fight, and there you have it.

Muslims in this country are not treated in any way at all by the rest of the nation, they keep to themselves so much that there is little or no opportunity to treat them well or badly.

[Munter]

RobinOakapple said:

Muslims in this country are not treated in any way at all by the rest of the nation, they keep to themselves so much that there is little or no opportunity to treat them well or badly.

Again. You're just backing up what I'm saying with your attitude...

[RobinOakapple]

Munter said:

RobinOakapple said:

Muslims in this country are not treated in any way at all by the rest of the nation, they keep to themselves so much that there is little or no opportunity to treat them well or badly.

Again. You're just backing up what I'm saying with your attitude...

Well, if you can call an observation of an observable fact an attitude, then you are just showing that you don't have a valid argument...

[Munter]

RobinOakapple said:

Munter said:

RobinOakapple said:

Muslims in this country are not treated in any way at all by the rest of the nation, they keep to themselves so much that there is little or no opportunity to treat them well or badly.

Again. You're just backing up what I'm saying with your attitude...

Well, if you can call an observation of an observable fact an attitude, then you are just showing that you don't have a valid argument...

You are not presenting facts. I'm suggesting we try to learn from the Aarhus model which has seen some success in Denmark. You on the other hand appear to be suggesting everything is just fine...

[RobinOakapple]

Munter said:

RobinOakapple said:

Munter said:

RobinOakapple said:

Muslims in this country are not treated in any way at all by the rest of the nation, they keep to themselves so much that there is little or no opportunity to treat them well or badly.

Again. You're just backing up what I'm saying with your attitude...

Well, if you can call an observation of an observable fact an attitude, then you are just showing that you don't have a valid argument...

You are not presenting facts. I'm suggesting we try to learn from the Aarhus model which has seen some success in Denmark. You on the other hand appear to be suggesting everything is just fine...

I most certainly am. To say that I am not is in itself a non-fact.

Perhaps some of the other posters would like to chip in on this one? I'm off home so we can pick this up tomorrow, try not to end your response with an ellipsis this time.

[Munter]

RobinOakapple said:

I most certainly am. To say that I am not is in itself a non-fact.

Perhaps some of the other posters would like to chip in on this one? I'm off home so we can pick this up tomorrow, try not to end your response with an ellipsis this time.

We don't treat muslims differently is you argument/"fact".

Yet if they want to build a mosque: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...

I've never seen any protests against a new synagogue or church.

Things that annoy you beyond reason...? People who refuse to see the bleedin obvious.

[rohrl]

People mawkishly writing "it's dusty in here".

Pull yourselves together.

[JonRB]

rohrl said:

People mawkishly writing "it's dusty in here".

Pull yourselves together.

I have the opposite opinion. Saying "it's dusty in here" is, to me, saying "I'm too emotionally stunted to admit to showing emotion".

The whole "man up" / "pull yourself together" thing just exacerbates it.

[fatboy18]

Munter said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

AIUI most illegal immigrants enter legally...

I get the impression a lot of people in the UK think they can identify the difference between an illegal immigrant and a legal immigrant on sight. And I suspect they think the definition should be based on skin colour.

Now can we put this back into some perspective here. YOU Munter are the first person on this thread to mention Skin colour......Not me, it seems the minute someone mentions the word Immigrant you all flag up the Race card

1/ There are thousands of lorries going through British ports every day
2/ Our Border staff are severely undermanned and have openly admitted they can not check every lorry that comes into the UK.
3/ Padlocks are being smashed off lorries waiting to get into the port of Calais and Dunkirk and People from North Africa, and other parts of the world are trying to get into the UK.

4/ So why should the Army not be used to help border controls in this time of crisis? Would it be too offencive for you?

4/ Do you watch the News? Have you seen the people with no passports trying to get into the lorries? Well their Not Scandinavian are they? No they openly admit they have come from countries in North Africa and the Eastern region.

5/The French don't want them nor does Greece, Italy or many of the other European Countries. So they are trying to make it our problem.

So what's your suggestion, let everyone in and give them a big hug?

We now have certain families wanting to leave the UK and make their way to Far Eastern Countries, fine by me. Clearly they have not adjusted to western values, In the UK we are extremely tolerant and have given people of all colours and religions a peaceful place to live where they could make a good living if they wish, but for whatever reason some families of non christian religion have chosen to leave.
Fine. Please hand back your passports on the way out.

[Munter]

fatboy18 said:

So what's your suggestion, let everyone in and give them a big hug?

Use the border authority to police the border. It's not a massively radical sensationalist suggestion I realise. But just perhaps it's the best way of doing it.

As you point out. They don't have passports or any other ID we can trust. So how is Tommy and his SA80 going to decide who is and is not a legal immigrant?

And how do you think it would look to our population of legal immigrants to see people just like them being "processed" by soldiers who just a short while ago were shooting at people from the same part of the world?

Add in that these are men of action. Not paper pushers. It's not going to be pretty at some point. There will be an abuse of power, a court marshal, and joy, the army dragged through the mud again.

Or. Let the border force do it's job. Make the French do theirs. And just perhaps. Try treating individuals as individuals.

[fatboy18]

Munter said:

fatboy18 said:

So what's your suggestion, let everyone in and give them a big hug?

Use the border authority to police the border. It's not a massively radical sensationalist suggestion I realise. But just perhaps it's the best way of doing it.

As you point out. They don't have passports or any other ID we can trust. So how is Tommy and his SA80 going to decide who is and is not a legal immigrant?

And how do you think it would look to our population of legal immigrants to see people just like them being "processed" by soldiers who just a short while ago were shooting at people from the same part of the world?

Add in that these are men of action. Not paper pushers. It's not going to be pretty at some point. There will be an abuse of power, a court marshal, and joy, the army dragged through the mud again.

Or. Let the border force do it's job. Make the French do theirs. And just perhaps. Try treating individuals as individuals.

But the whole point of my original post is that the Border control can not do their job because they do not have the physical manpower! (they have openly admitted it).
We can't tell the French what to do, so its up to us to increase security on our own borders and to also stop the lorry drivers being intimidated by these people.

If a Legal immigrant is coming into the country, they are not going to be hiding in the back of a truck, are they!

Not ALL the troops would need to carrying arms, they could be working alongside the border control. But any illegal immigrant found to be carrying a weapon or who has intimated any Lorry drivers should be dealt with Harshly.

And anyway, this is what's annoying ME Beyond reason

Edited by fatboy18 on Thursday 2nd July 20:58

Edited by fatboy18 on Thursday 2nd July 21:00

[Einion Yrth]

JonRB said:

rohrl said:

People mawkishly writing "it's dusty in here".

Pull yourselves together.

I have the opposite opinion. Saying "it's dusty in here" is, to me, saying "I'm too emotionally stunted to admit to showing emotion".

The whole "man up" / "pull yourself together" thing just exacerbates it.

Or it's just a jokey way of saying that someone has become emotionally engaged enough to get a bit teary about something. Fuxake!

[R8VXF]

Can you fkers arguing about immigration fk out out this thread. You are annoying the fk out of me. This is not a political soapbox to argue from!