Katie Hopkins - vacuous moron
Discussion
rohrl said:
NicD said:
Show me the two direct quotes, i am not familiar with either.
Goebbels' diary 27/03/1942 - "The Jews will destroy us if we do not defend ourselves against them. There is a war of life and death against the Jewish virus."Katie Hopkins - "No, I don’t care. Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. I still don’t care. Because in the next minute you’ll show me pictures of aggressive young men at Calais, spreading like norovirus on a cruise ship...this plague of feral humans...Make no mistake, these migrants are like cockroaches..."
The two statements are NOT echos of each other..
KH makes an extreme point but one that is rather hard to argue against.
Stop these poor people leaving their shores to undertake perilous journeys, enriching merciless people smugglers and ending up attempting to break into the UK.
Tell me that is wrong. But try to make a coherent argument.
drivin_me_nuts said:
What is happening in the waters between Africa and Italy is truly awful.
Desperate peoples crave a life beyond deprivation and misery and many die trying to make that possible. They are not cockroaches, they are not viruses, they are often desperate peoples who have been on the sharp and pointed end of some of the most extreme human brutality and oppression that we as a species have developed and quite happily and willingly use against one another.
As has been demonstrated time and time again on PH in very positive ways, words change lives, change thoughts, drive actions and deeds. Then just take a long hard look at what and how she writes. Hers are the words of withdrawal and separation, of disassociation, disconnection and worse, casual indifference; not caring.
Not caring; without care, without compassion for another human being's suffering.
Of course there are issues surrounding immigration into this country. But what she describes is a brutal and dispassionate mental approach that has scant regard and compassion for basic humanity. That, sadly is the virus she and her kind engender. It is the virus of apathy and me first. It is spread by cockroaches such as her who scuttle through life dropping their waste on the world, contaminating our lives with crap.
Didn't these desperately sad,miserable people just chuck a load of others overboard?Desperate peoples crave a life beyond deprivation and misery and many die trying to make that possible. They are not cockroaches, they are not viruses, they are often desperate peoples who have been on the sharp and pointed end of some of the most extreme human brutality and oppression that we as a species have developed and quite happily and willingly use against one another.
As has been demonstrated time and time again on PH in very positive ways, words change lives, change thoughts, drive actions and deeds. Then just take a long hard look at what and how she writes. Hers are the words of withdrawal and separation, of disassociation, disconnection and worse, casual indifference; not caring.
Not caring; without care, without compassion for another human being's suffering.
Of course there are issues surrounding immigration into this country. But what she describes is a brutal and dispassionate mental approach that has scant regard and compassion for basic humanity. That, sadly is the virus she and her kind engender. It is the virus of apathy and me first. It is spread by cockroaches such as her who scuttle through life dropping their waste on the world, contaminating our lives with crap.
Some observations:
1.I believe that Katie Hopkins has been like this for many years. Possibly her entire life. Anyone remember "The Apprentice"?
2.She has realised that such comments are lapped up by the media, both left and right wing.
3.She has cynically manipulated this situation to carve a career for her self as the "go to" right-wing gobs
te of choice
4.To secure work and remain relevant, her views have to become even more controversial and offensive.
Eventually,she'll say or do something so bad she will either be (a) physically attacked by some group or individual (b) sacked ala Clarkson. I think it's only a matter of time, in fact I think she's already been dropped by "This Morning" for her previous form.
I'm not even sure if it's worth debating with someone like this, as she displays all the traits of sociopathy/psycopathy. Still, as long as she keeps selling newspapers and keeping those viewing figures up, eh?
1.I believe that Katie Hopkins has been like this for many years. Possibly her entire life. Anyone remember "The Apprentice"?
2.She has realised that such comments are lapped up by the media, both left and right wing.
3.She has cynically manipulated this situation to carve a career for her self as the "go to" right-wing gobs
te of choice4.To secure work and remain relevant, her views have to become even more controversial and offensive.
Eventually,she'll say or do something so bad she will either be (a) physically attacked by some group or individual (b) sacked ala Clarkson. I think it's only a matter of time, in fact I think she's already been dropped by "This Morning" for her previous form.
I'm not even sure if it's worth debating with someone like this, as she displays all the traits of sociopathy/psycopathy. Still, as long as she keeps selling newspapers and keeping those viewing figures up, eh?
NicD said:
and this from last night:
'700 feared dead after migrants desperate to get into Europe rush towards rescue ship and capsize their packed fishing boat '
It is just awful.
Super awful, the incentive to come to Europe via this mode has to disappear - Pay the people traffickers to keep people with their own people in their own environment. '700 feared dead after migrants desperate to get into Europe rush towards rescue ship and capsize their packed fishing boat '
It is just awful.
Mermaid said:
NicD said:
and this from last night:
'700 feared dead after migrants desperate to get into Europe rush towards rescue ship and capsize their packed fishing boat '
It is just awful.
Super awful, the incentive to come to Europe via this mode has to disappear - Pay the people traffickers to keep people with their own people in their own environment. '700 feared dead after migrants desperate to get into Europe rush towards rescue ship and capsize their packed fishing boat '
It is just awful.
john2443 said:
She seems to be in a bit of trouble today...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
Society of black lawyers? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
Axionknight said:
john2443 said:
She seems to be in a bit of trouble today...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
Society of black lawyers? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
Axionknight said:
john2443 said:
She seems to be in a bit of trouble today...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
Society of black lawyers? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
Vaud said:
Axionknight said:
john2443 said:
She seems to be in a bit of trouble today...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
Society of black lawyers? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
The complainant doesn't do himself any favours with this crass generalisation and mud slinging:
'almost certainly all “trafficked” persons facing intimidation, violence and extortion at the point of departure represent some of the most vulnerable people in international law at the present time. Many will have legitimate claims for asylum under the 1951 Geneva Convention.
The use of this term employs a word used with devastating results to describe the Tutsi minority and Hutu moderates during the 1994 Rwanda genocide when they were referred to by those responsible for the genocide as “cockroaches”. This fact is well known to journalists and is a matter of historical record proved by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) in several judgments.'
'almost certainly all “trafficked” persons facing intimidation, violence and extortion at the point of departure represent some of the most vulnerable people in international law at the present time. Many will have legitimate claims for asylum under the 1951 Geneva Convention.
The use of this term employs a word used with devastating results to describe the Tutsi minority and Hutu moderates during the 1994 Rwanda genocide when they were referred to by those responsible for the genocide as “cockroaches”. This fact is well known to journalists and is a matter of historical record proved by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) in several judgments.'
Mermaid said:
Vaud said:
Axionknight said:
john2443 said:
She seems to be in a bit of trouble today...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
Society of black lawyers? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
55palfers said:
Mermaid said:
Vaud said:
Axionknight said:
john2443 said:
She seems to be in a bit of trouble today...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
Society of black lawyers? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...
NicD said:
The complainant doesn't do himself any favours with this crass generalisation and mud slinging:
'almost certainly all “trafficked” persons facing intimidation, violence and extortion at the point of departure represent some of the most vulnerable people in international law at the present time. Many will have legitimate claims for asylum under the 1951 Geneva Convention.
The use of this term employs a word used with devastating results to describe the Tutsi minority and Hutu moderates during the 1994 Rwanda genocide when they were referred to by those responsible for the genocide as “cockroaches”. This fact is well known to journalists and is a matter of historical record proved by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) in several judgments.'
Why is that a crass generalisation or mud slinging? When a human describes other humans as cockroaches what kind of response do you feel is adequate? Could you think of another word that could be more dehumanising? Are you not in agreement that it's the language of genocide? 'almost certainly all “trafficked” persons facing intimidation, violence and extortion at the point of departure represent some of the most vulnerable people in international law at the present time. Many will have legitimate claims for asylum under the 1951 Geneva Convention.
The use of this term employs a word used with devastating results to describe the Tutsi minority and Hutu moderates during the 1994 Rwanda genocide when they were referred to by those responsible for the genocide as “cockroaches”. This fact is well known to journalists and is a matter of historical record proved by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) in several judgments.'
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