Evolution Vs Creation

[burwoodman]

Well done chaps- you managed an all nighter

[Nick M]

anonymous said:

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Then send me one - I'm sure my daughter would love it.

And to be clear, I want a real, living, breathing rainbow coloured unicorn - not a painted Shetland pony with a bog roll stuck on its nose. I've just thought of the exact thing I want, so therefore it must exist somewhere, no ?

[ofcorsa]

IF God is proved to exist, where does that leave faith?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

anonymous said:

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Close but no cigar. I'm an atheist. I am not saying explicitly and specifically that there is no God. I am saying that given the lack of any evidence whatsoever of god's existence, and the fact that everything we've ever come to understand about the world around us can be explained without recourse to the supernatural, I don't believe there is a god.

In everyday life, that may translate to "there is no god." Just as I would say that the Queen is not a shape shifting lizard as David Icke claims. Because the possibility of it being so is so remotely small that it doesn't merit my serious consideration.

[kowalski655]

If a god,any god,appeared in Time Square,then atheists would believe in god*....as they are rational. It will never happen though as god only appears to nutters.

• Subject to actual proof of godliness of course.

[WinstonWolf]

ChrisGB said:

iwantagta said:

Engineer1 said:

Chris I split the word into its two parts A - without, Theist - god.

And atheists do good for the most natural reasons it makes things much, much easier if you all get on, and help each other.

Rather than because an imaginary friend says its good besides atheist morals and rules are saner than god's poly-cotton working on the Sabbath, etc. Killing people because they perform abortions etc.

If an atheist made the 10 commandments, for man to live by, would he/she have used the first 3 to tell everyone they needed to be nice to them?

For an omnipotent being he really does seem to have some jealousy & self worth issues.

So fundamentalist Jews might deserve your scorn. So what?

If you don't put water on a babies head that baby will burn in a fiery hell for all eternity, right?
And faggots, God fking hates faggots...

Now sing songs about how nice God is....

[xRIEx]

ChrisGB said:

Engineer1 said:

No A Theist is

But if you are an atheist (sic!)

You do realise that you used 'sic' in the exact opposite sense to its actual meaning?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

kowalski655 said:

If a god,any god,appeared in Time Square.

I think god has a touch of claustrophobia. He doesn't do crowds. Would never pop up in Times Sq. Seems to always appear up a mountain of in a desert, to some bloke on his tod.

I can confidently predict god's next appearance will be somewhere remote, and not in the tinned food isle of Asda at 11am on a Saturday morning.

[IainT]

ChrisGB said:

"Being atheist doesn't mean one believes there is no God". Hmmm, sounds like exactly what it means, unless you're inventing a new word. It's strange how people who believe in no god find the meaning of simple words so hard to grasp.

Condescending twunt in condescending post shocker.

[The Hitman]

ofcorsa said:

IF God is proved to exist, where does that leave faith?

I've said this before, but lets see if it'll sink in this time....

"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed
Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved"

This isn't an attack on the Religious, you are welcome to your faith, but at the same time I have my own way of looking at things. That way is to look at what has been proven to work, and what has been proven not to work. Since modern science has been "discovered" every single aspect of day to day human life has changed for the better. Compare that to when Jesus was meant to be alive.

Also something else to consider..

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

So the question is, which one of these does God fall under?

[durbster]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I can confidently predict god's next appearance will be somewhere remote, and not in the tinned food isle of Asda at 11am on a Saturday morning.

Too risky, there's yeast all over the place a supermarket.

[WinstonWolf]

durbster said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I can confidently predict god's next appearance will be somewhere remote, and not in the tinned food isle of Asda at 11am on a Saturday morning.

Too risky, there's yeast all over the place a supermarket.

If he did appear in a supermarket it would be in the fruitcake aisle.

[Engineer1]

If Jesus came back he'd be on serious meds or locked up in an asylum somewhere because despite how keen some parts of the bible belt are on the end times they would freak if it actually happened.

[xRIEx]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

kowalski655 said:

If a god,any god,appeared in Time Square.

I think god has a touch of claustrophobia. He doesn't do crowds. Would never pop up in Times Sq. Seems to always appear up a mountain of in a desert, to some bloke on his tod.

I can confidently predict god's next appearance will be somewhere remote, and not in the tinned food isle of Asda at 11am on a Saturday morning.

He's not very clever, God. Imparting your laws and wisdom to people suffering from sunstroke or reduced oxygen levels is a risky business, they're in danger of not remembering things as they exactly happened, or hallucinating, etc.

[IainT]

One wonders why the ancients, when given words directly from god, didn't manage to preserve those first writings... You'd think that something so sacred would be preserved above all but we're reliant on what are allegedly copies of copies of copies as the oldest known versions.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

IainT said:

One wonders why the ancients, when given words directly from god, didn't manage to preserve those first writings... You'd think that something so sacred would be preserved above all but we're reliant on what are allegedly copies of copies of copies as the oldest known versions.

Well god made a boob when he gave the tablets of stone to Moses, as Moses had a bit of a temper. So much so, that when he returned with the 10 commandments, he was so furious that the people weren't obeying them (even though he hadn't given the commandments to them yet so they nothing about them), that he smashed them in anger.

[Engineer1]

Well despite their leader having a direct line to the one true god they did decide to worship other gods... Almost as though the Moses god is as made up as the rest.

[kowalski655]

Engineer1 said:

If Jesus came back he'd be on serious meds or locked up in an asylum somewhere ....

"If the real Jesus Christ was to stand up today
He'd be gunned down cold by the CIA"
. The The,Armageddon days are here again

A 30(?) year old song,still pretty damn relevant today

Edited by kowalski655 on Saturday 10th May 18:10

[DickyC]

Chris - have you discussed if you had been brought up in another faith whether you would have converted to the God you believe in presently or if you can concede you might be a devotee of the other One?

[ChrisGB]

wisbech said:

ChrisGB said:

Justify an objective morality without appeal to classical theism.
Atheists may do good, but have no rational justification for their choice.
And without an objective morality, choosing good will be hit and miss.

Objective morality can't be justified, even with classical theism. What the gods of classical theism appear to justify as good or not good is as hit or miss as an individual's choice. For example, Mohammed's massacre of the Jewish prisoners, and much of the Old Testament. Or death penalty for apostasy (Islam) or adultery (bible or Islam). Killing someone for screwing someone else may be gods morality, but then their morality sucks donkey balls.

Objective morality is natural law for humans - what is good for a thing is determined by the ends its natural faculties exist for. Nothing to do with fundamentalist readings of OT.