Women, and their understanding of the physical world ?
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xRIEx said:
Regarding cooking times, for all we know recipes/instructions allow for the negligible drop in oven temperature.
Ooh! Good counter argument! 
And how accurate is the thermostat on a domestic oven?
I couldn't use the "over temperature compensation method" I'd get side-tracked/distracted and forget to reset the temp and proceed to burn tea!
Carthage said:
Apologies, I didn't realise you genuinely didn't understand that:
1. Ovens have thermostats which ensure that the heat set (for example 150) is reached during preheat, at which time there is usually a light signal.
2. If the oven door is opened, heat will escape (that's why we cook with them closed) thus reducing the temperature below the desired 150 and making it harder to accurately judge cooking times.
You may not care if you have to wait longer for your food, while the oven reheats, or you may prefer it undercooked. You may indeed be ninja-fast in your opening of the door and depositing the food.
Many of us, though (women and men) prefer to set the oven to a slightly higher preheat temp to allow for the drop in temperature.
(I'm going to ignore all the personal insults about me as they do you no credit).
Hang on, I'm coming to this thread halfway through so please excuse me if I've missed something.1. Ovens have thermostats which ensure that the heat set (for example 150) is reached during preheat, at which time there is usually a light signal.
2. If the oven door is opened, heat will escape (that's why we cook with them closed) thus reducing the temperature below the desired 150 and making it harder to accurately judge cooking times.
You may not care if you have to wait longer for your food, while the oven reheats, or you may prefer it undercooked. You may indeed be ninja-fast in your opening of the door and depositing the food.
Many of us, though (women and men) prefer to set the oven to a slightly higher preheat temp to allow for the drop in temperature.
(I'm going to ignore all the personal insults about me as they do you no credit).
You think setting a cooker to 150 deg, then when it gets there, opening the door for 2 seconds to bang the pie in for 30 minutes makes a jot of difference?
mildmannered said:
xRIEx said:
Regarding cooking times, for all we know recipes/instructions allow for the negligible drop in oven temperature.
Ooh! Good counter argument! And how accurate is the thermostat on a domestic oven?
I couldn't use the "over temperature compensation method" I'd get side-tracked/distracted and forget to reset the temp and proceed to burn tea!
I think accuracy of thermostats varies wildly, hence why recipes/instructions almost always say "adjust cooking time/temperature for your oven."
The shape of what you're cooking also makes a difference: thin and spread out - shorter duration and higher temperature; thick and chunky - longer duration with a lower temperature.
Ari said:
Hang on, I'm coming to this thread halfway through so please excuse me if I've missed something.
You think setting a cooker to 150 deg, then when it gets there, opening the door for 2 seconds to bang the pie in for 30 minutes makes a jot of difference?
Hello, you! You think setting a cooker to 150 deg, then when it gets there, opening the door for 2 seconds to bang the pie in for 30 minutes makes a jot of difference?
How about you re-read rather than I repeat?
xRIEx said:
Thank you.
I think accuracy of thermostats varies wildly, hence why recipes/instructions almost always say "adjust cooking time/temperature for your oven."
The shape of what you're cooking also makes a difference: thin and spread out - shorter duration and higher temperature; thick and chunky - longer duration with a lower temperature.
Maybe recipes do take it into account, and I suspect oven thermostats are wildly inaccurate. Some people still choose to preheat higher to avoid the drop though. Cooking, and setting oven temperatures is more of an art, I think, than a science (I never cook, personally, being feral). I think accuracy of thermostats varies wildly, hence why recipes/instructions almost always say "adjust cooking time/temperature for your oven."
The shape of what you're cooking also makes a difference: thin and spread out - shorter duration and higher temperature; thick and chunky - longer duration with a lower temperature.
Still doesn't make people who prefer to set it higher to allow for the drop 'mindbogglingly stupid' though, be they male or female.
Ari said:
Carthage said:
Apologies, I didn't realise you genuinely didn't understand that:
1. Ovens have thermostats which ensure that the heat set (for example 150) is reached during preheat, at which time there is usually a light signal.
2. If the oven door is opened, heat will escape (that's why we cook with them closed) thus reducing the temperature below the desired 150 and making it harder to accurately judge cooking times.
You may not care if you have to wait longer for your food, while the oven reheats, or you may prefer it undercooked. You may indeed be ninja-fast in your opening of the door and depositing the food.
Many of us, though (women and men) prefer to set the oven to a slightly higher preheat temp to allow for the drop in temperature.
(I'm going to ignore all the personal insults about me as they do you no credit).
Hang on, I'm coming to this thread halfway through so please excuse me if I've missed something.1. Ovens have thermostats which ensure that the heat set (for example 150) is reached during preheat, at which time there is usually a light signal.
2. If the oven door is opened, heat will escape (that's why we cook with them closed) thus reducing the temperature below the desired 150 and making it harder to accurately judge cooking times.
You may not care if you have to wait longer for your food, while the oven reheats, or you may prefer it undercooked. You may indeed be ninja-fast in your opening of the door and depositing the food.
Many of us, though (women and men) prefer to set the oven to a slightly higher preheat temp to allow for the drop in temperature.
(I'm going to ignore all the personal insults about me as they do you no credit).
You think setting a cooker to 150 deg, then when it gets there, opening the door for 2 seconds to bang the pie in for 30 minutes makes a jot of difference?
Thermostats are lost on my OH too. I installed an all singing, all dancing wireless programmable thermostat in my house, set it up so the house was a comfortable 19 degrees in the morning and evening, even set up the optimum start feature, so the house is preheated for the time I set.
I've lost count of the amount of times I've come home and the thing is set to manual mode with a target temp of 28 degrees! Reason being it heats the house quicker.
Most of my Male and Female customers can't seem to grasp the concept of thermostatic radiator valves.They pay to have them installed, I try to explain that the valve turns the radiator off when the room has reached temperature and that settings 2-3 are comfortable. Often come back to find them all on 0 or 5.
Rickyy said:
I doubt it, I'd imagine a lot of heat from a warm oven is retained within its casing, rather than solely relying on air temperature. Plus the thermostat probably has a hysteresis of around +/- 5degrees, so will continually be cycling between 145-155 degrees anyway.
Thermostats are lost on my OH too. I installed an all singing, all dancing wireless programmable thermostat in my house, set it up so the house was a comfortable 19 degrees in the morning and evening, even set up the optimum start feature, so the house is preheated for the time I set.
I've lost count of the amount of times I've come home and the thing is set to manual mode with a target temp of 28 degrees! Reason being it heats the house quicker.
Most of my Male and Female customers can't seem to grasp the concept of thermostatic radiator valves.They pay to have them installed, I try to explain that the valve turns the radiator off when the room has reached temperature and that settings 2-3 are comfortable. Often come back to find them all on 0 or 5.
To summarise your post:Thermostats are lost on my OH too. I installed an all singing, all dancing wireless programmable thermostat in my house, set it up so the house was a comfortable 19 degrees in the morning and evening, even set up the optimum start feature, so the house is preheated for the time I set.
I've lost count of the amount of times I've come home and the thing is set to manual mode with a target temp of 28 degrees! Reason being it heats the house quicker.
Most of my Male and Female customers can't seem to grasp the concept of thermostatic radiator valves.They pay to have them installed, I try to explain that the valve turns the radiator off when the room has reached temperature and that settings 2-3 are comfortable. Often come back to find them all on 0 or 5.
You cook with the oven door open
. as 'heat from a warm oven is retained within its casing, rather than solely relying on air temperature' (although 'solely' suggests air temp is the key factor).Your OH doesn't find 19 degrees as 'comfortable' as you do, either that or the time you set suits you, but not her (I find 19 cold too but dress for the arctic instead).
You target the 'quite mad' segment of the radiator buying public.
Carthage said:
Rickyy said:
I doubt it, I'd imagine a lot of heat from a warm oven is retained within its casing, rather than solely relying on air temperature. Plus the thermostat probably has a hysteresis of around +/- 5degrees, so will continually be cycling between 145-155 degrees anyway.
Thermostats are lost on my OH too. I installed an all singing, all dancing wireless programmable thermostat in my house, set it up so the house was a comfortable 19 degrees in the morning and evening, even set up the optimum start feature, so the house is preheated for the time I set.
I've lost count of the amount of times I've come home and the thing is set to manual mode with a target temp of 28 degrees! Reason being it heats the house quicker.
Most of my Male and Female customers can't seem to grasp the concept of thermostatic radiator valves.They pay to have them installed, I try to explain that the valve turns the radiator off when the room has reached temperature and that settings 2-3 are comfortable. Often come back to find them all on 0 or 5.
To summarise your post:Thermostats are lost on my OH too. I installed an all singing, all dancing wireless programmable thermostat in my house, set it up so the house was a comfortable 19 degrees in the morning and evening, even set up the optimum start feature, so the house is preheated for the time I set.
I've lost count of the amount of times I've come home and the thing is set to manual mode with a target temp of 28 degrees! Reason being it heats the house quicker.
Most of my Male and Female customers can't seem to grasp the concept of thermostatic radiator valves.They pay to have them installed, I try to explain that the valve turns the radiator off when the room has reached temperature and that settings 2-3 are comfortable. Often come back to find them all on 0 or 5.
You cook with the oven door open
. as 'heat from a warm oven is retained within its casing, rather than solely relying on air temperature' (although 'solely' suggests air temp is the key factor).Your OH doesn't find 19 degrees as 'comfortable' as you do, either that or the time you set suits you, but not her (I find 19 cold too but dress for the arctic instead).
You target the 'quite mad' segment of the radiator buying public.
The times are set for when we are both at home, she also sets it to the off position when it gets too hot and forgets to put it back to auto so we wake up to a freezing cold house! She also does this with the thermostat on the radiators!
Leave me alone, I included Men and Women in my radiator rant!
Zwolf said:
Idiocy is neither determined by nor determinate of gender.
Well, quite. The issue that some of us take is that some posters on PH use a moment of idiocy from a woman as representative of all women. We then get threads like these where everyone competes to belittle their OH to a forum of strangers.Frankly, I find it weird that anyone would boast about their OH having a senior moment but there you go.
Rickyy said:
No, you've misunderstood. I was agreeing with the previous poster that opening the oven door for a second or two isn't going to make a huge difference to the temperature of the oven as the metal casing stores a lot of the heat, rather than the air inside the oven storing all of it.
The times are set for when we are both at home, she also sets it to the off position when it gets too hot and forgets to put it back to auto so we wake up to a freezing cold house! She also does this with the thermostat on the radiators!
Leave me alone, I included Men and Women in my radiator rant!
1. I understood perfectly, but unless one of us could be bothered to determine the actual heat loss, none of us will ever know whether the Higher Preheaters have the one true path or not. The times are set for when we are both at home, she also sets it to the off position when it gets too hot and forgets to put it back to auto so we wake up to a freezing cold house! She also does this with the thermostat on the radiators!
Leave me alone, I included Men and Women in my radiator rant!
2. Buy your OH a thermal onesie.
3. Agreed - you seem to be adept at finding mad customers of both (all?) genders.
J4CKO said:
There is more, just cant remember it just now, is your OH like this ?
Something I keep reminding my wife: You are an expert at giving advice to people who are already doing something!She is great at telling me how to drive, until I offer to let her take over.
She is great at finding places when we are driving, until I offer to let her take over.
She is great at parking in small car parks, until I let her loose in the car.
She is great at organising trips or days out, until I tell her to do it.
She is great at finding information out, until I send her to find it.
She is great at planning things, until we actually have to follow one of her plans.
Her favourite phrase is: Why don't you just........
Which I tell her implies that the person she is speaking to is some sort of idiot.
King Herald said:
Something I keep reminding my wife: You are an expert at giving advice to people who are already doing something!
She is great at telling me how to drive, until I offer to let her take over.
She is great at finding places when we are driving, until I offer to let her take over.
She is great at parking in small car parks, until I let her loose in the car.
She is great at organising trips or days out, until I tell her to do it.
She is great at finding information out, until I send her to find it.
She is great at planning things, until we actually have to follow one of her plans.
Her favourite phrase is: Why don't you just........
Which I tell her implies that the person she is speaking to is some sort of idiot.
Oh yes indeed. She is great at telling me how to drive, until I offer to let her take over.
She is great at finding places when we are driving, until I offer to let her take over.
She is great at parking in small car parks, until I let her loose in the car.
She is great at organising trips or days out, until I tell her to do it.
She is great at finding information out, until I send her to find it.
She is great at planning things, until we actually have to follow one of her plans.
Her favourite phrase is: Why don't you just........
Which I tell her implies that the person she is speaking to is some sort of idiot.
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