Stop saying "Demond" !!!

Stop saying "Demond" !!!

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AndyDubbya

949 posts

285 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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227bhp said:
Cliftonite said:
Impasse said:
How do you pronounce Paris?
How do you pronounce Rioja?
Ree ocka.

What about Merlot? The woman in my local wine outlet calls it Mer lot as a council dweller or 5yr old would.
Mind you, I asked her to describe a wine for me and the best she could come up with was 'Nice'. Which is a place in France or a biscuit and not an adjective for describing wine.
How about Moët then, as in the shorthand for the champagne?

Google it, but prepare to have your mind blown...

Europa1

10,923 posts

189 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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AndyDubbya said:
227bhp said:
Cliftonite said:
Impasse said:
How do you pronounce Paris?
How do you pronounce Rioja?
Ree ocka.

What about Merlot? The woman in my local wine outlet calls it Mer lot as a council dweller or 5yr old would.
Mind you, I asked her to describe a wine for me and the best she could come up with was 'Nice'. Which is a place in France or a biscuit and not an adjective for describing wine.
How about Moët then, as in the shorthand for the champagne?

Google it, but prepare to have your mind blown...
My understanding is that for the champagne it's a hard "t" because of the umlaunt over the "e".

militantmandy

3,829 posts

187 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Coincidence? I think not! The dark one is among us....


ATG

20,691 posts

273 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Cliftonite said:
Impasse said:
How do you pronounce Paris?
How do you pronounce Rioja?
"Plonk"

thebraketester

14,276 posts

139 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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AndyDubbya said:
How about Moët then, as in the shorthand for the champagne?

Google it, but prepare to have your mind blown...
I would say Moway... Even though I'm sure it's Mowet.... Looked into this a while back when some clown thought it was pronounced "Merr" (as In gold frankincense and.....)

Eric Mc

122,144 posts

266 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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I go with Freddie Mercury. He knew his wines.

The Don of Croy

6,005 posts

160 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Eric Mc said:
I go with Freddie Mercury. He knew his wines.
True, but he should have tried to find a rhyme for armoire, too.

feef

5,206 posts

184 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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thebraketester said:
AndyDubbya said:
How about Moët then, as in the shorthand for the champagne?

Google it, but prepare to have your mind blown...
I would say Moway... Even though I'm sure it's Mowet.... Looked into this a while back when some clown thought it was pronounced "Merr" (as In gold frankincense and.....)
It's a proper noun of Dutch origin (founder's name) and although it's a French champagne, the fact it is a proper noun means it doesn't follow the normal rules, so it's moh-eht rather than moway

RichB

51,717 posts

285 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Hugo a Gogo said:
how do you pronounce croissant?
With a silent R and a silent T

French pronunciation is all about the letters you do not say as opposed to American which is all about cramming as many letters in as possible wink

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

138 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Not just the yanks, people who pronounce Parliament as Par Leer Ment drive me nuts.

RichB

51,717 posts

285 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Mayor pronounced as May'or as opposed to Mair.

Goaty Bill 2

3,422 posts

120 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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RichB said:
Mayor pronounced as May'or as opposed to Mair.
I blame May or West for that.


Disastrous

10,090 posts

218 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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feef said:
MarshPhantom said:
227bhp said:
MarshPhantom said:
227bhp said:
Impasse said:
FRA53R said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
how do you pronounce croissant?
Good question, I pronounce it cruh-sant with a silent t. It's quite difficult to explain without saying it. There's certainly no w anywhere near it.
How do you pronounce Paris?
It depends where I am, in France: Paree, in the UK; Paris.

When In Rome....
But you're just saying Paris in a French accent, rather than getting the name correct.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LladzUJ86ao

Correct in whose eyes (ears!) though? The French or us? 'Le mon' or 'Lee Man's'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F77nKsfuGQ
There doesn't seem to be a right or a wrong.
Would you say Glasgee rather than Glasgow if you're in Scotland?
Nope, never heard a weegie say "glasgee" nor "glasgae" which is what a lot of English folk seem to think Weegies call it,

Glesga, now that's closer to the mark
Agreed. Nobody in Glasgow has ever called it that.

I'm always baffled when people from England say things like "Och aye!! GlasgEEEEEE!" excitedly, as if they've just successfully blended in with the crowd in an Govan shipyard.

It would be the same as me going to London and doing an impression of Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins and staring expectantly at my admirers for my applause at so skilfully mimicking the fine nuance of cockney.

Out of interest, is it fair to say that Southerners generally have a fking tin ear when it comes to accents other than theirs? Not meant as having a go, but anecdotally, the Scottish, Irish, Northern people I know tend to be quite good at accents, generally, either imitating or understanding. All the Londoners I know either can't or pretend they can't understand anyone that's not from London and any attempt at an accent just sounds like them doing a bad impression of an Indian. Is that a 'thing' and is there a reason for it?

RichB

51,717 posts

285 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Disastrous said:
...Out of interest, is it fair to say that Southerners generally have a fking tin ear when it comes to accents other than theirs? Not meant as having a go <clip>...
But I will do anyway! rofl

p.s. I guess it's no different to northerners thinking all Londoners are Cockneys wink Remember the arguments on here about Peter Kay not having a good cockney accent in his recent series Cradle to Grave - the family came from Bermondsey laugh

Disastrous

10,090 posts

218 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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RichB said:
Disastrous said:
...Out of interest, is it fair to say that Southerners generally have a fking tin ear when it comes to accents other than theirs? Not meant as having a go <clip>...
But I will do anyway! rofl

p.s. I guess it's no different to northerners thinking all Londoners are Cockneys wink Remember the arguments on here about Peter Kay not having a good cockney accent in his recent series Cradle to Grave - the family came from Bermondsey laugh
laugh genuine curiosity!

I've not seen the Peter Kay thing but I guess he has such a strong northern accent, he'd struggle to do another. In fairness, maybe it's a strength-of-regional-accent thing? The stronger your accent, the harder to mimic or understand another?

It's reminded of a London story though - I was at a shop in one of the stations and was being served by an African bloke. His English was pretty non-existent and he couldn't seem to make out a word I was saying (I'm Scottish but non-regional really-think Ewan McGregor more than Rab C, I hope!) and despite my best efforts to slow down my order and enunciate ev-eh-ry sing-gle syl-ah-ble, we were getting nowhere.

In the end I had a brainwave and tried again at high speed in my worst dick van dyke cockney. Nailed it first time. I guess he was just massively used to hearing London English (despite what a st impression of it I do).

Goaty Bill 2

3,422 posts

120 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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227bhp said:
'Practice' makes perfect.
My tongue was indeed in my cheek a little, but you haven't answered my question; "In what area of the UK is House pronounced with the H still attached?" It would be somewhere with no Council estates, lots of Range Rovers, private schools, earnings of £250k+ PA or maybe people with Tartan skirts and ginger hair, but then that lot add 'H' where it hwas never intended.
I'm sure I could have carried on with my list of areas that don't pronounce the H too, but I feel you are incorrect above, you see, some would say 'A 'ouse', never 'a house', but more often 'an 'ouse'.

Just when you think you've got a handle on this lingo malarky someone throws in a curveball. I went out with a girl from the North East for instance, brought up there, parents were from there, studied there till leaving when she'd graduated before moving away.
She had no regional accent. Nada, nothing, none whatsoever. What had happened to it I have no idea (neither did she, or wasn't admitting it) both her parents spoke like Sanddancers, but she didn't, not even when she was pissed which is when most of us revert back to type.

And what about those white Brits who wake up speaking in a Chinese accent? Google it, it's 'sadly funny'. wink

https://www.google.com.eg/webhp?sourceid=chrome-in...
Practice does me no good whatsoever with that damned word.
The great secret to not dropping one's 'h's is to grow up where absolutely no one does, but that is no where near the UK.

In general, in my experience, home counties south and west of London, I don't hear 'an ouse'.
Surrey, Hampshire seems to be quite consistent that way, as well as Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire and Suffolk.
Then again, there are certainly those that drop their 'h's on some words, and one probably doesn't say "a house" (or "an ouse") all that often in general conversation.


I had seen the interview with the woman a while ago.
You certainly wouldn't feel comfortable taking her into a Chinese takeaway or restaurant.
The looks I would expect from other customers would be difficult to bear.

RichB

51,717 posts

285 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Disastrous said:
RichB said:
Disastrous said:
...Out of interest, is it fair to say that Southerners generally have a fking tin ear when it comes to accents other than theirs? Not meant as having a go <clip>...
But I will do anyway! rofl

p.s. I guess it's no different to northerners thinking all Londoners are Cockneys wink Remember the arguments on here about Peter Kay not having a good cockney accent in his recent series Cradle to Grave - the family came from Bermondsey laugh
laugh genuine curiosity!

I've not seen the Peter Kay thing but I guess he has such a strong northern accent, he'd struggle to do another. In fairness, maybe it's a strength-of-regional-accent thing? The stronger your accent, the harder to mimic or understand another?
No, in fact Peter Kay had a pretty good accent but there raged an argument on Pistonheads (when isn't there one?) with people saying he was crap and didn't sound the least bit Cocker-knee. What amused me was that i) Danny Baker's family (Kay played Baker's father) were from Bermondsey so not cockneys and ii) East End London accent is noticeably different to the south London accent. I had a good friend known as Mickey Drippin', he was from Bermondsey and I would say Peter Kay's accent was pretty well spot on. smile

Disastrous

10,090 posts

218 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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RichB said:
Disastrous said:
RichB said:
Disastrous said:
...Out of interest, is it fair to say that Southerners generally have a fking tin ear when it comes to accents other than theirs? Not meant as having a go <clip>...
But I will do anyway! rofl

p.s. I guess it's no different to northerners thinking all Londoners are Cockneys wink Remember the arguments on here about Peter Kay not having a good cockney accent in his recent series Cradle to Grave - the family came from Bermondsey laugh
laugh genuine curiosity!

I've not seen the Peter Kay thing but I guess he has such a strong northern accent, he'd struggle to do another. In fairness, maybe it's a strength-of-regional-accent thing? The stronger your accent, the harder to mimic or understand another?
No, in fact Peter Kay had a pretty good accent but there raged an argument on Pistonheads (when isn't there one?) with people saying he was crap and didn't sound the least bit Cocker-knee. What amused me was that i) Danny Baker's family (Kay played Baker's father) were from Bermondsey so not cockneys and ii) East End London accent is noticeably different to the south London accent. I had a good friend known as Mickey Drippin', he was from Bermondsey and I would say Peter Kay's accent was pretty well spot on. smile
I'm not up on my London geography enough to know which area I am hearing but I'd say I can definitely hear a difference, if that makes sense? Good for Peter Kay though - I'd have bet money on him sounding like himself doing a bad impression!

stanthebiker

539 posts

186 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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FRA53R said:
2. Kwassont when pronouncing croissant.

I believe the bdisation of croissant to be laziness, similar to saying sammich.
It's french you 'tard! rofl

FRA53R

1,077 posts

169 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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stanthebiker said:
It's french you 'tard! rofl
If you'd been paying any attention we've already been through the correct pronunciation and I have admitted my mistake.

I always thought that the r was pronounced softly, however we've established that it isn't. Try to catch up before putting your 2p in.