Stop saying "Demond" !!!
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turbobloke said:
DonkeyApple said:
Don't forget that many American terms are the correct older English ones and that it is our form of English that has changed over the last century or so. For many examples the American English is purer to the original Anglo Saxon especially as they have not had the heavy influence of our European neighbours or the social stigma that saw the Victorians desire the aristocratic Norman version of a word over the peasantry's Anglo Saxon.
Be that as it may, times move on 
and pronunciation moves with them!What was the Anglo-Saxon for selfie
And it's not just pronounciations that evolve but the actual meanings and spellings. All dependent on the geography and the culture.
Americans don't speak English incorrectly. They speak English perfectly it's just that their English dates from 300 years ago and has evolved differently to that of the English spoken in England.
DonkeyApple said:
Don't forget that many American terms are the correct older English ones and that it is our form of English that has changed over the last century or so. For many examples the American English is purer to the original Anglo Saxon especially as they have not had the heavy influence of our European neighbours or the social stigma that saw the Victorians desire the aristocratic Norman version of a word over the peasantry's Anglo Saxon. There are parts of the Deep South in America where the English spoken today is the closest surviving relation to the English spoken in England several hundred years ago!
So words like 'sidewalk' are far more correct English than our choice of the French derived 'pavement' for example.
This is absolutely true, I just usually avoid bothering to explain it on threads like this because I've got sick of it.So words like 'sidewalk' are far more correct English than our choice of the French derived 'pavement' for example.
You can particularly see the difference in a lot of grammatical structures (the use of the more complicated tenses are far more common in Britain than North America). Some of the tenses that are relatively common in spoken and written English in the UK almost don't exist in North American English dialects.
Jimmy Recard said:
DonkeyApple said:
Don't forget that many American terms are the correct older English ones and that it is our form of English that has changed over the last century or so. For many examples the American English is purer to the original Anglo Saxon especially as they have not had the heavy influence of our European neighbours or the social stigma that saw the Victorians desire the aristocratic Norman version of a word over the peasantry's Anglo Saxon. There are parts of the Deep South in America where the English spoken today is the closest surviving relation to the English spoken in England several hundred years ago!
So words like 'sidewalk' are far more correct English than our choice of the French derived 'pavement' for example.
This is absolutely true, I just usually avoid bothering to explain it on threads like this because I've got sick of it.So words like 'sidewalk' are far more correct English than our choice of the French derived 'pavement' for example.
turbobloke said:
That's OK for alternative words, how is it relevant when DA was replying to comments about pronunciation of words in a thread about how words are pronounced? Bit of a tangent then, but interesting all the same.
The post before mine was mostly listing different words. DonkeyApple said:
turbobloke said:
That's OK for alternative words, how is it relevant when DA was replying to comments about pronunciation of words in a thread about how words are pronounced? Bit of a tangent then, but interesting all the same.
The post before mine was mostly listing different words. Since then it got a bit serious
but it's only the internet so we'll get by turbobloke said:
DonkeyApple said:
turbobloke said:
That's OK for alternative words, how is it relevant when DA was replying to comments about pronunciation of words in a thread about how words are pronounced? Bit of a tangent then, but interesting all the same.
The post before mine was mostly listing different words. Since then it got a bit serious
but it's only the internet so we'll get by If someone doesn't add smilies does that now mean it's all deadly serious and offensive?
DonkeyApple said:
turbobloke said:
DonkeyApple said:
turbobloke said:
That's OK for alternative words, how is it relevant when DA was replying to comments about pronunciation of words in a thread about how words are pronounced? Bit of a tangent then, but interesting all the same.
The post before mine was mostly listing different words. Since then it got a bit serious
but it's only the internet so we'll get by If someone doesn't add smilies does that now mean it's all deadly serious and offensive?
Hang on....probably
DonkeyApple said:
It doesn't move on but evolve and it evolves differently in different places and neither evolutions are wrong, just different.
And it's not just pronounciations that evolve but the actual meanings and spellings. All dependent on the geography and the culture.
Americans don't speak English incorrectly. They speak English perfectly it's just that their English dates from 300 years ago and has evolved differently to that of the English spoken in England.
Exactly.And it's not just pronounciations that evolve but the actual meanings and spellings. All dependent on the geography and the culture.
Americans don't speak English incorrectly. They speak English perfectly it's just that their English dates from 300 years ago and has evolved differently to that of the English spoken in England.
I have no problems with Americanisms - as long as they stay in America.
Dagnir said:
robsa said:
'you have another thing coming' instead of 'you have another think coming'
You're going to have to explain that one, I think."Oh, I thought it was supposed to do that"
Then you can be told that if you thought that, you have another think coming... that is, you need to keep thinking as your original thought is mistaken.
Sorry it's a graun link: https://www.theguardian.com/media/mind-your-langua...
turbobloke said:
That's OK for alternative words, how is it relevant when DA was replying to comments about pronunciation of words i.e. the same word, in a thread about how words are pronounced? Bit of a tangent then, but interesting all the same.
Just giving some examples of how the same language can evolve separately. It's a topic of interest to me And when I said I was sick of it, I was thinking of one particular thread on another forum where the attitude was "We are English, the language is English, therefore we are always right about English as a language."
I'm not sick of discussing it here, I just didn't provide the context (I can be annoying like that when I'm thinking of what I'm going to say when I'm saying something else entirely)
DonkeyApple said:
Don't forget that many American terms are the correct older English ones and that it is our form of English that has changed over the last century or so. For many examples the American English is purer to the original Anglo Saxon especially as they have not had the heavy influence of our European neighbours or the social stigma that saw the Victorians desire the aristocratic Norman version of a word over the peasantry's Anglo Saxon. There are parts of the Deep South in America where the English spoken today is the closest surviving relation to the English spoken in England several hundred years ago!
So words like 'sidewalk' are far more correct English than our choice of the French derived 'pavement' for example.
Donkey Apple speak much sense. Also, 'Fall' not Autumn, Diaper instead of nappy, trash not rubbish are all old English words carried over the Atlantic and kept, for example.So words like 'sidewalk' are far more correct English than our choice of the French derived 'pavement' for example.
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